Asking for a raise and saying if dont get it you will quit, is that fair?

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: mattocs

Originally posted by: Wheezer
As a supervisor, I have had plenty of employees come to me and tell me that "if I don't get more money, I am going to quit and go somewhere else"....my response?

Don't let the door hit your ass one the way out.

Asking for a raise is understandable. There is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

Threating to quit if you don't get it...well there is grounds for termination in my eyes right there.

Exactly who the hell do you think you are and how valuable do you think you are that I cannot replace you?....after all when you submitted your resume, or application...YOU came to ME...remember?

You asked me for a job first...I never knocked on your door, and when we sat down for an interview I laid it all out for you including the pay...you agreed and here we are...and now after giving you an opportunity you threaten me?

get the fvck out....I will find someone else.

been down that road many a time...generally speaking the ones that pull this crap weren't much to start with anyway.

How much do supervisors at McDonnalds get paid now a days?

sorry to disappoint but it was a multi billion dollar beverage manufacture.

I never said that asking for money was wrong, what I said was that there was a right way and a wrong way to do it.

The wrong way is to threaten to quit.

The right way is to negotiate and if it is not enough there is nothing to stop you from seeking other avenues of employment.

You sought me out, and offered me the job
you screwed up my pay raise last year
you underpay me/over work me
there are companies lined up asking me to come interview.

In some cases yes...of a head hunter...BUT if YOU initiated contact first AND upon the interview agreed to everything that is laid out then that is your problem to deal with.

Feel you are overworked? (who doesn't) leave
Feel your pay is fvcked with? (who doesn't) leave
got a line of potential employers lined around the block to interview you? leave

To the person that said I was a "prick" to work for...yes I was, but I also had the most devoted people working for me.

I made no bones about what I expected from the people that worked for me, and I was also more often than not on their side of a dispute between my boss and them.

Those that did work to the level I expected got the highest raise I could get them...if I felt they went above and beyond...I could not give them more money, but I could give them time off with pay...and I did. Sometimes they only worked 30-35 hours but got paid for 40.

Jobs are not all about money, they are many time about security, benefits and maintaining a good reference, or should you need to go back.

 

[KingGheedora]

It's preferable to ask for a raise based on merit. Make your case and if you are valuable to them, and they are sane, they will work something out with you.

That's preferable because it keeps everyone on good terms. Work is politics, and asking your employer for something with a threat to leave is seen as an aggressive move, not a good aggressive. In many cases it might be better to get a job lined up, and then just tell them you are leaving. You are covered both ways in that case because you either have a job you picked out waiting for you (which is hopefully better), or your employer will make a counter offer, and that way you didn't burn any bridges.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spidey07

That's unusual. Normally the contractors are compensated better than employees.

You are free to ask for a raise from your current employer. Threatening to quit however would be a terrible move. Contractors are the easiest replacable resource their is. You could be replaced in a week or two.

As a contractor you generally take greater compensation at the risk of job security.

While I agree that threatening to quit is a bad idea, you can't say he could be replaced in a week or two with the information that we have. They could fill his chair with a warm body in a week or two, but we have no idea how long it would take to get that person up to speed on what he was doing. That could take up to 6 months.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i work for a company that provides IT staffing for a variety of companies and the team I am on is for IBM.

IBM is cheap-o with how they pay IT contractors let me tell you.

7 year contractor victim at IBM here....

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I always had the opposite problem. Everytime I'd try to quit they'd throw more money at me.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: spidey07

That's unusual. Normally the contractors are compensated better than employees.

You are free to ask for a raise from your current employer. Threatening to quit however would be a terrible move. Contractors are the easiest replacable resource their is. You could be replaced in a week or two.

As a contractor you generally take greater compensation at the risk of job security.

While I agree that threatening to quit is a bad idea, you can't say he could be replaced in a week or two with the information that we have. They could fill his chair with a warm body in a week or two, but we have no idea how long it would take to get that person up to speed on what he was doing. That could take up to 6 months.

If you want somebody bad enough, you can get them in and they can do twice the work of the previous person. Everybody no matter what their level can be replaced.

I've been through enough corporate shake ups to see vice president level and down get completely overhauled within a month.

 

[GoPackGo]

I actually I am in a similar position.

When I started with the company I work for it was for basically local pc and server support.

It has grown to enterprise pc server and support.

and Cisco IP telephony administration

and leading projects such as WSUS deployment, enterprise anti-virus deployment and the Daylight Saving Time project this year.

So I really think I have increased my value but am grossly underpaid.

Our review period is coming up soon...so wish me luck!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: spidey07

That's unusual. Normally the contractors are compensated better than employees.

You are free to ask for a raise from your current employer. Threatening to quit however would be a terrible move. Contractors are the easiest replacable resource their is. You could be replaced in a week or two.

As a contractor you generally take greater compensation at the risk of job security.

While I agree that threatening to quit is a bad idea, you can't say he could be replaced in a week or two with the information that we have. They could fill his chair with a warm body in a week or two, but we have no idea how long it would take to get that person up to speed on what he was doing. That could take up to 6 months.

If you want somebody bad enough, you can get them in and they can do twice the work of the previous person. Everybody no matter what their level can be replaced.

I've been through enough corporate shake ups to see vice president level and down get completely overhauled within a month.

Spoken like a clueless upper manager. If you have a project with a few hundred thousand lines of code, you can't just hire someone who will immediately be twice as productive as someone who has been on the project for any length of time.

If we're talking about a trained monkey position, that may be possible. Like I said, we don't have enough information to reach a conclusion on that.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I actually I am in a similar position.

When I started with the company I work for it was for basically local pc and server support.

It has grown to enterprise pc server and support.

and Cisco IP telephony administration

and leading projects such as WSUS deployment, enterprise anti-virus deployment and the Daylight Saving Time project this year.

So I really think I have increased my value but am grossly underpaid.

Our review period is coming up soon...so wish me luck!

Similar situation that I'm in...

I'm doing all the work as a network administrator and a website developer for 12.50... That "intern" title really gets you.

The City council just approved my full time + benefits position for next year, underpaid still. woohoo.


But it's typically not a good idea to tell them you'll quit if you don't get a raise. Even if they do need you, upper management usually has an ego problem.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i work for a company that provides IT staffing for a variety of companies and the team I am on is for IBM.

IBM is cheap-o with how they pay IT contractors let me tell you.

7 year contractor victim at IBM here....

yeah. they have their moments, but in general, they pay at the lower end.

they want high end SAP guys at <75/hr.

yeah ok.

the american dream is a lot of myth.

a ton of companies dont reward good hard work, and there arent enough that do to make the dream a reality. sure some do, not saying none do. but less pay fair than do not.

in fact many companies practically thrive on underpaying employees.

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i work for a company that provides IT staffing for a variety of companies and the team I am on is for IBM.

IBM is cheap-o with how they pay IT contractors let me tell you.

7 year contractor victim at IBM here....

yeah. they have their moments, but in general, they pay at the lower end.

they want high end SAP guys at <75/hr.

yeah ok.

the american dream is a lot of myth.

a ton of companies dont reward good hard work, and there arent enough that do to make the dream a reality. sure some do, not saying none do. but less pay fair than do not.

in fact many companies practically thrive on underpaying employees.

what's the going rate for a "high end SAP guy"? $75/hour is $156k per year.. that's not peanuts no matter what you do.

 

[StartingLine]

Well there are a few responses to this post

1. If you really are worth a lot to them, great, go in and fight for your raise or quit

2. If you just think you are worth a lot to them and have yourself artificially blown up be prepared to get booted.

 

[FoBoT]

just spare the dramatics and get a new job

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
just spare the dramatics and get a new job

QFT. Well put FoBoT.

If you think you are underpaid, get a new damn job. Don't go threatening anyone! Worst case, you get fired before you can say that you quit, and you have no reference. :| 113

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: FoBoT
just spare the dramatics and get a new job

QFT. Well put FoBoT.

If you think you are underpaid, get a new damn job. Don't go threatening anyone! Worst case, you get fired before you can say that you quit, and you have no reference. :| 113

If you like the job and want to stay you can ASK for a raise first, but don't threaten to quit.

 

[FoBoT]

sure, if you like the job and company, ask for anything

but if they don't respond in a reasonable fashion to a reasonable request (i.e. if you ask for something unreasonable, don't expect anything) then they must not think you are as valuable as you do

this is what i don't get, people that get an "average" rating year after year they, get the average raise, year after year
yet they don't ask the boss what they need to do (or just figure it out themselves) to be a top performer to get the top raises

why would the company give an average guy an above average raise?

you need to show your boss how you "Added value" to the business and then they'll understand why you should get the "big bucks"

good luck OP :sun: :moon: :clock:

 

[Xavier434]

This is a really bad idea from every possible angle I tried to come up with in my head and I was being generous towards the odds with some of them. Don't do it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DoorNo3

Originally posted by: Wheezer
As a supervisor, I have had plenty of employees come to me and tell me that "if I don't get more money, I am going to quit and go somewhere else"....my response?

Don't let the door hit your ass one the way out.

Asking for a raise is understandable. There is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

Threating to quit if you don't get it...well there is grounds for termination in my eyes right there.

Exactly who the hell do you think you are and how valuable do you think you are that I cannot replace you?....after all when you submitted your resume, or application...YOU came to ME...remember?

You asked me for a job first...I never knocked on your door, and when we sat down for an interview I laid it all out for you including the pay...you agreed and here we are...and now after giving you an opportunity you threaten me?

get the fvck out....I will find someone else.

been down that road many a time...generally speaking the ones that pull this crap weren't much to start with anyway.

Wow, you must be a prick to work for.

Excelent first post!!
I must agree with Wheezer on this one......

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: KrillBee

Originally posted by: alrocky
Fair is not the issue. Do you already have better employment lined up elsewhere?

no i dont. and im not thinking about quitting next week, but maybe in a month or so.

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Have you told them that you enjoy working there and want to become a full-time employee?

nope. they made an offer to a student worker before they made an offer to me. that disgusts me.

Originally posted by: spidey07


That's unusual. Normally the contractors are compensated better than employees.

You are free to ask for a raise from your current employer. Threatening to quit however would be a terrible move. Contractors are the easiest replacable resource their is. You could be replaced in a week or two.

As a contractor you generally take greater compensation at the risk of job security.

my hourly wage is similar to what id make if i were an employee for this company, but i get no benefits, and i have my own taxes and stuff.

You see it sounds to me as if your just not cutting as a contractor in the opinion of the pople who hired you......

Or your just not very tactful and considerate at asking for what you want...

You never ask for something and at the same tiime threaten to look for other employment...

If you ask and they say no...then start looking with out telling them......

Good Luck!!

 

[sygyzy]

How old are you? You never threaten your boss or company. You ask for a raise in a professional manner. Once, maybe twice. Then if you don't get it, and it's really important to you, you quit. You don't threaten them, you don't go to them and say "I got a better offer, can you match it." You quit.

 

[Xavier434]

It is funny how many adults forget some of the basics that our parents taught us when we were so young. Does the phrase, "You'll catch more flys with honey than you will with vinegar" ring a bell to anyone? It's amazing how much people will bend over backwards for you simply because you take that extra step to be nice and respectful.

 

[Skacer]

Ask for the raise, if you get one great, if you don't, then start looking for a new job. If you eventually get a new job and put in your 2 weeks notice, when they ask you why you are quitting just say you waited x number of years hoping you'd become a full time employee and get a salary increase but it never happened and you are done waiting. That simple.

 

[fisheerman]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I actually I am in a similar position.

When I started with the company I work for it was for basically local pc and server support.

It has grown to enterprise pc server and support.

and Cisco IP telephony administration

and leading projects such as WSUS deployment, enterprise anti-virus deployment and the Daylight Saving Time project this year.

So I really think I have increased my value but am grossly underpaid.

Our review period is coming up soon...so wish me luck!

Similar situation that I'm in...

I'm doing all the work as a network administrator and a website developer for 12.50... That "intern" title really gets you.

The City council just approved my full time + benefits position for next year, underpaid still. woohoo.


But it's typically not a good idea to tell them you'll quit if you don't get a raise. Even if they do need you, upper management usually has an ego problem.

Um Im not trying to sound like a d%&k but if you are looking for any kinda of fast track growth potential in the IT world then sticking around a government agency is career suicide....It isn't that there aren't great jobs in the government agencies but it is almost impossible to advance rapidly even if you are the best(programmer/analyst/developer/sys admin). Government agency don't have the ability (or will) to fasttrac great employees.

If I were you and you are confident in your skills then I would start looking and ditch that job for a private sector one that will be able to see your potential and profit from it. Once you become an valuable (money generating) producer then the additional pay will follow.

get a good 5-10 years of private experience and then apply for a high end analyst/programmer job in the government if that is your ultimate work environment.

youll command more money and have a lot more experience to back it up.

my 2 cents

-fish

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: fisheerman

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I actually I am in a similar position.

When I started with the company I work for it was for basically local pc and server support.

It has grown to enterprise pc server and support.

and Cisco IP telephony administration

and leading projects such as WSUS deployment, enterprise anti-virus deployment and the Daylight Saving Time project this year.

So I really think I have increased my value but am grossly underpaid.

Our review period is coming up soon...so wish me luck!

Similar situation that I'm in...

I'm doing all the work as a network administrator and a website developer for 12.50... That "intern" title really gets you.

The City council just approved my full time + benefits position for next year, underpaid still. woohoo.


But it's typically not a good idea to tell them you'll quit if you don't get a raise. Even if they do need you, upper management usually has an ego problem.

Um Im not trying to sound like a d%&k but if you are looking for any kinda of fast track growth potential in the IT world then sticking around a government agency is career suicide....It isn't that there aren't great jobs in the government agencies but it is almost impossible to advance rapidly even if you are the best(programmer/analyst/developer/sys admin). Government agency don't have the ability (or will) to fasttrac great employees.

If I were you and you are confident in your skills then I would start looking and ditch that job for a private sector one that will be able to see your potential and profit from it. Once you become an valuable (money generating) producer then the additional pay will follow.

get a good 5-10 years of private experience and then apply for a high end analyst/programmer job in the government if that is your ultimate work environment.

youll command more money and have a lot more experience to back it up.

my 2 cents

-fish

Yeah... I know. But it's a solid job, great resume builder and I'm building tons of references, so by no means is it a bad career choice for the time being. I'll be going to college in October for my bachelors in web development and a masters in business administration while working on all the certificates I can. The private sector really isn't looking for a 19 year old with no degree... and they definitely won't be as willing to work around my schooling. So for now I'm staying, probably until I'm done with school unless they throw more money at me.

/hijack

OP, you can have your topic back now =P

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: KrillBee
Asking for a raise and saying if dont get it you will quit, is that fair?

Yes, it's fair, but we don't want to hear you cry when they walk you out.