[AT] Haswell Refresh comes with improved TIM, unlocked Pentium due mid-2014

[Sweepr]

Mod Edit: This is no longer a leak. The official articles covering this at AT and other sites have since gone up.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7875/new-unlocked-iris-pro-cpu-broadwell

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7874/haswelle-8-cores-x99-ddr4

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7873/new-haswell-k-overclocking-enhancements

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7872/unlocked-haswell-pentium-due-mid2014

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Interesting leak by VR-Zone: http://chinese.vr-zone.com/105547/i...on-is-fourth-intel-core-unlocked-cpu-03202014

New Haswell chip codenamed ''Devil's Canyon''
- Improved Thermal Interface Material
- Updated packaging material

Unlocked version of Pentium coming mid-2014 (first <$200 unlocked Intel desktop chip since LGA1156 days)
Iris Pro version of Broadwell will be launched as a Desktop socketed unlocked model (LGA1150)

 

[OCGuy]

Good news!!

 

[toyota]

well ****. figures since I just went with a 4770k.

I wonder why they jacked us around with crappy TIM on Ivy and Haswell.

 

[VirtualLarry]

LOL. VR-Zone? And somehow, you believe these slides to be legit?

Edit: First of all, what major corp would name their premiere product with "Devil" anywhere in their name.

Second, what is Intel going to do with their i3 brand and line of chips, if they release unlocked Pentium chips? They might as well cancel i3 entirely, as no-one in their right mind would choose a 3.4Ghz locked dual-core (even with HyperThreading), over a (potentially) 5Ghz dual-core (without HT).

 

[Sweepr]

Good news!!

Indeed. A dual-core Haswell for a little bit over $100 that OCs past 4.5GHz would be a killer little chip. Unmatched ST performance on the cheap.

Also, GT3/GT3e chips will be far more ''mainstream'' starting with Broadwell. An i5 Broadwell-K chip could bring the best of both worlds, great CPU+iGPU performance for ~$230, probably puts GT2 Haswell to shame when it comes to graphics.

 

[Sweepr]

LOL. VR-Zone? And somehow, you believe these slides to be legit?

They did actually got a lot of things right in the past, so yes, I do.

Second, what is Intel going to do with their i3 brand and line of chips, if they release unlocked Pentium chips? They might as well cancel i3 entirely, as no-one in their right mind would choose a 3.4Ghz locked dual-core (even with HyperThreading), over a (potentially) 5Ghz dual-core (without HT).

You'll still need a more expensive board, and dont forget not everybody overclocks.

 

[Arachnotronic]

These slides are legitimate.

 

[OCGuy]

LOL. VR-Zone? And somehow, you believe these slides to be legit?

Edit: First of all, what major corp would name their premiere product with "Devil" anywhere in their name.

Second, what is Intel going to do with their i3 brand and line of chips, if they release unlocked Pentium chips? They might as well cancel i3 entirely, as no-one in their right mind would choose a 3.4Ghz locked dual-core (even with HyperThreading), over a (potentially) 5Ghz dual-core (without HT).

Dirt Devil?

Devil's food? (cake)

Red Devil fireworks?

New Jersey Devils?



Is far as cancelling i3, I think you are giving far too much weight to how prevalent OCing is in the real world. OEMs, business, and average home users certainly don't know or care about the differences.

Also, Pentiums are usually pretty weak, with clock-speed not being the only shortcoming.

VR Zone does post fake slides, but they are usually easy to pick out.

 

[toyota]

I am thinking the improved TIM may not help much as the Ivy Bridge E cpus did not oc all that good either.

and an unlocked low end dual core seems stupid as most newer games need 4 cores.

 

[bullzz]

SFF pre built systems will still use i3s over unlocked pentiums

and I am going to guess devlis canyon is an actual place. like their other products. atleast it is better than broxton

 

[jpiniero]

I could believe it. After all, it's believed that Brian Kasnich (Intel's new CEO) is the one who pushed for Broadwell-K, and they did specifically mention enthusiasts as a bright spot in their last earnings conference call. Even though the TIM likely won't do much for the actual clock speeds people hit, it might be part of their marketing effort.

I'll say the Pentium unlocked would be about 110-120. Not sure what the use case is for it, but I'm sure it will annoy AMD, and that might be enough for Intel.

An i5 Broadwell-K chip could bring the best of both worlds, great CPU+iGPU performance for $230, probably puts GT2 Haswell to shame.

Ah that's the rub. I've been predicting the cost will be more than that.

 

[burninatortech4]

An unlocked pentium (with improved refresh iGPU) at 110-120 is a kick in the balls to AMD's current product offerings.

 

[bullzz]

@burninatortech4 - im guessing that pentium part is a haswell one. so its the same igpu

 

[podspi]

An unlocked pentium (with improved refresh iGPU) at 110-120 is a kick in the balls to AMD's current product offerings.

Yep. Also keep in mind:


1) Forget not everyone, MOST people do not overclock.

2) This is a Pentium, NOT a premier product. It will probably have a limited instruction set and no hyperthreading.


I'd say it is pretty clever. How many enthusiasts are really going to go for a dual-core as their main PC? I'd wager not many. How many enthusiasts would buy a special-edition unlocked Pentium celebrating two decades of the name created because Intel couldn't trademark 586 :sneaky:, just to play around with and relive the glory days of taking a cheap chip and OCing the heck out of it?


I know I would (will?) if this is true.

 

[nwo]

If an unlocked Pentium is going for 110-120, then where does that put the i3 at???

 

[Sweepr]

Ah that's the rub. I've been predicting the cost will be more than that.

Maybe, but its not impossible. The cheapest GT3e Core i5 for desktops (BGA part) is pretty close to Haswell-K's price: $255 Core i5-4570R

 

[bullzz]

@podspi - clearly this is not for enthusiasts. i think intel is aiming at self built low end systems that usually use say a6 apu

 

[jpiniero]

If an unlocked Pentium is going for 110-120, then where does that put the i3 at???

I'd assume it would not have hyperthreading or AVX like the regular pentiums.

 

[nwo]

I'd assume it would not have hyperthreading or AVX like the regular pentiums.

Regular Pentiums do not have hyperthreading. i3s have hyper threading.

 

[PliotronX]

well ****. figures since I just went with a 4770k.

I wonder why they jacked us around with crappy TIM on Ivy and Haswell.

It's a really easy fix even with solder, the stock TIM does its job at stock frequency which is all they are concerned with. No matter the TIM, the IHS is always going to negatively affect temperatures (exception being when using HDT coolers). I lapped my Q6600 and TRUE to 2000 grit which dropped temperatures but only after going baredie that involved a blowtorch did it hit the clock and voltage goal I sought.

 

[cbn]

I like the idea of the unlocked dual core.

A couple of concerns I have:

1. Price of the processor.

2. Price of the motherboards needed to overclock. (With the typical Z87 provisioned for overclocking quad core, gear like VRMs will be overkill since overclocking a dual core will require only half the energy in a worst case scenario.). IMO a cheaper, lighter duty board for either heavy overclocking dual core or very light overclocking quad core would be nice to have.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Great, I didn't save the link where it said the Haswell refresh was going to require a new motherboard. In any case, I'm still confused. But 8 series chipset support sounds good to me. I only plan on buying a CPU either in May, June or July.

 

[mikk]

LOL. VR-Zone? And somehow, you believe these slides to be legit?

Chinese vr-zone ist the best source regarding Intel leaks in the web.

 

[cbn]

Second, what is Intel going to do with their i3 brand and line of chips, if they release unlocked Pentium chips? They might as well cancel i3 entirely, as no-one in their right mind would choose a 3.4Ghz locked dual-core (even with HyperThreading), over a (potentially) 5Ghz dual-core (without HT).

The i3 desktop processors will still find a home in Prebuilt desktops.

Looking forward, the question I have for DIY:

What will end up as better bang for the buck: A Core i3 plus cheap H81 board or a unlocked Pentium and a Z87 board?

 

[tolis626]

What I don't understand is, will one need a Z97 mobo to be able to use a Haswell Refresh or Broadwell-k? I mean, they use the same socket and all, and I fail to see why the chipset would render the CPU incompatible with current Z87 mobos. That way, when I buy my new rig in April, I can go with the 4670k and then do a pseudo-upgrade if I can sell my 4670k. Buying a 4770k and having to delid it only for it to be surpassed shortly after seems bad. Real bad.

It's a really easy fix even with solder, the stock TIM does its job at stock frequency which is all they are concerned with. No matter the TIM, the IHS is always going to negatively affect temperatures (exception being when using HDT coolers). I lapped my Q6600 and TRUE to 2000 grit which dropped temperatures but only after going baredie that involved a blowtorch did it hit the clock and voltage goal I sought.

I lost you. Did you solder something on the die?