Asians and Blacks........why the animosity?

[Zebo]

<< The average family income of an ethnic minority indian is $78,000, this is 2 times more than a white, 3 times more than black and 4 times more than hispanics/mexicans. (Source US State Department) >>


Duh. Only the best and brightest get visas and have the cash to come over.
I work with two Dr. Datta and Dr. Patel were both rich in India, and could have made a fortune in a corrupt Govt position over there. They chose to be researchers over here not for the money but science and they plan to go back once they retire. BTW- they were educated over in India.

 

[Pepsei]

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<< or you've hanging around the wrong ones. >>



probably that, and there sure are alot of wrong ones. >>

yeah, most of them live over by me.

nik (

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dude, you need to move then.... come to Tahoe, you don't have to hang out with poor people then...

you know the famous saying "if you don't like blah blah... leave ", same can be apply here.

 

[cybergrave]

Asian Racisim:

Being an Indian Asian myself, I think we are more racsts and introverts than most educated whites/blacks. I am not talking about the ghetto blacks/hispanics, the hicks/red necks/ poor illetrate as I hardly know anyone of them.

In high school, I had the highest grades, I was one of the richest kids and I drove an expensive sports car. I could have cared less about what other kids thought about me or my people. Yet, I did not limit my friend circle to people of my race or social status. A little extra effort makes all the difference. And i am glad I did.

First of all, we are the minority. We should mix with the majority. Not vice versa.
America has a culture of its own. We have something different.
The fusion of both these is the best compromise we can have. And America rewards this mix no doubt.

Following this concept, I offer some points for Asian Americans to mix in with the mainstream:

1) Do not date or marry same race girls only. Broaden your horizon. There are treasures all over

2) Speak in English whenever you are in a gathering with multi culture people.

3) Throw parties for your white/black neighbours and invite them for a social lesson of your own culture and vice versa. Be it a sunday barbecue or DIWALI or ID or Bhudda's birthday or Chinese new year or whatever.

4) Get a thorough knowledge and understanding of how everyday things work in US. Knowledge is power.

5) Whenever there is a huge function or event or gatheirng of your own race people, make it a point to call a mainstream media person or digntary or celebrity. Make it look Americana. You will make everyone happy.

6) Socialize in local pubs/bars even if you do not drink and offer drinks to the regulars. Spend some cash making Toms, Jasons, Joes, Smiths and Hoolios beer bellyed. This creates a sense of belonging to the community you live in and you win the respect of all.

7) Get hold of your community leaders and ask them to contribute to local radio/newspapers/TV. Tell america you are with them.


Actually, the Indian community in Westchester, NY has followed these progams and is well integrated into the mainstream.

I see no reason why others cannot.

 

[quantide]

face it, everyone is a little racist.

that being said, to answer your question on at look at the history of african americans. they were slaved, tortured physically and esp mentally and put through some terrible things for decades. after having gone through all that, do you really expect them to come out as intelligent, civilized or whatever as whites? w hat you're basically doing is taking your adopted "white" values and looking down on african americans for not having them. i think the way the majority of african americans turned out to be is a result of their victimization.

 

[ScottyB]

What I don't get is why people say white people are so racist and no one else is. I almost never hear a white person call a black person a ni**er in the media and I have never heard a white person call a black person one in real life. I see black people calling whites; whitey, cracker, honkey all the time in the media and have seen them do it in real life and have had them say it to me.

 

[SuperCyrix]

<< ah, but i thought you said "all minorities" are racist? you should reword it if you want to make exceptions >>



All as in all catagory of minorities, not everyone who is a minority.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

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<< or you've hanging around the wrong ones. >>



probably that, and there sure are alot of wrong ones. >>

yeah, most of them live over by me.

nik (

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dude, you need to move then.... come to Tahoe, you don't have to hang out with poor people then...

you know the famous saying "if you don't like blah blah... leave ", same can be apply here. >>

Yeah, I'm doing my damndest -or whatever. Anyway, when we moved in here, 20 yrs ago, it was a much MUCH better society that it is now. :disgust:

Since I can't clean up MY neighborhood, I have to move to someone else's and hope it doesn't crap out too.

nik

 

[erub]

all of you are bashing SuperCyrix's comment, but here's an observation of mine. UT Austin is considered to be a diverse campus, and it is; one random saturday afternoon i went down to their gym, and there were 3 games going on on three different basketball courts, all parallel to each other (in the same gym) . Guess what? One court contained all whites, the next contained all blacks, and the final contained all Asians. People self segregate naturally - there was nobody directing them which court to go to. People like to be with people who are similar to them.

 

[Alphathree33]

Me = white. Born in Canada. (By the way for those of you asking who has similar racial problems, we do. )

As a "majority", I have had absolutely no problem mixing in with the Asian crowd at school. As it turns out, most of my friends are asian. I only have three white friends, and at least fifteen asian friends.

Because of this, I tend to be a very asian white guy. Heck, I listen to Jay Chow and Sammi Cheng, I make origami turtles and I prefer chopsticks over a fork.

I have only one black friend, and he is just barely a friend.

But every time I go to judge blacks, I always remember once incident in particular: I go to a special course for gifted math students and one year we had a guest speaker. About sixty of us rode on two buses to the university to hear him speak -- he was at the front of the bus, riding with us. I was sitting behind him and I got a good look at him -- old black guy, heavy accent, probably going to open the doors for us or something, I thought.

Well as it turns out, he WAS the guest speaker! And one of the most brilliant mathematicians I have ever spoken with.

Obviously there are a lot of blacks out there who do not fit this description. But before you decide to generalize... just remember that...

Oh, and asians are perfect. I'm allowed to say that because I'm white.

 

[Nefrodite]

black people are big scary, talk their annoying jive talk, glorify criminals, waste money of garish shows of wealth, belittle their own for being uncle toms when they succeed, take opportunities away from others through affirmitive action-espeically since asians aren't considered "minorities" by latinos and blacks because of the model minority myth, and dress like shoplifters.



i kid..
but a grain of truth..


also, older asian parents are generally against mixing with blacks, hey its true i guess they think being dark will disadvantage the children. mixing with white people if fine apparently hah


korean+viet tend to be the poorest generally of the asian groups. maybe because of this they end up opening business in cheaper areas and are in more contact with black people. chinese people i know scrimp and save just to move to nicer areas even if they have to downgrade to a tiny house because they want their kids to go to a better school

 

[Ornery]

"Asians and Blacks........why the animosity?

This is truly a stupefying question...


DO THE RIGHT THING by Spike Lee

• ML points across the street to the Korean fruit and vegetable
  stand.
  
  ML
  It's a f*cking shame.
  
  SWEET DICK WILLIE
  What is?
  
  ML
  Sweet Dick Willie.
  
  SWEET DICK WILLIE
  That's my name.
  
  ML
  Do I have to spell it out?
  
  COCONUT SID
  Make it plain.
  
  ML
  OK, but listen up. I'm gonna break
  it down.
  
  SWEET DICK WILLIE
  Let it be broke.
  
  ML
  Can ya dig it?
  
  SWEET DICK WILLIE
  It's dug.
  
  CLOSE--ML
  
  ML
  Look at those Korean motherf*ckers
  across the street. I betcha they
  haven't been a year off da
  motherf*cking boat before they
  opened up their own place.
  
  CLOSE--COCONUT SID
  
  COCONUT SID
  It's been about a year.
  
  CLOSE--ML
  
  ML
  A motherf*cking year off the
  motherf*cking boat and got a good
  business in our neighborhood
  occupying a building that had been
  boarded up for longer than I care
  to remember and I've been here a
  long time.
  
  CLOSE--SWEET DICK WILLIE
  
  SWEET DICK WILLIE
  It has been a long time.
  
  CLOSE--COCONUT SID
  
  COCONUT SID
  How long?
  
  CLOSE--ML
  
  ML
  Too long! Too long. Now for the
  life of me, I haven't been able to
  figger this out. Either dem
  Koreans are geniuses or we Blacks
  are dumb.
  
  This is truly a stupefying question and all three are silent.
  What is the answer?
  
  COCONUT SID
  It's gotta be cuz we're Black. No
  other explanation, nobody don't
  want the Black man to be about sh*t.
  
  SWEET DICK WILLIE
  Old excuse.
  
  ML
  I'll be one happy fool to see us
  have our own business right here.
  Yes, sir. I'd be the first in line
  to spend the little money I got.
  
  Sweet Dick Willie gets up from his folding chair.
  
  SWEET DICK WILLIE
  It's Miller time. Let me go give
  these Koreans s'more business.
  
  ML
  It's a motherf*cking shame.
  
  COCONUT SID
  Ain't that a bitch...

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

If you watch children from 3-6 yrs old no matter what ethnicity, they get along alot better than when the get older. it comes from a combination of seeing what happens to their parents, experiencing what the parents experience, or from what the parents 'teach' them to believe about others.

I don't want to insult by saying this is not particularly insightful but few people acknowledge the fact that children LEARN to be racist. It is a complex psychosocial phenomena that develops with exposure to the right stimuli. But we are messing these kids up at earlier and earlier ages.

I see little distinction between the Korean family that can own a business in a black neighborhood but doesn't live in the neighborhood and the miscreants in the hood that cheat, accost, or rob the owners. I can't prove it but I would wager that businesses and their owners that truly invest in communities and get to know their patrons become an integral part of that community. And the community will protect its own. Yeah, I know moving up the class-system ladder is the raison d'etre but ultimately our communities and nation will be strongest when we all think of being in the shyte together and figure out ways to clean it up; instead of pretending it doesn't exist inside brick edifices, 12 ft gates, and the water hazard on #4.

korean+viet tend to be the poorest generally of the asian groups. maybe because of this they end up opening business in cheaper areas and are in more contact with black people. chinese people i know scrimp and save just to move to nicer areas even if they have to downgrade to a tiny house because they want their kids to go to a better school

Help me understand how your generalizations contribute to a fruitful discussion?! The poorest people of Asian descent that I know in America are Chinese; so are the wealthiest. I know many more wealthy Vietnamese than poor . . . then again all 4 of them married wealthy whites but that's just more proof NOT to trust limited experience or compound your ignorance by generalizing.

 

[CalamitousSoul]

Get over it ppl
Jealous, hatred wtf cares. Worry about being successful yourself and stop hating on each other. And bringing up stupid racial topics. You say your not racist? bias? etc... Then stop posting up nonsense.. No im not trying to ignore the problem of racism, I just try to avoid dumb ass topics like this. "Then why am I posting this up?" 1 reason: The hopes that people just forget about the existing of the problem and flame all ignorant a$$holes. Improve your own life. Racism does not equal happiness at all. I define success as being family oriented,educated,happy, and financially stable. I am yet not successful, but I hope to get there soon. Please, post up something funny or something. Not something that will get people worked up over being black/asian/martian whatever. I am hispanic. beautiful ray of sunshine, mojado, minority, whatever the hell is it that discribes me to you. Thats what I am. I have no hispanic friends. My friends consist of 5 Asians, 1 black, 2 white, 0 hispanics, and 0 canadians. HA! that was funny *canadians* j/k I dont have chicano pride. I was born in NY and I believe in America. Love it. Love what it stands for. I know I'll get flamed for this. For reasons they will state. But hey, it's a free country: Dress accordingly
In the mean time: Peace love and SOoOoOuuuUuUL........

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

favourite restaurant in detroit is soul garden......... good place go there enjoy

 

[Nefrodite]

sorry if i offended you balibabydoc, but i didn't pull that from my ass. I think a year ago the mercury news printed stats on just that. average incomes for different asians. the japanese were the highest if that makes you feel any better

the chinese bit is just from anecdotal evidence

 

[Imdmn04]

asian parents are the most racist people in the world.
maybe your parents gave them the "hurry up and buy" impression?
well if you are really that concerned, then move your business out of the ghetto.
small business takes a lot more time and effort to maintain than a normal job with equal income. not to mention the huge amount of stress involved.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Nef

i agree (i'm korean btw) that koreans are the poorest. there is a reason tho. unlike other asian countries, it isn't the brightest and best that are coming to america. from india or china (communist country forced many of their best out) you get the cream of the crop. from Japan, you get a lot of people with money coming over.

korea it just doesn't work like that. in korea majority of people w/ money or skills stay in korea. Koreans are a bit ethnocentric, let me rephrase that, extremely ethnocentric (some may even say racist). if they had their choice a surprisingly large percentage of koreans would rather live in korea.

anyway, that is the reason. vietnam, slightly different, but a lot of it has to do w/ total lack of capital when they come over.

 

[Pothead]

people have set up the asian race as the model minority...people say to other minorities, "Why can't you be successful like the Asians?" Other races get pissed off...some b/c they have other obligations like religion...

It use to be blacks and whites with whites on top. Then the Asians come in and hover in the middle.

 

[777php]

asian parents are the most racist people in the world

Yeah...I read that in the encyclopedia also....it was under CRASS GENERALIZATION!

 

[Nefrodite]

but thats why its the myth of model minority, many asians are poor, and probably less likely to get help because of this.

 

[cfredc]

Pothead: I usually dont get into these arguements anymore and stay a lurker, but you are really wrong in the part of asians having no religion. Almost all the Vietnamese I know are Catholic and about 50% of the Chinese and Koreans I know of are Christain. And they arent just Christain to the fact that they go to church only on Sunday, but they are active in the community around them. Yes, many asians, including me, are atheists, but so are a lot of other blacks and mexicans. And a lot of hispanics and blacks call themselves christain or relgious, but some of them dont even follow the tenets of their specific religion. So please dont use religion to imply that blacks and mexicans have more to think and do than asians.

 

[glen]

<< Asians and Blacks........why the animosity? >>



Jealousy, Blacks have bigger penises. :Q

 

[drewshin]

well, i think part of the reason is that asians tend to have better family connections that black people, which allows them to open up their own businesses. im sure there are a lot of hard working black people out there that would like to open up their own businesses, but they can't raise enough money.

another thing is that many koreans have had previous experience or have had relatives who have run businesses and have a better understanding of what to do and what not to do, and where to get stuff cheap, etc. many blacks, even if they were to raise the money they need, woulnt have the first clue as to how to run the business successfully.

i dont think a lot of blacks hate asians, they're just not very familiar with them, i live close to south central la, and a lot of them are very friendly and have a good relationship with their black customers, most of the bad ones are either young kids who dont know any better, gangsters, or whinos. i've seen korean owned businesses in white areas, where white people treat them even worse than the worst black people.

 

[mellondust]

I think alot of it has to do with the inner-city mentallity of uneducated and unresponsible people of any race. I will expound on this later becuase I don't have time right now.

 

[Chrono]

DAMN ALL PEOPLE!