Anyone with the 939Dual-SATA2 board fully go over to Windows Vista? Have any errors with the SATA2 driver or the onboard NIC? In was thinking of upgrading to Vista but I don't want to have errors.
Yes, I have fully switched, and no, I haven't had any problems. My main/system hard drive is on the SATA2 controller and the NIC works just fine. I didn't even have to install drivers, Windows did it automatically. Only things I had to specifically install drivers for were my Audigy 2 (no surprise there given Creative's track record), and my Radeon 9700 Pro since I wanted OpenGL and faster Direct3D.
anyone want to sell me their 939Dual? Not getting to much response from my post in the FT/FS forum.
Not sure what you're referring to there. I'm running a Radeon 9700 Pro in Vista with no problems right now, and had an Opteron 170 (and an X1900XT) for a while last year that also ran Vista RC2 with no problems.
Could you elaborate on what kind of issues others are seeing?
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Not much from that above link, considering we are at 42 pages of this thread and there were a few users posting issues with certain AGP cards in that thread. You pick any board available today and I'll link you a few users groaning about how it doesn't work with their hardware. One thing I seem to recall is this board not liking some versions of 9600 cards, so unless you have an old ATI card you plan on using, stop worrying and find one when you can before they are completely gone. If mine ever dies, I'm framing it and hanging it on the wall above my workbench.
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Questions of Compatibility & Drivers please.
I bought this 939Dual-Sata2 MB from Newegg a couple months ago, but havent used it yet. Now that Vista is out I might as well get Vista to use with this MB, being i need an OS anyway.
I'd like to get the Vista Home Premium 64-bit Version.
My MB has BIOS Version P 1.90-8B
The Parts to be used on this MB are:
Vista Home Premium 64-Bit (That is if 64-bit is compatible)
AMD 64 3700+
WD Raptor 36 Gig 16MB Cache Sata1 (Plan to RAID 2 of these at a Future time)
Nvidia 6800 Vanilla AGP (Plan to use a PCI-e in the future)
Audigy-Value Sound card
A-Data Vitesta DDR400 Dual Channel 2 x 1Gb
I'm guessing that I'll have no problems running the above mentioned Parts on this MB, Opinions Please.
Main Question is of the Compatibility of the 64-Bit Version of Vista, Opinions Please. & secondly is my A-Data Ram acceptable ?
Thanks
I bought this 939Dual-Sata2 MB from Newegg a couple months ago, but havent used it yet. Now that Vista is out I might as well get Vista to use with this MB, being i need an OS anyway.
I'd like to get the Vista Home Premium 64-bit Version.
My MB has BIOS Version P 1.90-8B
The Parts to be used on this MB are:
Vista Home Premium 64-Bit (That is if 64-bit is compatible)
AMD 64 3700+
WD Raptor 36 Gig 16MB Cache Sata1 (Plan to RAID 2 of these at a Future time)
Nvidia 6800 Vanilla AGP (Plan to use a PCI-e in the future)
Audigy-Value Sound card
A-Data Vitesta DDR400 Dual Channel 2 x 1Gb
I'm guessing that I'll have no problems running the above mentioned Parts on this MB, Opinions Please.
Main Question is of the Compatibility of the 64-Bit Version of Vista, Opinions Please. & secondly is my A-Data Ram acceptable ?
Thanks
I personally ran the 64-bit version of RC2 (Ultimate) for over a month on my board with no issues (currently using 32-bit RTM, halfway thinking about switching back to 64 at some point). I used a PCI-E X1900XT and an Audigy 2 at the time. While I can't tell you with 100% certainty that everything will work since I haven't really used the 64-bit RTM version, based on my past and present experiences with Vista on this board I would say it's extremely unlikely that you'll run into compatibility problems. (I can't really speak for Nvidia's drivers though since I haven't used one of their cards since last summer.)
ok I'm using this board with Vista Ultimate and at stock cpu/ram settings vista randomly freezes on me, my ram checks out to be fine in memtest...does this happen to anyone else?
The only random freezes I get are when running OpenGL apps with AA on; I've been operating under the assumption that it's just ATI's drivers since I can't recall freezes or hard locks in any other situation since I've been using Vista Ultimate RTM.
Actually, I see in your sig that you have a Radeon 9800 (I'm using a 9700 Pro right now)...wonder if it is related to ATI. By random freezes, do you mean that you haven't been able to determine a pattern?
Have you guys seen the prices of Opteron 165 and 170 chips this week?
Around $160-$190
I'm thinking about dropping one in there to replace my single core 3700 which never overclocked well anyway.
Any thoughts on if the 10x multiplier is worth an extra $30 over the 9x? My guess is it's a toss up on which chip will reach the fastest core speed. What is typical for these chips? I hear about 2700-2800MHz max with extra cooling and 1.45V (haven't done a voltage mod).
As I write this on my laptop I'm running tests on my board (1.80) to see how far I can get the bus speed with the CPU at a reduced multiplier and RAM set to 166. I'm running Prime95 at 260MHz now but I'm sure I can go farther. I'm going to set the HTT multipliers back to 3X (600MHz) before proceeding past 260MHz.
Around $160-$190
I'm thinking about dropping one in there to replace my single core 3700 which never overclocked well anyway.
Any thoughts on if the 10x multiplier is worth an extra $30 over the 9x? My guess is it's a toss up on which chip will reach the fastest core speed. What is typical for these chips? I hear about 2700-2800MHz max with extra cooling and 1.45V (haven't done a voltage mod).
As I write this on my laptop I'm running tests on my board (1.80) to see how far I can get the bus speed with the CPU at a reduced multiplier and RAM set to 166. I'm running Prime95 at 260MHz now but I'm sure I can go farther. I'm going to set the HTT multipliers back to 3X (600MHz) before proceeding past 260MHz.
I ended up having to sell my Opteron 170 several months back (needed the money, currently on an A64 3200+), but I did run one for almost a year on this board.
In general, especially now that the last several BIOS versions have removed the infamous "274MHz HTT limit", I would say that the 10x multiplier is not really worth a premium over the 9x of the 165. I ran my 170 at 2.7GHz with no problems, temperatures were good; this was with an SI-120 and ~2800rpm 120mm fan.
Voltage was 1.55V (max allowed by the voltmod), but to be honest I never really did much experimenting to see if a lower voltage would have been stable too; just set it to 1.55 and left it there basically. I'm sure at least 2.6GHz should be easy on 1.45V with good cooling; however, as far as I remember, I was only able to set the voltage as high as 1.40 on a dual-core chip (ignoring the voltmod) - I remember there being confusion in this thread about different people seeing different max voltages in the BIOS, and as I recall it turned out that the guys who saw 1.45V were on single core chips, and only 1.40V was available while using a dual core. I don't remember for sure if this is still the the case on the most current BIOS version, but it's something to think about at least. The good news is, even if you're not planning on voltmodding, I was able to do 2.4 easily on 1.4V (maybe even 2.5, I forget). And the conductive pen voltmod is very easy too, I did it on my board and on my friend's board (he later bought the same one). I can give you more details on that if you're interested.
As far as HTT speed, I've done 300x9 on this board before, and I think I even did 311x9 as a test (it wasn't stable though, I imagine my 170 just couldn't quite handle 2.8GHz).
Anyways, it sounds like you basically know what you're doing, I just wanted to tell you about my experiences. Let me know if you have any more questions.
(In addition to the Opteron chips, you might also want to consider the X2 3800+; as long as you don't have your heart set on the 2x1MB L2 cache, they overclock almost as well and Newegg has the S939 version for $119 right now...)
Also, since I'm here now anyway - in case anyone still checks on this thread from time to time, is anyone using this board with Windows Vista and has Hibernate working correctly? It's never worked right for me, and it's not a huge issue since I almost never shut off or reboot the computer, but it would be nice to get it working for the times I'd use it.
To be more specific about my Hibernate problems, the machine will (or at least did) go into Hibernate just fine, it just never resumed. I'd turn the computer back on and it would appear to be loading Windows and resuming, even getting as far as briefly displaying the mouse cursor (right before the logon screen should have appeared), but as far as I can tell it froze after that. Happens every single time too.
In researching an unrelated issue, I found that newer drivers for the JMicron SATA2 controller are available here; a post on the OCW forums seemed to imply that these fixed some issues. I did install them and can't really tell any difference, except now the computer doesn't go into Sleep mode either.
To be more specific about my Hibernate problems, the machine will (or at least did) go into Hibernate just fine, it just never resumed. I'd turn the computer back on and it would appear to be loading Windows and resuming, even getting as far as briefly displaying the mouse cursor (right before the logon screen should have appeared), but as far as I can tell it froze after that. Happens every single time too.
In researching an unrelated issue, I found that newer drivers for the JMicron SATA2 controller are available here; a post on the OCW forums seemed to imply that these fixed some issues. I did install them and can't really tell any difference, except now the computer doesn't go into Sleep mode either.
Ok heres how it happens 90% of the time, I use my computer then I stop using it for maybe 5-10mins and then when I come back to use it I move my mouse, the pointer moves and then it freezes. The other time it didnt happen like this was when I was just using the comp and then it went to a blue screen (no letters) and then my comp rebooted...I recently bought a new PSU, a Corsair 520W, and I checked out the ram in memtest86 and it turns out to be good. I run Orthos for about 8hours and its stable... It mostly freezes in the scenario mentioned above.
Mine always freezes after a while if I forget to turn down the HT multiplier and run the Hypertransport bus above 1000MHz. It seems extremely sensitive to overclocking here. Just a thought if you are running HT past 1000MHz.
I've been following this thread but hadn't really learned if the volt mod problem using BIOS after 1.20 had been solved. From what I gather there is no reason to use BIOS after 1.80 for Opteron and that most of the updates after this were for AM2 support. I read up on the voltmod procedure last year but never tried it. You are talking about the one using a conductive pencil on the back of the board right? I'd be willing to give that a shot but I was under the impression that there were problems with BIOS after 1.20.
I got up to 280MHz yesterday evening. Prime ran well for one cycle so I pushed the 3700 to 9x and the memory to 166. That gave me a 2520MHz CPU, 840MHz HT, and 229MHz RAM. Ran Prime again for a cycle and was stable so I gamed the rest of the evening with no problem. If I could get a 165 to do this it would be good and a nice cheap way to extend the life of my 939 experience a little farther and even better if I could get it to 300MHz x9 with the volt mod. I'm going to see how far my Corsair XMS will go at 3,3,3,10 now. There may be a point of diminishing returns anyway if I have to step the RAM down again to go up to 300MHz.
My next board at this point will be a C2D (or Barcelona if it proves worth it) and frankly looking at over $500 just for a board, low end C2D, and 2GB DDR2 to make it happen is making me seriously look at pushing my 939 for another year at least. $160 is a lot less than $500.
Thanks for all your help, I'll keep posting.
I've been following this thread but hadn't really learned if the volt mod problem using BIOS after 1.20 had been solved. From what I gather there is no reason to use BIOS after 1.80 for Opteron and that most of the updates after this were for AM2 support. I read up on the voltmod procedure last year but never tried it. You are talking about the one using a conductive pencil on the back of the board right? I'd be willing to give that a shot but I was under the impression that there were problems with BIOS after 1.20.
I got up to 280MHz yesterday evening. Prime ran well for one cycle so I pushed the 3700 to 9x and the memory to 166. That gave me a 2520MHz CPU, 840MHz HT, and 229MHz RAM. Ran Prime again for a cycle and was stable so I gamed the rest of the evening with no problem. If I could get a 165 to do this it would be good and a nice cheap way to extend the life of my 939 experience a little farther and even better if I could get it to 300MHz x9 with the volt mod. I'm going to see how far my Corsair XMS will go at 3,3,3,10 now. There may be a point of diminishing returns anyway if I have to step the RAM down again to go up to 300MHz.
My next board at this point will be a C2D (or Barcelona if it proves worth it) and frankly looking at over $500 just for a board, low end C2D, and 2GB DDR2 to make it happen is making me seriously look at pushing my 939 for another year at least. $160 is a lot less than $500.
Thanks for all your help, I'll keep posting.
my HyperTransport is at the 600mhz mode which i assume is 3x? So my HT right now is at 810, last night i ran othos for another 8hours and it was fine idle cpu temp was at 33c and load temp was 50c, its weird the comp freezes randomly...maybe thats why its not vista compatible?
I guess you've already tried downclocking the CPU bus speed a little to reduce your CPU and RAM to see if it still happens?
If so I would suspect a power supply problem. You say you recently dropped in a new 520W PSU. Did the problems start with the new PSU or were they occurring prior to that? If the freezing problems were the same before the new PSU and continue even after you downclock the system I would suspect a faulty component. Since your RAM tests OK it could be the CPU or the motherboard itself. Most likely the motherboard, possibly an occasional ground fault. Reseating the motherboard in your case to check for any possible ground problems on the case or simply removing and reseating the CPU may solve it.
It could also be a software issue....a virus or faulty Windows installation. It could also be a bad hard drive or damaged sector containing a critical Windows file.
Then again it could just be that the Vista drivers have issues with this board. If that were true for everyone though I would expect this thread to light up like a christmas tree.
Start simple and work your way to the more difficult solutions.
BTW...running stable for a couple hours testing now at 300MHz x8 (2.4GHz) and 240MHz on the DDR400. HTT link 3x at 900MHz. I'm going to order a 165 today I think. I hate the thought of being limited to 2.7GHz though if I do the volt mod since I have a water cooler on it. hmmmm....maybe the 170....need to think about it.
If so I would suspect a power supply problem. You say you recently dropped in a new 520W PSU. Did the problems start with the new PSU or were they occurring prior to that? If the freezing problems were the same before the new PSU and continue even after you downclock the system I would suspect a faulty component. Since your RAM tests OK it could be the CPU or the motherboard itself. Most likely the motherboard, possibly an occasional ground fault. Reseating the motherboard in your case to check for any possible ground problems on the case or simply removing and reseating the CPU may solve it.
It could also be a software issue....a virus or faulty Windows installation. It could also be a bad hard drive or damaged sector containing a critical Windows file.
Then again it could just be that the Vista drivers have issues with this board. If that were true for everyone though I would expect this thread to light up like a christmas tree.
Start simple and work your way to the more difficult solutions.
BTW...running stable for a couple hours testing now at 300MHz x8 (2.4GHz) and 240MHz on the DDR400. HTT link 3x at 900MHz. I'm going to order a 165 today I think. I hate the thought of being limited to 2.7GHz though if I do the volt mod since I have a water cooler on it. hmmmm....maybe the 170....need to think about it.
two weeks ago i was running vista and these problems happened then i went down to stock speeds and the problems still happened, a week later i get rid of vista and use xp and the problems started to happen there to (where it never happened before), i drop in the new psu and the freezing doesnt not happen so often in both vista and xp, but yet it still freezes.
but i havent ruled out the hardware problem
but i havent ruled out the hardware problem
Well that rules out a software issue.
Try removing one stick of RAM for a while or just swapping out the slots. You could try flashing the BIOS too if it's not the most recent BIOS.
Anyway....I ordered the Opteron 165 today and should get it by monday. I will drop it in and post the results. Going to see how far it will go with the stock mobo voltage 1.4 I believe and see what happens. I've stressed out all the components this week to ensure I will be CPU limited only to reach my goal of 2700MHz!
Try removing one stick of RAM for a while or just swapping out the slots. You could try flashing the BIOS too if it's not the most recent BIOS.
Anyway....I ordered the Opteron 165 today and should get it by monday. I will drop it in and post the results. Going to see how far it will go with the stock mobo voltage 1.4 I believe and see what happens. I've stressed out all the components this week to ensure I will be CPU limited only to reach my goal of 2700MHz!
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I had better luck overclocking my Opteron 144 in the Asrock board than an Opteron 165 .... same setup and the 144 could get to 2.7 at default with stock cooling, but the 165 would only do 2.55. Both chips were better than average steppings as well. If I find another Asrock board to buy I am going to voltmod it and try for 3ghz with better cooling.
anyone having trouble with the onboard NIC, and windows vista? When I use the onboard NIC it takes a long time to actually connect to the net...for a while I thought it was my router but I switched out the router and the problem was still there. I put in a PCI NIC and now its connecting fine...
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