Asians and Blacks........why the animosity?

[Chrono]

btw, you can have the largest penis in the world, but without an educated mind, you will go NO WHERE!
LEARN ALL OF YOU!
Whites, Blacks, Asians, hispanics, or whatever
LEARN THE @#$#@$ NOW!
Ignorant people make me sick!

 

[Jimbo]

I have been giving this question some thought today. I wonder how much of the chasm is just flat out a clash of cultures between the first generation FOBs and the ?ghetto? crowd that needs someone to pick on to feel superior.
My personal experience with Asians has generally been positive and I don?t care if they own EVERY corner grocery store in the country. I do have some questions and observations. Please feel free to comment liberally on them especially if I?m way off base.

1. Asian women. I remember on several occasions if I have held the door for them, or held an elevator or whatever, I always get the expressionless 1000-yard stare right back at me. No smile, no thank you, no nothing. Asian guys, no problem.
2. I have yet to meet a stupid or lazy Asian. I just don?t think that God makes them that way.
3. Every Asian male that I have known was relentlessly pestered about almost everything from respect for elders (to a whacky degree) to the actual degree they were to get in college by their parents and sometimes elders. The leash is short.
4. I always got the feeling that the parents of Asian friends that I met were nice and pleasant but secretly wished that their son?s friend were Asian.

 

[Zebo]

<< Asian Racisim:

Being an Indian Asian myself, I think we are more racsts and introverts than most educated whites/blacks. I am not talking about the ghetto blacks/hispanics, the hicks/red necks/ poor illetrate as I hardly know anyone of them.

In high school, I had the highest grades, I was one of the richest kids and I drove an expensive sports car. I could have cared less about what other kids thought about me or my people. Yet, I did not limit my friend circle to people of my race or social status. A little extra effort makes all the difference. And i am glad I did.

First of all, we are the minority. We should mix with the majority. Not vice versa.
America has a culture of its own. We have something different.
The fusion of both these is the best compromise we can have. And America rewards this mix no doubt.

Following this concept, I offer some points for Asian Americans to mix in with the mainstream:

1) Do not date or marry same race girls only. Broaden your horizon. There are treasures all over

2) Speak in English whenever you are in a gathering with multi culture people.

3) Throw parties for your white/black neighbours and invite them for a social lesson of your own culture and vice versa. Be it a sunday barbecue or DIWALI or ID or Bhudda's birthday or Chinese new year or whatever.

4) Get a thorough knowledge and understanding of how everyday things work in US. Knowledge is power.

5) Whenever there is a huge function or event or gatheirng of your own race people, make it a point to call a mainstream media person or digntary or celebrity. Make it look Americana. You will make everyone happy.

6) Socialize in local pubs/bars even if you do not drink and offer drinks to the regulars. Spend some cash making Toms, Jasons, Joes, Smiths and Hoolios beer bellyed. This creates a sense of belonging to the community you live in and you win the respect of all.

7) Get hold of your community leaders and ask them to contribute to local radio/newspapers/TV. Tell america you are with them.


Actually, the Indian community in Westchester, NY has followed these progams and is well integrated into the mainstream.

I see no reason why others cannot. >>



Excellent post. Now if we could only get ALL peole to do this.

 

[classy]

<< it probably has to do with the fact that african americans dont own the businesses, they dont like the fact that asians are making money off of them. Its mostly ignorance and a lack of drive. >>



LOL Why do other races always put us down and tell us we are inferior, but they always want to have a busines in the black community? Ain't there asian communities and white communities? But no they always want to make a buck off the black. And one more thing. Asians have just as many goverment back social programs as blacks. Even more. So stop with this they just work harder bs. They get perks out the rear end. They don't? Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please.

 

[gopunk]

<< but thats why its the myth of model minority, many asians are poor, and probably less likely to get help because of this. >>



it's not really that big of a myth... there are poor asians, but i think they're mostly southeast asians... when you think of the smart asian kid in class, it's usually a chinese, korean, japanese stereotype... not a laotian one or something. people just need to distinguish between the south east asians and the lighter skinned ones to the north west

 

[PlatinumGold]

<< They get perks out the rear end. They don't? Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please.
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it's called COMMUNITY. It's called a group of people getting together and helping EACH other. apparently black people have never heard of such a thing. Puhlease.

obviously i don't believe all black people have never heard of community, but there is some truth to the stereo type that black people over spend on things that are IMAGE and not enough for securing the economic future.

 

[SuperCyrix]

<< LOL Why do other races always put us down and tell us we are inferior, but they always want to have a busines in the black community? Ain't there asian communities and white communities? But no they always want to make a buck off the black. And one more thing. Asians have just as many goverment back social programs as blacks. Even more. So stop with this they just work harder bs. They get perks out the rear end. They don't? Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please.
>>




I take it you're black Classy?
I don't know if your just joking but what you wrote above just backs what the earlier posts said about some blacks being ignorant and think asians are trying to make money off them. your being sarcastic right? You can't possibly mean asians should keep their business in their own neighborhood and out of Black neighborhoods? It's just like the KKK who believe blacks should stay out of their neighborhood. I take it your being totally sarcastic here.



<< Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please >>



Ok, I'm going to explain a concept that many asians here will be familiar with. Asians love to save money. Everybody here knows that is true. Asians don't like to waste money on anything fun. They prefer to save and invest. I'll give everybody here two examples.
When my family first came to this country, we knew this one other chinese family who made a living working in furniture store making furnitures. He saved up his earning by living in a complete dump. Slowly he saved up until he could afford some tools and raw material to start a small time furniture store. As time progress he made money but still he saved it up. He didn't buy a car, he ate badly, and he still lived in a run down apartement with his family even though he was now making pretty decent dough. He kept expanding his business untill today when every member of his house hold is driving a Benz.

I know of this Chef who did the same thing. He saved up enough until he moved to hecksville to open up a chinese restaraunt which was a $5,000 investment. Today, his entire family is doing very well.

I know more but people here get the idea.

 

[Zebo]

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<< LOL Why do other races always put us down and tell us we are inferior, but they always want to have a busines in the black community? Ain't there asian communities and white communities? But no they always want to make a buck off the black. And one more thing. Asians have just as many goverment back social programs as blacks. Even more. So stop with this they just work harder bs. They get perks out the rear end. They don't? Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please.
>>




I take it you're black Classy?
I don't know if your just joking but what you wrote above just backs what the earlier posts said about some blacks being ignorant and think asians are trying to make money off them. your being sarcastic right? You can't possibly mean asians should keep their business in their own neighborhood and out of Black neighborhoods? It's just like the KKK who believe blacks should stay out of their neighborhood. I take it your being totally sarcastic here.



<< Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please >>



Ok, I'm going to explain a concept that many asians here will be familiar with. Asians love to save money. Everybody here knows that is true. Asians don't like to waste money on anything fun. They prefer to save and invest. I'll give everybody here two examples.
When my family first came to this country, we knew this one other chinese family who made a living working in furniture store making furnitures. He saved up his earning by living in a complete dump. Slowly he saved up until he could afford some tools and raw material to start a small time furniture store. As time progress he made money but still he saved it up. He didn't buy a car, he ate badly, and he still lived in a run down apartement with his family even though he was now making pretty decent dough. He kept expanding his business untill today when every member of his house hold is driving a Benz.

I know of this Chef who did the same thing. He saved up enough until he moved to hecksville to open up a chinese restaraunt which was a $5,000 investment. Today, his entire family is doing very well.

I know more but people here get the idea. >>



Shhhhhhh. Don't be telling these kids that today; they deserve it all right now. If you can't buy it cash charge it! The'll all be makin bank when they graduate college! LOL Work long hours? Save? blah... that's old fashioned and outmoated.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Different looks, different habits, easy to scapegoat people who don't have too much in common with you. You don't want to make someone who has too much in common a scapegoat, that might rub off on you.

A lot of those Asian businesses are run by people who work from 5 to 9, while Blacks are used to the usual 9 to 5 jobs. Work harder and longer, spend less, and you'll (usually) make a decent amount of money. Same with the Jews, and the hate from the Nazis towards them: They are used to working hard and long, and therefor tend to be more succesful than your average unemployed, uneducated Nazi. The Nazi, who's living on welfare, wants those riches too and decides that the Jews are living off his expenses, and that he'd be rich too if it wasn't for them. Asian, especially the Japanese culture is just like the Jewish very much based on working hard.

Success is always a good reason to hate someone, just like riches. And to turn it around: A lot of those with money and success are afraid of losing it to those without, and hate them for that reason.

 

[superkeith]

<< Asian Racisim:

Being an Indian Asian myself, I think we are more racsts and introverts than most educated whites/blacks. I am not talking about the ghetto blacks/hispanics, the hicks/red necks/ poor illetrate as I hardly know anyone of them.

In high school, I had the highest grades, I was one of the richest kids and I drove an expensive sports car. I could have cared less about what other kids thought about me or my people. Yet, I did not limit my friend circle to people of my race or social status. A little extra effort makes all the difference. And i am glad I did.

First of all, we are the minority. We should mix with the majority. Not vice versa.
America has a culture of its own. We have something different.
The fusion of both these is the best compromise we can have. And America rewards this mix no doubt.

Following this concept, I offer some points for Asian Americans to mix in with the mainstream:

5) Whenever there is a huge function or event or gatheirng of your own race people, make it a point to call a mainstream media person or digntary or celebrity. Make it look Americana. You will make everyone happy.

Actually, the Indian community in Westchester, NY has followed these progams and is well integrated into the mainstream.

I see no reason why others cannot. >>




i see your point, but the more i think about it the more i disagree. yes, i believe that taking the extra effort to promote cultural understanding has the potential to reduce racial/cultural tensions in our neighborhoods. this is a good thing. however, complete and compulsory assimilation into the mainstream is not the solution and should not even be considered a goal.

we must not homogenize immigrant cultures by creating a template for THE american lifestyle. as it is, none such exists. stifling the cultural traditions of an individual, expressed as s/he sees fit, is tantamount to institutionalized identity theft. this loss of self is a direct assault upon the the concept of individual freedoms that this country so proudly, and deservedly so, exudes. america's strength lies in its embrace of diversity, not universal acceptace of a single britney spears pop culture (read elusive mainstream.)

 

[Burnt]

2. I have yet to meet a stupid or lazy Asian. I just don?t think that God makes them that way.

Yeah, that's probably me. Stupid and lazy.

 

[chuckieland]

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<< it probably has to do with the fact that african americans dont own the businesses, they dont like the fact that asians are making money off of them. Its mostly ignorance and a lack of drive. >>



LOL Why do other races always put us down and tell us we are inferior, but they always want to have a busines in the black community? Ain't there asian communities and white communities? But no they always want to make a buck off the black. And one more thing. Asians have just as many goverment back social programs as blacks. Even more. So stop with this they just work harder bs. They get perks out the rear end. They don't? Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please. >>



nobody is putting anybody down, maybe in the heat of agrument people say things that they didn't mean.
how do you know there ain't asian store in asian or white communities?
because there are just as many goverment back social programs for asian as the black, doesn't mean there are just as many asian on welfare cheque, i can't speak for all asian, but generally speaking. for asian, it is shame to be on welfare cheque
asian did rather be working for below mini wage, working long hour and live in poor condition place then getting welfare cheque.
because for asian working low pay, low class job is no shame, at least i earn my living. but on welfware is be a social bump, and it is disgrace
for black, it's vice versa way of thinking, because black are generally street smart. "why turn down free money, when you qualify it"
back in high schooli have used to heard alot black kids bragging about how the government is so easily fool.

Classy, as to your final question,
the broke immigrant did not just arrive in boat and open store up right away
they first work long hour, and min wage. and they save the money up
many years of all work and no play, and saving. they manage to run a small business
as business start making money, it tend become bigger business

 

[abc]

u make a point chuckieland about taking advantage of the govt. in handouts... see, it's that 'something for nothing' attitude that stems from IMHO sitting on your ass laziness whereas you don't see that mentality that much at all from the Asian immigrant community.

 

[Howard]

In general, how many asian families do you see on welfare? Black families?

 

[abc]

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<< it probably has to do with the fact that african americans dont own the businesses, they dont like the fact that asians are making money off of them. Its mostly ignorance and a lack of drive. >>

LOL Why do other races always put us down and tell us we are inferior, but they always want to have a busines in the black community? Ain't there asian communities and white communities? But no they always want to make a buck off the black. And one more thing. Asians have just as many goverment back social programs as blacks. Even more. So stop with this they just work harder bs. They get perks out the rear end. They don't? Explain to me then how a broke immigrant can get money to start a business? Please. >>




i dont think they 'want' to have a business in a black community, (magic johnson is a notable exception though buy he's not Asian AND he's prob. not the only investor), but by in large IMHO if they had a choice they'd FRANKLY RATHER NOT have a business there but I'm sure one typical reason is because the RENT IS CHEAP cuz like gee, the neighborhood isn't that great on average. And so one can have more to save. I think ideally once enough is saved the business owner - grocery or funky takeout business does contemplate moving to a better place/area. And if this happens the shop is sometimes sold to somebody he/she knows or a friend's friend friend whatever, or sold to the dishwasher boy who saved up... the next immigrant that wants to better him/herself so to speak. So it's like a cycle, but the store sign probably stays the same (save money - and bodegas do this too) but the owners change. Hey all this is not hard to understand, it's common sense, there's no government kickbacks for them like you think, it's saving / borrowing from family etc.

And another thing, non-asian homeowners who have a place to rent out would sometimes verbally admit that they'd rather rent out to Asians if it's not gonna be their own kind... why? Because they know we promote piece and quiet when we reside at home vs. other 'non - whites' shall i label, AND more importantly, WE ARE DEPENDABLE OVERALL IN HONORING THE RENT. Hey, this is just what i've been told in all my years here.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

1. Asian women. I remember on several occasions if I have held the door for them, or held an elevator or whatever, I always get the expressionless 1000-yard stare right back at me. No smile, no thank you, no nothing. Asian guys, no problem.
2. I have yet to meet a stupid or lazy Asian. I just don?t think that God makes them that way.
3. Every Asian male that I have known was relentlessly pestered about almost everything from respect for elders (to a whacky degree) to the actual degree they were to get in college by their parents and sometimes elders. The leash is short.
4. I always got the feeling that the parents of Asian friends that I met were nice and pleasant but secretly wished that their son?s friend were Asian.

1) It's a rare occasion that anyone doesn't acknowledge someone holding a door; regardless of gender or race. Then again I live in the South and we're just more cultured.

2) You need to get out more. I know plenty of stupid and lazy Asians. The vast majority came from advantaged households and were Japanese, Korean, or Chinese. I also know some quite talented Asians; the majority came from advantaged households and were Japanese, Korean, or Chinese. Your flaw in assessment can be attributed to Misinterpretation of Incomplete and Unrepresentative Data.

3) The short leash phenomena does appear to be more prominent in Asian households. Then again one of the most wonderful households I know has produced three lawyers and neither mom nor dad ever pressured; they just supported.

4) I concur that some Asian parents really have issues. Then again some white, black, hispanic, and native american families have issues too. Outside of the incorrigible few that are racist, many will respond well when they get to know you. You would have to live under rock to believe our society is not prejudice. And most parents want their child to have every advantage and no liabilities. But if you are a friend (or significant other) worth having the majority come around . . . eventually.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Position 2 above is indicative of my bias. I don't know many poor people well. I know more poor whites than blacks. But demographics are dynamic. Black middle-classes that would feed into upward mobility has only recently been relatively released from external constraints. In the South, even if you ignore slavery and Jim Crow, you still have to face policies that produced profound handicaps. For instance, other than MJ the most profitable cash crop is tobacco. But you can't just go drop some plants on your land then sell the product. The allotment system determined how much you can grow regardless of how much you want to grow. Do you think allotments were equitably distributed? If you wanted to grow other crops do you think aid from the USDA was equitably distributed by local farm bureaus? The top state universities in NC are 82% in-state residents and for a state that is now just barely more urban than rural where do you think they came from . . . the farm. Families with resources advance more children to higher education and those children are subsequently more successful (historically) than other peers.

My point is many of you take stats and compile them into perspectives that you THINK demonstrate facts and causal relationships. People believe the asian intelligence phenomena or black underachievement and develop ad hoc hypothesis for explaining them. Good scholarship in this arena is sparse but as I note above if your examination does not have historical and sociodemographic context the output is likely erroneous. You don't prove causation; at best you just show a relationship of uncertain significance.

I believe Nefrodite was excerpting the Mercury Star News(?) . . . well your sample will determine your outcome. And when you are dealing with an immigrant minority population representative samples require a lot of work.