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(AT) First TSMC 20nm product is QQ modem

at qualcomm's analyst day nov 2013 they stated they were coming to market with this modem first and a 20nm soc next year. they did mention that initial yields were the primary factor. hence small die basebands come first. is this phone only in south korea?
 
liahos1 said:
at qualcomm's analyst day nov 2013 they stated they were coming to market with this modem first and a 20nm soc next year. they did mention that initial yields were the primary factor. hence small die basebands come first. is this phone only in south korea?
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Yes, only in South Korea.
 
It should be noted that the source article does not say what Foundry it is fabricated. Nor any other subsequent other source declare TSMC.

Qualcomm is actually fabricating the modem and it's SoC at both TSMC and GlobalFoundries. http://in.linkedin.com/pub/jagannatha-ramanna/5/b5a/b6

Also; http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bart-mcdaniel/8/204/547
Embedded Voltage Regulator

It is a two-layer method, first set is LDO linear regulators then the second set which is switching regulators. This technology can be in both the modem and SoC.
 
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NostaSeronx said:
It should be noted that the source article does not say what Foundry it is fabricated. Nor any other subsequent other source declare TSMC.

Qualcomm is actually fabricating the modem and it's SoC at both TSMC and GlobalFoundries. http://in.linkedin.com/pub/jagannatha-ramanna/5/b5a/b6

Also; http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bart-mcdaniel/8/204/547
Embedded Voltage Regulator

It is a two-layer method, first set is LDO linear regulators then the second set which is switching regulators. This technology can be in both the modem and SoC.
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"Currently working on migrating the 20nm TSMC design to Global Foundries design"

Just confirms its at tsmc first. But yeaa. They are probably not 2 years behind this time thats why i wrote 14/16nm. I was nice 🙂
 
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So are these chips on the market now already? Or when will they be?

Will TSMC have chips on a later node than Intel (20 nm for TSMC vs 22 nm for Intel)?
 
Fjodor2001 said:
So are these chips on the market now already? Or when will they be?

Will TSMC have chips on a later node than Intel (20 nm for TSMC vs 22 nm for Intel)?
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20nm isn't really a "later node". It depends.

20nm has a higher density, but it lacks FinFETs, so performance and power are definitely worse. The first 20nm SoCs will launch in 2015 anyway. By then, 14nm will be widespread.
 
krumme said:
Wrapped in a Korean Samsung S5 LTE cat 6.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8190/...galaxy-s5-broadband-ltea-first-to-s805mdm9x35

"The MDM9x35 modem also means that category 6 LTE is supported for speeds of up to 300 Mbps. The MDM9x35 is also the first 20nm SOC part shipping from TSMC, which bodes well for 20nm SoCs in the near future"

That probably means 14/16nm in a year (20nm density). Yes - bodes well.
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Nice. It's about time. It'll be interesting to see how many companies and what products move over to 20nm, and which stay on 28nm.
 
Homeles said:
Nice. It's about time. It'll be interesting to see how many companies and what products move over to 20nm, and which stay on 28nm.
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I actually think the only place the new process tech is really needed is for 4k h265 encoding and superior digital stabilization in camera and phones. And i dont know how much of that speedup is dsp design and programming.

I think we will see a slow onset of 20nm and lot will just wait at least another year for 14/16nm. We already have production of a57 on the finfets so its one year max for the soc here. but what is demand?

Imho we will see Intel dump yet more atom on the market. It looks like we have excess capacity all over. The process cost is just to high for the user benefits.

The interesting hardware technology is sensors and screens and more dsp power. So yeaa its about time but i guess there is a reason for it.

Now take eg Sony new curved sensor at 1/1.7 or something like that. Thats surely meant for phones. You can put a simple small and highly effective optics in front of it, pair it with a powerfull dsp, and in normal lightning you will have something that aproaches broadcast video quality in a phone. Thats a visual difference. Not like 8 super fast core on fin whatever fet.

Perhaps gaming demand can also move customers towards new process tech.
 
krumme said:
I think we will see a slow onset of 20nm and lot will just wait at least another year for 14/16nm. We already have production of a57 on the finfets so its one year max for the soc here. but what is demand?
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Which production of A57 on the finfets are you referring to exactly? Because the only such announcement I recall was the typical ARM + TSMC joint press release of a tape-out a bit over a year ago which would imply that actual product is still 1.5-2 years out. (That's based on the historical delta between those tape-out joint press releases and actual SoC availability.)
 
Khato said:
Which production of A57 on the finfets are you referring to exactly? Because the only such announcement I recall was the typical ARM + TSMC joint press release of a tape-out a bit over a year ago which would imply that actual product is still 1.5-2 years out. (That's based on the historical delta between those tape-out joint press releases and actual SoC availability.)
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I could understand why Intel marketing singled TSMC out with its density claims since May 2013. However, the Intel crowed does not seem to be aware that Samsung 14nm FinFET is ahead of TSMC 16nm FinFET. As such, Samsung demonstrated a 14nm FinFET SoC reference board during DAC 2014:

www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140602005875/en/Samsung’s-14nm-FinFET-Process-Technology-Ecosystem-Solidly

You provided the link for the Intel marketing slides a while back. When, if at all, Intel explains the details of its 14nm node, be sure to revisit your under 0.05 um^2 SRAM cell size claim.

As for details, a few tidbits regarding the 14nm process have been publicly disclosed in this presentation -

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...d94ca36f56c/Jefferies_May_2013_Holt_Final.pdf

- but that's about it. The area scaling chart (page 13) implies that Intel's 14nm should see an SRAM cell size somewhere under 0.05 um^2.
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carop said:
I could understand why Intel marketing singled TSMC out with its density claims since May 2013. However, the Intel crowed does not seem to be aware that Samsung 14nm FinFET is ahead of TSMC 16nm FinFET. As such, Samsung demonstrated a 14nm FinFET SoC reference board during DAC 2014:

www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140602005875/en/Samsung’s-14nm-FinFET-Process-Technology-Ecosystem-Solidly
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Its just a PDK as far as I can tell from that article. Not actually working 14nm. From the look of that article, Samsungs 14(20)nm FF is still 2-2½ years down the road. But that shouldnt be suprising considering the lack of 20nm products already.
 
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ShintaiDK said:
Its just a PDK as far as I can tell from that article. Not actually working 14nm. From the look of that article, Samsungs 14(20)nm FF is still 2-2½ years down the road. But that shouldnt be suprising considering the lack of 20nm products already.
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According to Phil Dworsky of Synopsys it was a full product demo:

Thanks for the writeup, Lori Kate! In addition to all the great 14nm FinFET content (including the cool 14nm full product demo by Kelvin Low), the panel also covered Samsung 28nm enablement that's already in place for both bulk and FD-SOI process technologies. Kelvin noted that 28nm is an ideal target for IoT devices, with a great combination of power/performance efficiency and cost effectiveness.
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http://community.arm.com/groups/soc-implementation/blog/2014/06/10/dac-breakfast-14nm-is-real-and-ready-for-you
 
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