As a Republican how do you defend voter suppression?

[Socio]

OooH! Xenophobic fearmongering! Extrapolation from facts not in evidence with innuendo! OMFG! It's a Conspiracy!

You're so fucking lame that it defies the imagination.

An individual immigrant has nothing to gain from voting illegally, and everything to lose, like being imprisoned & then deported. I'm sure it happens in rare instances, and I'm equally sure that very, very few people are quite that stupid, yourself excluded.

They have plenty to gain, i.e. free stuff, lax immigration enforcement and of course amnesty:

Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers

http://youtu.be/ILJDudUpct0

Florida investigation reveals 180,000 non-citizens may be registered to vote

http://www.redstate.com/california_...80000-non-citizens-may-be-registered-to-vote/

That is just one State and if they took the time to register I would bet most are taking the time to vote as well

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Where is the effort put into absentee voting fraud? Most of the cases of election fraud deal with absentee ballots and voter registration. Why am I hearing crickets regarding absentee voters potentially voting in two places?

I know in Texas you must be registered to vote before you can request/receive an absentee ballot.

 

[keird]

I feel so suppressed. I had to show a photo ID when I registered to vote the first time in 1976 (Virginia) and again when I registered to vote after moving to Texas in 2008.

I was suppressed, too. I returned home from Afghanistan this year and tried to vote in the primary elections. My name wasn't on the registered voter list anymore. Because I served my country in war I missed my town's annual census and I was dropped from the voter list.

I had to turn 90 degrees and show my drivers license to some guy at another table so that I could vote! It's a fucking outrage!

Also, my town requires the number of cats and dogs in my household. I guess that they won't be able to vote either.

 

[Jhhnn]

Is the air too light up there in Denver? You make all of these assumptions and then rail against them as if they are true. You're doing the exact same thing with these voter IDs as you are accusing me of. You're pathetic.

My assumptions?

I assume that current efforts to protect the integrity of elections are adequate, with perhaps the exception of proprietary black box electronic voting machines.

Truth be told, nobody has offered any proof to the contrary, proof that voter fraud occurs at a level sufficient to warrant "strict voter ID". You simply believe that there might be, and are willing to pooh-pooh concerns about disenfranchisement, just as your leadership wants you to do.

I like to apply Blackstone's formulation to the issue of voting-

better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer

A citizen's right to vote, to be free of onerous requirements, is very much like their right to be free. I'll go so far as to say that if you can't vote, if you can't participate in Democracy, then you're not really free at all.

While it seems easy to you to do what it takes to have valid state issued picture ID, that's not true for everybody. If you'd actually read links, you'd find examples of that. They're Americans, too.

 

[Jhhnn]

They have plenty to gain, i.e. free stuff, lax immigration enforcement and of course amnesty:



http://youtu.be/ILJDudUpct0



http://www.redstate.com/california_...80000-non-citizens-may-be-registered-to-vote/

That is just one State and if they took the time to register I would bet most are taking the time to vote as well

Vast Numbers! May be registered to vote, in Florida!

I think Florida's wounds are self inflicted, if they're wounds at all. Tell me, do these people have picture ID, or not? If they do, then what would requiring picture ID to vote do to stop them, pray tell?

Oh, wait, it wouldn't, would it?

I'm all in favor of prosecuting people who vote illegally, and I'm not responsible for Florida officialdom feigning helplessness, either.

The rest? Explain how voting illegally gets you free stuff, lax immigration & amnesty.... The Obama Admin has deported illegals at a higher rate than the Bush Admin ever did-

As of July, Obama deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants since the beginning of his administration — that’s 1.5 times more immigrants on average than Bush deported every month, according to official numbers from the Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...han-bush-republicans-dont-think-thats-enough/

Which means that illegal voters should vote Republican if what you claim has any meaning at all...

 

[NoStateofMind]

"As a Republican how do you defend voter suppression?"

Voting doesn't work anyways. /thread

 

[NetGuySC]

If you feel that a library card is good enough to vote with it, is that same library card sufficient anywhere else requiring identification.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you feel that a library card is good enough to vote with it, is that same library card sufficient anywhere else requiring identification.

OOOoohhh! Strawman!

So predictable.

 

[NetGuySC]

OOOoohhh! Strawman!

So predictable.

yet no answer.. so predictable

 

[Jhhnn]

yet no answer.. so predictable

Has anybody offered that a library card is sufficient ID to vote? No? Then why ask that loaded & immaterial question, other than as a means to deny what has been said?

 

[NetGuySC]

If you feel that no id be required to do something as important as voting, then why require id for any other government function or entity?

 

[buckshot24]

My assumptions?

I assume that current efforts to protect the integrity of elections are adequate, with perhaps the exception of proprietary black box electronic voting machines.

Some state law makers disagree.

Truth be told, nobody has offered any proof to the contrary, proof that voter fraud occurs at a level sufficient to warrant "strict voter ID". You simply believe that there might be, and are willing to pooh-pooh concerns about disenfranchisement, just as your leadership wants you to do.

I'm tired of treating people like children. Get a fucking photo ID if you want to vote. It isn't that hard. Perhaps if you can't get a photo ID you shouldn't vote anyway. What is the price of citizenship? Get an ID. If you don't like it then move to a state that doesn't have such requirements.

I like to apply Blackstone's formulation to the issue of voting-



A citizen's right to vote, to be free of onerous requirements, is very much like their right to be free. I'll go so far as to say that if you can't vote, if you can't participate in Democracy, then you're not really free at all.

Get a fucking ID! You can vote.

While it seems easy to you to do what it takes to have valid state issued picture ID, that's not true for everybody. If you'd actually read links, you'd find examples of that. They're Americans, too.

I'm sure there are but why should everybody be dumbed down to a single common denominator? What is the price of citizenship?

Get an ID if you want to vote. No excuse.

 

[Socio]

The rest? Explain how voting illegally gets you free stuff, lax immigration & amnesty....

The easy answer is they vote Democrat, they support welfare for illegals;

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/01/o...mote-food-stamp-use-among-mexican-immigrants/

Department of Agriculture personnel in the Obama administration have met with Mexican Government officials dozens of times since the president took office to promote nutrition assistance programs — notably food stamps — among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America.

They support, amnesty, the dream act, police not getting to ask for citizenship during arrests, selective deportation etc...

 

[Jhhnn]

If you feel that no id be required to do something as important as voting, then why require id for any other government function or entity?

More strawman.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Does anyone on the right honestly believe that the voter ID laws being put forth by Republican governors and state legislatures are anything but an attempt to stifle the poor and minority vote that overwhelming vote Democratic?

Does anyone truly and honestly believe that these laws randomly sprung up a few months before election day because the GOP is actually concerned about stopping voter fraud? I want to meet that person because there is literally no one dumber in this country.

 

[ivwshane]

Does anyone on the right honestly believe that the voter ID laws being put forth by Republican governors and state legislatures are anything but an attempt to stifle the poor and minority vote that overwhelming vote Democratic?

Does anyone truly and honestly believe that these laws randomly sprung up a few months before election day because the GOP is actually concerned about stopping voter fraud? I want to meet that person because there is literally no one dumber in this country.

Buckshot fits that description

 

[Jhhnn]

Some state law makers disagree.

I'm tired of treating people like children. Get a fucking photo ID if you want to vote. It isn't that hard. Perhaps if you can't get a photo ID you shouldn't vote anyway. What is the price of citizenship? Get an ID. If you don't like it then move to a state that doesn't have such requirements.

Get a fucking ID! You can vote.

I'm sure there are but why should everybody be dumbed down to a single common denominator? What is the price of citizenship?

Get an ID if you want to vote. No excuse.

That's right- when you might have to question your own assumptions to actually make sense, just double down on an absolutist position, yell a little louder, tell 'em to eat cake. That'll fix everything.

Looking at it logically, it seems to me that advocates of strict photo ID for voting do not make a prima facia case for it.

Why do we need it? Voter Fraud!

Sounds great, until we find out that such fraud is vanishingly rare, an utterly insignificant % of votes cast.

So we look at the other consequences, like disenfranchisement, the potential for which is obviously large or the courts wouldn't have stricken down many of the proposed measures.

Your answer? Fuck 'em if they don't have picture ID! They don't deserve the Right to Vote!

How very, very authoritarian of you, and how utterly Un-American that is you'll probably never appreciate.

NIce half baked rant about the price of citizenship, too- there is a price, but having picture ID isn't part of it, not until we get to the "Papers, please" state of organization that Righties seem to crave quite desperately.

 

[irishScott]

Being against free voter ID is as dumb as being against gay marriage.

OP, weren't you that guy who donated a few hundred dollars to Obama 4 years ago and thought it gave him bragging rights? That was a hilarious thread.

 

[irishScott]

Does anyone on the right honestly believe that the voter ID laws being put forth by Republican governors and state legislatures are anything but an attempt to stifle the poor and minority vote that overwhelming vote Democratic?

Does anyone truly and honestly believe that these laws randomly sprung up a few months before election day because the GOP is actually concerned about stopping voter fraud? I want to meet that person because there is literally no one dumber in this country.

You mean like when the Florida Democrats called for the Republican party to no longer be allowed to register voters within weeks of the registration deadline, while allowing everyone else to continue?

http://news.yahoo.com/voter-registration-problems-widening-florida-154156242--election.html

Your party does it too. But that's OK, you'll rationalize it away and cheer for your true-blue football team; with visions of Republicans raping poor people dancing in your head.

 

[Jhhnn]

Does anyone on the right honestly believe that the voter ID laws being put forth by Republican governors and state legislatures are anything but an attempt to stifle the poor and minority vote that overwhelming vote Democratic?

Does anyone truly and honestly believe that these laws randomly sprung up a few months before election day because the GOP is actually concerned about stopping voter fraud? I want to meet that person because there is literally no one dumber in this country.

It's a function of identity politics & denial, of conspiracy theory & hatred of anybody who's not among the faithful.

Righties, in general, are deeply, deeply authoritarian, basically demanding to be led in both thought & deed. Their leadership obliges, and they follow on the basis of faith. They believe because they refuse to examine their own values & assumptions.

Colbert's whole analysis of "Truthiness" is utterly profound, explaining it quite well-

Truthiness is, ‘What I say is right, and [nothing] anyone else says could possibly be true.’ It’s not only that I feel it to be true, but that *I* feel it to be true. There’s not only an emotional quality, but there’s a selfish quality.

It has a positive side, too, expressed as loyalty, steadfastness, faithfulness, even devotion in their personal lives.

 

[Jhhnn]

You mean like when the Florida Democrats called for the Republican party to no longer be allowed to register voters within weeks of the registration deadline, while allowing everyone else to continue?

http://news.yahoo.com/voter-registration-problems-widening-florida-154156242--election.html

Your party does it too. But that's OK, you'll rationalize it away and cheer for your true-blue football team; with visions of Republicans raping poor people dancing in your head.

More strawman.

And, uhh, your link doesn't say what you think it says, at all.

 

[cybrsage]

Colbert's whole analysis of "Truthiness" is utterly profound, explaining it quite well-

Colbert is a comedian - and not a very good one. If not for The Daily Show coming on before his, no one would eve know who Colbert was...

 

[cybrsage]

Of course I do.

You support voter registration - which obviously suppresses the votes of those who are citizens but simply did not register to vote.

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT VOTER SUPPRESSION?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

You mean like when the Florida Democrats called for the Republican party to no longer be allowed to register voters within weeks of the registration deadline, while allowing everyone else to continue?

http://news.yahoo.com/voter-registration-problems-widening-florida-154156242--election.html

Your party does it too. But that's OK, you'll rationalize it away and cheer for your true-blue football team; with visions of Republicans raping poor people dancing in your head.

Your link does not say what you think it does.

At any rate, you're deflecting and not answering the question I'm asking. Do you honestly and sincerely believe the GOP is doing this for any reason other than stopping poor and minorities from voting?

 

[cybrsage]

It is obvious the GOP is trying to stop the dead and illegals from voting democrat. The GOP in PA already said that stopping the dead and illegals from voting democrat will hurt Obama's chances of winning the election. Jhhnn loves to remind everyone of this on a continual basis - which is odd. I would have thought he would want to hide such things and pretend the dems are not relying on votes from the dead and illegals.