But ... it's on another tier according to a couple people.
That chart has no meaning imo and doesn't prove that it's on another tier. They don't even mention how they got it on a different tier, it's likely based on pricing and not on performance going by computerbase & TPU's numbers. Actually it
is based on price all the recommendations are if you are spending
X buy
this card.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GTX_780_Ti_Jet_Stream/24.html
(not directed at you blastingcap)
This whole discussion is ridiculous anyway. There is no magic in NV's software that is worth a premium for most people. My last major driver issues I had were in the GTX 5xx series (artifacting/etc. known bug BF3) but this generation has been fine on both sides. The 780 ti is marginally faster, however using some temporary price gouging doesn't sway it much. The 290x and 780 ti are pretty close, so even at $630 (ridiculous gouging) the performance / $ isn't even out of line with the absurdly priced 780 ti, the premise for this discussion appears to be nothing more than trying to justify purchases/brands and uses subjective data since the objective data doesn't align.
Trying to justify the price with subjective statements "experience" etc. proves there is no basis to the argument. Utilizing price gouging which isn't even high enough to throw it out of the price/performance curve is also a pretty weak argument without merit. Trying to justify it based off of highly overclocked models vs. reference etc. all undermine the argument.
The highly overclocked ti's are good, no doubt about it, the arguments used to try justify it however are not.
I was guessing what Balla might have been talking about in regards to "tier." I guess Tom's would place it on a higher tier. And that's supposed to be a performance tier, not a price tier, btw.
Balla sometimes doesn't give cites, like when he claimed GCN was 5% of the market and made me pull Steam Hardware Survey stats to verify (he was actually right about that 5% figure based on SHS, but I believe SHS overcounts iGPUs/APUs that aren't being used).
Personally I'm a "big tier" person like I described in my previous post--I *would* group stuff like GTX670/680 together, or 290/290X together. Hell I would go even bigger tier than that. I like, nasty, filthy leaps in performance from one tier to another, like 25%+. And I would include OC vs OC because I don't run @ stock.
NV doesn't compete on price. We all know that already, let's stop beating a dead horse. NV is not for people who want highest bang for the buck--those people buy AMD GPUs and Android smartphones rather than NV GPUs and Apple iPhones. NV's CEO has publicly said he wants his company to be more like Apple (premium products, premium price), and I think he was dead serious about it.
Like it or not, some people actually value stuff like G-Sync, Shadowplay, PhysX, SHIELD, game bundles, etc. even if you don't. And by "you" I don't mean Wanderer, I mean "AMD fans." And the iPhone/NV buyer who wants things to "just work" is less likely to want to mess around with mining.
One thing I've noticed is that most pretty women use iPhones, at least where I live. The ratio has got to be at least 5:1 iPhone:everything-else (Android, Windows Phone, Blackberry, etc.). They don't care if they're getting less bang for the buck, they just want things to work, and they can afford it, either from their own jobs or because they have rich boyfriends or husbands. They don't care about price, and you can talk all day long about bang for the buck but at the end of the day they want something that "just works" and has a great camera and is the same brand as what all their other pretty girlfriends carry. You can cry about price/perf and unlocked phones and getting out of the walled garden all day long, and they don't give a crap. Same thing with NV vs AMD. If you want to be like the Android fanboy attempting to convince the pretty lady that she should switch from Apple, good luck.
Edited to add: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that all NV buyers are girls--and even if they were, there would be nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying that there will always be that hard core of NV fans that simply don't care about your pro-AMD arguments, period, because of a bad AMD driver or whatever from years ago. They don't care that AMD drivers are better now. There are also people who care about NV exclusives like PhysX, adaptive VSync, CUDA, G-Sync, ShadowPlay, GeForce Experience, etc. They care a lot more than you might think. It took years for AMD to figure this out, and I think that's why AMD is also starting to offer exclusives like TrueAudio and Mantle (though technically Mantle is not an exclusive, AMD would be stupid not to optimize it for GCN). NV's rep for quality is a huge asset as well, bumpgate aside... the market for people who want things that "just work" is enormous, as evidenced by how the total console market is much bigger than the PC gaming market, and by how Steam makes it all too easy to buy and run games fully patched and updated and with a Friends chat system already in place--to the point where many people with DRM-free games actually want to add them to Steam anyway for convenience. Lastly, NV's sheer market share is an asset. If most of your friends are on NV, that's going to create peer pressure to buy NV too. When my gf was in the market for her first smartphone years ago, it took everything I had to convince her to NOT get an iPhone like most of her friends already had. (We both went Android because Verizon was going to stop offering unlimited 4G LTE really soon, and the only 4G LTE phones available were Android phones. We are now both grandfathered in. If it weren't for the Unlimited 4G LTE issue, I may have gotten an iPhone instead.)
If you think about it, many people buy things NOT strictly on bang for the buck. Many people do buy cars based on price vs consumer ratings for miles per gallon, horsepower, etc. but many people give heavy weight to things like styling, sex appeal, reliability, country of manufacture, etc. as well. Or like cigarettes, chewing gum, or even soda. Pepsi outperforms Coke on taste tests but Coke is by FAR more popular because Coke's "lifestyle" advertisements are so good, and there is so much inertia and market share behind Coke.
So guys, lighten up and try to see the world from someone else's perspective, even if you disagree with them.
Sorry for the wordiness.
Can we talk about the ASUS card now? I'm particularly excited about the hybrid fan on the back.
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