"Ashamed to be an American"

[Geekbabe]

One of the nicest things about living here is that you can openly write about being ashamed of living here. I don't agree with him but am very glad we all have that freedom..

 

[incallisto]

"Whenever I call my family in Hebron, I'm full of shame. The F-16s, the Apaches, the bullets, the gunships and the tanks that surround them are either manufactured in the United States or are paid for by the American taxayer, myself included. I feel directly responsible for the killing of my own people." - from the article.

If you consider terrorists your people, then I can only encourage you to return to Hebron. You will not be missed.

 

[StageLeft]

<< If you consider terrorists your people, then I can only encourage you to return to Hebron. You will not be missed. >>

Regardless of stance on this issue don't try and deny the fact that innocent civilians are being killed on BOTH sides of this conflict.

 

[Balt]

In my opinion, 99.9% of Op-Ed pieces are total crap to begin with.

That's why I usually ignore them, they are the ultimate source of sensationalism, spin, and misinformation.

Don't take them seriously and you'll be a lot happier. You can find people who will support ANY position.

 

[Turkey]

Hm... so I'm reading, and I notice: if you just replace "security" with "a nation," "US govt." with "PLO," "US weapons" with "Iranian weapons," and swap most of the "Palestines" and "Israels," you'd get pretty good Israeli propaganda.

 

[wnied]

...If you're stupid and living in a hut and have a crappy life it doesn't take much for somebody to give you what you consider hope.

Skoorb

With that theory in mind... explain to me why the September 11th Attacks took place? Once these dirtbags were in the U.S. and saw the education and opprotunity afforded them, and the possibility that they could use it to help theyre people: Why they didnt do it? Why is it that hundreds upon thousands of Palestinian and arab peoples living in america still support the cause of the PLO?

~wnied~

 

[incallisto]

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<< If you consider terrorists your people, then I can only encourage you to return to Hebron. You will not be missed. >>

Regardless of stance on this issue don't try and deny the fact that innocent civilians are being killed on BOTH sides of this conflict. >>



Indeed, innocent civilians are dying on both sides of the conflict.

 

[Jimbo]

<< The F-16s, the Apaches, the bullets, the gunships and the tanks that surround them are either manufactured in the United States or are paid for by the American taxayer, myself included. >>



You have to hand it to the Israelis; they know quality hardware when they see it!

 

[yllus]

<< F him and everybody that looks like him. >>

uh, what? Want to run that by me again?

I think the lot of you are hugely overreacting. I don't see where being ashamed of being an American citizen comes into play and why the White House should NOT be "flagrantly indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians" - as if we have total political control over a sovereign nation - but this is hardly traitorous talk. Should he cut off all ties back to where he was born when he takes the oath of citizenship? As much as some of you would seem to like, you're not magically reborn when you become an American.

 

[Viper GTS]

<<

<< F him and everybody that looks like him. >>

uh, what? Want to run that by me again?

I think the lot of you are hugely overreacting. I don't see where being ashamed of being an American citizen comes into play and why the White House should NOT be "flagrantly indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians" - as if we have total political control over a sovereign nation - but this is hardly traitorous talk. Should he cut off all ties back to where he was born when he takes the oath of citizenship? As much as some of you would seem to like, you're not magically reborn when you become an American. >>



We're not accusing him of being a traitor, we simply want him to stand by his words.

If you're so ashamed of being here, fine. Sell all your evil american stuff, buy a one way ticket back, & never be ashamed again.

If you're not standing in line at the pawn shop to do that, STFU.

Viper GTS

 

[exp]

*yawn* There is nothing here Americans haven't heard before. Hypocrites like Osama are all the same: continuously whining that the US is a meddling busybody, bullies smaller nations, should mind its own business, blah blah blah...then one day its *their* nation that needs bailing out and all we hear is "HELP HELP HELP!!! The US has a "moral responsibility" (<--LOL) to save our worthless, suicide bombing behinds! How can you be so cruel and indifferent!!!!"

This act is getting tiresome...either you want the US to police the world or you want it to stay out; make up your damn minds or keep your thoughts to yourself.

 

[ViperXX]

When you become an American citizen you pledge your alligence to this country. You can not serve two masters as the bible says. He is not serving America and he needs to pack his sh!t and return back to Gaza or the West bank..

 

[Texmaster]

Two years ago, I became an American citizen.

I come from the town of Hebron on the West Bank.

Gee this guy isn't going to a have a bias

<< say don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out >>



AMEN to that!

And of course, no acknowledgement of SPECIFICALLY TARGETED Israeli civilians by his own people using children to blow themselves up.

What a shocker.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< *yawn* There is nothing here Americans haven't heard before. Hypocrites like Osama are all the same: continuously whining that the US is a meddling busybody, bullies smaller nations, should mind its own business, blah blah blah...then one day its *their* nation that needs bailing out and all we hear is "HELP HELP HELP!!! The US has a "moral responsibility" (<--LOL) to save our worthless, suicide bombing behinds! How can you be so cruel and indifferent!!!!"

This act is getting tiresome...either you want the US to police the world or you want it to stay out; make up your damn minds or keep your thoughts to yourself. >>


Ahhh...well said

 

[Texmaster]

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<< The F-16s, the Apaches, the bullets, the gunships and the tanks that surround them are either manufactured in the United States or are paid for by the American taxayer, myself included. >>



You have to hand it to the Israelis; they know quality hardware when they see it! >>



HAHAHA

 

[Hossenfeffer]

<< F him and everybody that looks like him >>

You have chosen... poorly.

<< One of the nicest things about living here is that you can openly write about being ashamed of living here. I don't agree with him but am very glad we all have that freedom.. >>

Well put, baffled.
Our government is by the people, for the people and he's one of the people, like it or not. He has every right to be ashamed.


<< Indeed, innocent civilians are dying on both sides of the conflict >>


As skewed as his view may be, he has ties to folks that actually experience what goes down there (as opposed the vast majority of us). We also see a skewed view of the situation in the Middle East.

<< I don't expect ordinary Americans who were born and raised in this country to understand my viewpoint. They have no memories of a childhood marred by oppression and scenes of occupation. Their families live in relative peace and tranquility. If they call other family members, the conversation probably doesn't revolve around who was shot today, or arrested today, or maimed today, or displaced today. The media footage Americans receive from the Middle East hardly portrays the Israeli brutality, but does accentuate the suicide bombings committed by Palestinians against Israeli civilians. >>

There is some truth to these statements.

Heard a tidbit on NPR last night that said Israel is the #1 recipient of US Foreign Aid and Congress is being lobbied to provide another $200 million. "The US is still Israel's best friend". (And Hoss still doesn't see the whole picture)

 

[Zebo]

So what? He is Arab you know.

I ashamed of these American businesses who recently "found" patriotism after 9-11 and display American flags/logos but continue to move factories/jobs overseas. Put you money where your mouth is. Shame on you.

 

[UberDave]

grrrr..... "sending billions of dollars to Is. with weapons" .....how many billions of dollars do we have? lol
also in response to "The palistinians have been under sufferage for 18 years by Is. troops..." MAYBE IF YOU DIDNT TERRORIZE THE NATION THEY WOULDNT BE SO PISSED OFF AND COME AFTER YOU F*CKS!


/grrr....

 

[Mani]

<< yawn* There is nothing here Americans haven't heard before. Hypocrites like Osama are all the same: continuously whining that the US is a meddling busybody, bullies smaller nations, should mind its own business, blah blah blah...then one day its *their* nation that needs bailing out and all we hear is "HELP HELP HELP!!! The US has a "moral responsibility" (<--LOL) to save our worthless, suicide bombing behinds! How can you be so cruel and indifferent!!!!"

This act is getting tiresome...either you want the US to police the world or you want it to stay out; make up your damn minds or keep your thoughts to yourself. >>


Not that I agree with him, but I don't think you entirely got his point. He's decrying our support of Israel and lack thereof for Palestine. I don't think he'd be bitching if we didn't show Israel any support either.

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< yawn* There is nothing here Americans haven't heard before. Hypocrites like Osama are all the same: continuously whining that the US is a meddling busybody, bullies smaller nations, should mind its own business, blah blah blah...then one day its *their* nation that needs bailing out and all we hear is "HELP HELP HELP!!! The US has a "moral responsibility" (<--LOL) to save our worthless, suicide bombing behinds! How can you be so cruel and indifferent!!!!"

This act is getting tiresome...either you want the US to police the world or you want it to stay out; make up your damn minds or keep your thoughts to yourself. >>


Not that I agree with him, but I don't think you entirely got his point. He's decrying our support of Israel and lack thereof for Palestine. I don't think he'd be bitching if we didn't show Israel any support either. >>




Clinton gave Palestine 90% of what they wanted in a treaty and they turned it down.

What is your answer to that?

 

[tsunek]

there were some very big issues that were not addressed during the oslo round two peace talks. one of which was water security for the palestinains. ISrael was not willing to give the palestinains control over any of the water resoursces in the west bank. This ary being rather dry makes this a big issure. Another one is the refugee issue which is of huge importance to the palestinain people. i do not think that arafat could have sighned peace agreement that did not provide for the eventual return of palestinain refugees. HIs people would not accept it.

People have the right to there own opinion in this country

if you don't like that then maybe you should not let the door hit you on the way out

 

[etech]

Another one is the refugee issue which is of huge importance to the palestinain people. i do not think that arafat could have sighned peace agreement that did not provide for the eventual return of palestinain refugees. HIs people would not accept it.


His "people" had better get used to the idea. There is no way that Israel is going to let 6 million Palestinians into Israel. The can settle in Palestine or any of the other Arab countries but not Israel.

It's too bad the other Arab countries have kept them in poor refugee camps and lied that one day they would return. If only they would have accepted them and helped them instead of fostering the hate for Israel the situation would be much better now.

 

[tsunek]

i know israel is probably not going to let them back in people have to realise how important the issue is

my cousin did medical work in one of them . absolutely awful

 

[etech]

tsunek

Don't you think it is time for those in the refugee camps to realize that Israel is not going to let them return and make other plans? Or is it that the other Arab countries still want to use them as pawns and like the situation the way it is?

 

[exp]

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<< This act is getting tiresome...either you want the US to police the world or you want it to stay out; make up your damn minds or keep your thoughts to yourself >>


Not that I agree with him, but I don't think you entirely got his point. He's decrying our support of Israel and lack thereof for Palestine. I don't think he'd be bitching if we didn't show Israel any support either. >>

That is certainly one way of interpreting his ravings. However, under the current status quo America happens to be selling weapons to Israel (and to the Arab states for that matter). If the US was to withdraw that business in response to the current crisis, as Osama advocates, it would effectively be punishing Israel and supporting the Palestinians. That qualifies as a police function, I would say, and is exactly the kind of "meddling" that America is so often criticized for. A truly neutral US would continue along its present course by making policy decisions indepedent of what is "fair" or "good". Clearly that would not be a desirable situation in Osama's opinion (FWIW).