Asscough Busted

[Perknose]

From the article:

A U.S. Appeals Court on Wednesday ruled that a Bush administration directive seeking to stop Oregon doctors from helping terminally ill patients commit suicide was unlawful and unenforceable.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals' decision said U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft overstepped his authority when he ordered Oregon doctors to ignore a state law that allowed them to prescribe lethal doses of medication to terminally ill patients who wished to die.

"The attorney general's unilateral attempt to regulate general medical practices historically entrusted to state lawmakers interferes with the democratic debate about physician-assisted suicide and far exceeds the scope of his authority under federal law," the court said in a 2-1 opinion.

Amen!

 

[Fausto]

Good. It's not anyone's business to interfere if a terminally ill person wants to die with dignity. :|

 

[shiner]

The 9th Circuit huh? Yeah that decision will last. :roll:

 

[Zephyr106]

Doesn't this aversion to suicide/euthanasia come from Christian beliefs? What other reasons are there? So are laws against it a case of one religion pushing its views on others not of that religion?

Zephyr

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The 9th Circuit huh? Yeah that decision will last. :roll:

This one will. The rational that Ashcroft used was incredibly contorted. You recall that he never said that the law was illegal, just that is violated federal regulations regarding controlled substances, and therefore he could act against physicians who participated. The only problem is that the law nor the regs. deal with this issue, and only by the wildest interpretation of the law could he do this. The court rightfully called him on it. The dissenting opinon is equivalent to saying that the AG has the right to interpret a regulation virtually any way he chooses. Well if a reg were to say that public drinking water must meet minimum standards, and that were used by the AG to ban faucets, it would be a farce. How could he do that? Well, you don't know what the water quality coming out of a faucet is like. It may have been contaminated. Therefore, faucets may provide a means to access water that does not meet the standard, therefore faucets are illegal. Ashcrofts twisted contortions of the regs were no more outrageous than this.

No matter what side of the issue you come down on, the basis for action by Ashcroft was seriously flawed.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Oh, and I don't see how Ashcroft was "busted":roll:

BTW -the USSC has ruled there is no Constitutional right to doctor-assisted suicide.

CkG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Oh, and I don't see how Ashcroft was "busted":roll:

BTW -the USSC has ruled there is no Constitutional right to doctor-assisted suicide.

CkG

There is no grounds for the interference from Ashcroft either. Medicine is regulated by the state boards who derive their power from the state, not the federal government. Ashcroft cannot act because he doesnt like something. He has to follow the law.

Write Congress.

 

[SuperTool]

Every assisted suicide is another person that Ashcroft can lose to. No wonder he is against it

 

[Bowmaster]

"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Here's my quote: "The risks and consequences of having Asscough (LOL) as U.S. Attorney General are simply too great"

 

[Klixxer]

I am pro choice on everything, including ending your own life, your life, your choice.

THAT is freedom.

 

[Painman]

"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

The land of the somewhat free? If you do not have freedom of your own body, then what freedom do you have?

Suicide is illegal as it is, in the US, assisted or otherwise.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

The land of the somewhat free? If you do not have freedom of your own body, then what freedom do you have?

Suicide is illegal as it is, in the US, assisted or otherwise.

"there is a significant distinction between assisting in death and allowing death to occur. Not only is this an important legal distinction, it is also a distinction of deep moral and ethical implications."

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

Well, unless you have a good reason (other than you "just feel it") then oh well. I'm glad they overruled Asscrack -- he deserved that loss. Chalk up another victory for freedom!

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

The land of the somewhat free? If you do not have freedom of your own body, then what freedom do you have?

Suicide is illegal as it is, in the US, assisted or otherwise.

"there is a significant distinction between assisting in death and allowing death to occur. Not only is this an important legal distinction, it is also a distinction of deep moral and ethical implications."

CkG

So the government hold morals high and get's to decide over your life? Yup, that is freedom in a box.

Suicide is still illegal which means that you do not have that choice over your OWN life, now that is not freedom in any shape or form.

Get rid of the stupidity or change the national anthem to the land of the somewhat free (if the government agrees).

I see all of the life and death matters as individual choices, pro choice all the way, pro freedom all the way, pro limits to freedom, eh, no, that is Bush's agenda and if he had his way, i could not post this.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

The land of the somewhat free? If you do not have freedom of your own body, then what freedom do you have?

Suicide is illegal as it is, in the US, assisted or otherwise.

"there is a significant distinction between assisting in death and allowing death to occur. Not only is this an important legal distinction, it is also a distinction of deep moral and ethical implications."

CkG

So is this where someone is supposed to rant about Ashcroft or Bush, and then you spring the fact Clinton said this?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

The land of the somewhat free? If you do not have freedom of your own body, then what freedom do you have?

Suicide is illegal as it is, in the US, assisted or otherwise.

"there is a significant distinction between assisting in death and allowing death to occur. Not only is this an important legal distinction, it is also a distinction of deep moral and ethical implications."

CkG

So is this where someone is supposed to rant about Ashcroft or Bush, and then you spring the fact Clinton said this?

It's alway interesting to see how bent out of shape people get about Bush and his Administration but don't realize that the previous President and/or Administration held similar views.

President(Clinton) on Court Decision on Physician-Assisted Suicide

Seems Winston was paying attention during the Clinton years...or googled it due to my use of quotes

CkG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

The land of the somewhat free? If you do not have freedom of your own body, then what freedom do you have?

Suicide is illegal as it is, in the US, assisted or otherwise.

"there is a significant distinction between assisting in death and allowing death to occur. Not only is this an important legal distinction, it is also a distinction of deep moral and ethical implications."

CkG

So is this where someone is supposed to rant about Ashcroft or Bush, and then you spring the fact Clinton said this?

It's alway interesting to see how bent out of shape people get about Bush and his Administration but don't realize that the previous President and Administration held similar views.

President(Clinton) on Court Decision on Physician-Assisted Suicide

Seems Winston was paying attention during the Clinton years...or googled it due to my use of quotes

CkG

Both to be honest. I thought I recognized the speech from Clinton's days, but couldnt remember the whole thing.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Both to be honest. I thought I recognized the speech from Clinton's days, but couldnt remember the whole thing.

Same here. I remember debating this issue with a libbie freind of mine when it went down. He didn't like it when Clinton said that. I too had to google to remember the exact quotes.

CkG

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Painman
"The risks and consequences of physician-assisted suicide are simply too great"

Yeah... it might... KILL SOMEONE! OH TEH NOES!!! :roll:

"I have always expressed my strong opposition to physician-assisted suicide. I believe that it is wrong and have always believed it to be wrong."

CkG

The land of the somewhat free? If you do not have freedom of your own body, then what freedom do you have?

Suicide is illegal as it is, in the US, assisted or otherwise.

"there is a significant distinction between assisting in death and allowing death to occur. Not only is this an important legal distinction, it is also a distinction of deep moral and ethical implications."

CkG

So is this where someone is supposed to rant about Ashcroft or Bush, and then you spring the fact Clinton said this?

It's alway interesting to see how bent out of shape people get about Bush and his Administration but don't realize that the previous President and Administration held similar views.

President(Clinton) on Court Decision on Physician-Assisted Suicide

Seems Winston was paying attention during the Clinton years...or googled it due to my use of quotes

CkG

LOL, i really couldn't care less about the admin, it is what it is, i can not vote and i have no wish to do so, but my point still stands.

My advice to you would be to not vote for neither Clinton nor Bush, but i know that would not fix your situation.

What would be a lot more interesting is if you stated *your* views on the matter, should suicide be illegal?

 

[Painman]

Dragging Clinton into discussions like this to attack a liberal position is actually nothing but a red herring. So now it's hypocritical of a lib to disagree with him if they belong(ed) to his party or voted for him? Most elections come down to choosing between Limburger and Cheez Whiz. I for one prefer Cheez Whiz but would much rather be able to choose Jalapeno Jack.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
LOL, i really couldn't care less about the admin, it is what it is, i can not vote and i have no wish to do so, but my point still stands.

My advice to you would be to not vote for neither Clinton nor Bush, but i know that would not fix your situation.

What would be a lot more interesting is if you stated *your* views on the matter, should suicide be illegal?

Yeah, most of the time my opinion would be more interesting but in this case I was interested in how Clinton's opinions would go over.

I'm don't support it, but I don't necessarily support banning it either. I am "sensitive" enough to know there are times when it may seem to be the best to allow people to die with some sort of "dignity" in cases where they will just wither away, or be in a persistent vegetative state. I somewhat equate this with the whole "pull the life-support plug" issue. I have told my wife that I don't want to live on life-support for ages with no sign of improvement. We have it written down but it has not yet been added to our will because it sort of turns it into a "living will" and the attorney who was drafting it is in Iraq at the moment(he is General council for the company I work for).

See - my opinion on this isn't very interesting - thus I thought it'd be more interesting to present someone elses opinions.

CkG

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Klixxer
LOL, i really couldn't care less about the admin, it is what it is, i can not vote and i have no wish to do so, but my point still stands.

My advice to you would be to not vote for neither Clinton nor Bush, but i know that would not fix your situation.

What would be a lot more interesting is if you stated *your* views on the matter, should suicide be illegal?

Yeah, most of the time my opinion would be more interesting but in this case I was interested in how Clinton's opinions would go over.

I'm don't support it, but I don't necessarily support banning it either. I am "sensitive" enough to know there are times when it may seem to be the best to allow people to die with some sort of "dignity" in cases where they will just wither away, or be in a persistent vegetative state. I somewhat equate this with the whole "pull the life-support plug" issue. I have told my wife that I don't want to live on life-support for ages with no sign of improvement. We have it written down but it has not yet been added to our will because it sort of turns it into a "living will" and the attorney who was drafting it is in Iraq at the moment(he is General council for the company I work for).

See - my opinion on this isn't very interesting - thus I thought it'd be more interesting to present someone elses opinions.

CkG

Actually that was interesting, for once we agree on something, now isn't THAT interesting?

What's your opinion on coherent persons wishes to end their lives, i mean like a perfectly healthy 23 year old or something, should that be illegal?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
What's your opinion on coherent persons wishes to end their lives, i mean like a perfectly healthy 23 year old or something, should that be illegal?

How do you "punish" a dead person?

CkG