As a Republican how do you defend voter suppression?

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marincounty

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What are the chances that Republicans would support a direct popular vote for president?
Slim, because Al Gore got more votes than GWB and should have been president.
But this would give everyone a chance to have their vote count.
 

Jhhnn

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As a Republican in California my presidential vote counts for nothing since it's a winner take all electoral State. What are the chances that the State which is controlled by Democrats will allow a district electoral count such as Nebraska has? You tell me.

http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/me_ne.htm

Don't tar Dems with that. The only attempts in other states to do that have been dishonest, as in Pennsylvania. Afraid their boy may lose in their state, they want to split their electoral college votes so he'll win at the national level... It's not like they want the President elected by popular vote, at all. Dubya never would have been Prez. They like the advantage that the electoral college affords them in less populous & more conservative states-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
 

buckshot24

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What are the chances that Republicans would support a direct popular vote for president?
Slim, because Al Gore got more votes than GWB and should have been president.
But this would give everyone a chance to have their vote count.
The problem with this is that if Bush knew ahead of time that he needed more popular votes he would have run an entirely different campaign (Gore too). Scoring the game by a different point system after the fact isn't a very good way to go about things.

I think proportional EC votes would be a good thing.
 

dmcowen674

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As a Republican how do you defend voter suppression?

Honestly this is perhaps the most sickening and disgusting thing I've ever seen in my lifetime in regards to politics.

If the Democratic party EVER engaged in practice like this, I would drop support for them in an instance. I could NEVER in good conscience vote for a party that was so blatantly and actively trying to suppress minorities and lower income folks from voting.

And please, for the love of God, don't give me this BS about voter fraud. We know from statistics that voter fraud hovers around something like .000001%. It is a statistical non-factor in every sense. These voter ID laws and attempts to restrict early voting are nothing more than an attempt by Republicans to stifle the minority and low income vote, that is always predominantly Democratic.

This is something we should all be in unison against as Americans. This is treason.

As evidenced by the Republican replies and support of voter suppression in here they would do anything to re-gain power.

Like I said I can never understand why any woman would vote Republican.

Guys I could see because they are just greedy bloodsucking bastards that are destroying the country.

It's money over Country and people for them.
 

boomerang

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Honestly this is perhaps the most sickening and disgusting thing I've ever seen in my lifetime in regards to politics.

If the Democratic party EVER engaged in practice like this, I would drop support for them in an instance. I could NEVER in good conscience vote for a party that was so blatantly and actively trying to suppress minorities and lower income folks from voting.

And please, for the love of God, don't give me this BS about voter fraud. We know from statistics that voter fraud hovers around something like .000001%. It is a statistical non-factor in every sense. These voter ID laws and attempts to restrict early voting are nothing more than an attempt by Republicans to stifle the minority and low income vote, that is always predominantly Democratic.

This is something we should all be in unison against as Americans. This is treason.
Got proof of voter suppression? Can you show statistics with measurable and meaningful examples of voter suppression?
 

Socio

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Looks like the Libs called in the UN to help them

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group

United Nations-affiliated election monitors from Europe and central Asia will be at polling places around the U.S. looking for voter suppression activities by conservative groups, a concern raised by civil rights groups during a meeting this week. The intervention has drawn criticism from a prominent conservative-leaning group combating election fraud.

If I was Romney and I got elected one of the first things I would do it pull America out of that useless organization.

There will not be any suppression activities by conservative groups, other the desire that voter ID laws be enforced where applicable. I am afraid this will be nothing but a screen for liberal suppression activities and vote fraud.

I am predicting this is going to be the ugliest election in US history.
 

Jhhnn

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Looks like the Libs called in the UN to help them

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group



If I was Romney and I got elected one of the first things I would do it pull America out of that useless organization.

There will not be any suppression activities by conservative groups, other the desire that voter ID laws be enforced where applicable. I am afraid this will be nothing but a screen for liberal suppression activities and vote fraud.

I am predicting this is going to be the ugliest election in US history.

We ought to be proud & eager to show off our electoral system to the world, to be the best at honest, open & inclusive Democracy.

If we're not, maybe we're just fooling ourselves.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Denial, the perfect shelter.

Many of the efforts by Repubs have been stricken down in the courts, precisely because they attempt voter suppression.

And you still beat your wife. This appears to be voter suppression because you say it is. Your way of stirring the pot. Tell us how many eligible for medicaid don't get it because they can't get a card. That should be good. This is begging the question on a massive scale.
 

NetGuySC

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If we should not require that a person show an id to vote, then why force a person to show identification for anything?
 

soundforbjt

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I'm curious as to why (during the repub primaries), they don't require ID's to vote.

I'm sure it's because it's only dems who commit voter fraud right?
 

Jhhnn

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And you still beat your wife. This appears to be voter suppression because you say it is. Your way of stirring the pot. Tell us how many eligible for medicaid don't get it because they can't get a card. That should be good. This is begging the question on a massive scale.

Excuse me, but why else would the courts have stricken down various Repub/ALEC sponsored schemes?

They've been set aside because the potential for disenfranchisement is obvious & glaring, entirely & callously contrary to the principles of inclusive Democracy.

Eligibility requirements for Medicaid are immaterial, a red herring in the discussion at hand.

As a voting rights advocate, my goal is for every mentally competent citizen 18 & older to voluntarily turn out & vote in every election, every time. I want all of us to have the wind at our backs to get there, not to place obviously unnecessary obstacles in anybody's way, regardless of their politics. The process should accommodate & encourage all citizens to take part, to be involved, to fulfill their civic duty.

Strict voter ID requirements are an authoritarian power play. People who are willing & able to play the authoritarian game in order to vote are obviously more likely to vote for authoritarian candidates, which is the whole point of the "Voter Fraud" scam in the first place.
 

Jhhnn

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If we should not require that a person show an id to vote, then why force a person to show identification for anything?

In the vast majority of states, some form of identification verification is already required, usually either a picture ID or some combination of other identifiers including their signature reasonably assuring that the voter is who they say they are & live in the voting area.

Actual incidences of intentional & willful in person voter fraud are exceedingly rare, prevented by a variety of factors, starting with the honesty of most Americans, safeguards already in place, and harsh well publicized penalties for perps who have little to gain anyway.
 

EagleKeeper

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So what? There were ~126M votes cast in 2008, so you're talking about knowingly fucking over at least 126,000 Americans to stop "voter fraud" that hasn't been proven to be a pimple on the ass of electoral integrity. That doesn't even count the number of people discouraged from voting by having to obtain ID to do it.

WTF is wrong with you?

That is 126k that may not have an ID. How many could get one?

If a dead person votes in person, that is just as bad as some being denied a vote in person.

A person without an ID still had other options so the vote foes not get lost.

Knowing stopping person that has the ability to obey the law is different that preventing them from having the ability to correct the situation.

People are finding excuses to avoid complying the law.

In PA, the state burocracy and people had 8 months to do something. Nothing wad done because it was easier not to as long ad there were fights ongoing. Then after it was upheld, opponents still refused to accept the law; they were stating there was not enough time. Logical, they wasted that time doing nothing instead of doing something
 

EagleKeeper

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As evidenced by the Republican replies and support of voter suppression in here they would do anything to re-gain power.

Like I said I can never understand why any woman would vote Republican.

Guys I could see because they are just greedy bloodsucking bastards that are destroying the country.

It's money over Country and people for them.

Seems to be the same way with you. Rather prefer the country be destroyed because someone is more successful than you. Blaming your misfortune on others.
 

EagleKeeper

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I'm curious as to why (during the repub primaries), they don't require ID's to vote.

I'm sure it's because it's only dems who commit voter fraud right?

As of now, the requirement is state by state.
 

EagleKeeper

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In the vast majority of states, some form of identification verification is already required, usually either a picture ID or some combination of other identifiers including their signature reasonably assuring that the voter is who they say they are & live in the voting area.

Actual incidences of intentional & willful in person voter fraud are exceedingly rare, prevented by a variety of factors, starting with the honesty of most Americans, safeguards already in place, and harsh well publicized penalties for perps who have little to gain anyway.

Most states have such requirements, them why are the pickets not there. Law suits removing the requirements. Because it is not considered to be a problem to provide ID.
 

dmcowen674

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Seems to be the same way with you. Rather prefer the country be destroyed because someone is more successful than you. Blaming your misfortune on others.

Maybe if others were not actively doing the misfortunes I wouldn't have boo to say.

You tell me.

If you nearly died in the middle of a highway you think it would be OK to follow your ambulance to the hospital to make sure I give you a ticket?

Or charge you $600 to tow your vehicle to timbuktu and charge you a $150 impound fee and $40 a day storage charge?

I don't think I am the unreasonable one on those.

Just latest examples.
 

Jhhnn

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If a dead person votes in person, that is just as bad as some being denied a vote in person.

Hogwash. Dead people have no rights, because they don't need them. That false equivalency is absurd.

The rest of your post is complete gibberish, btw.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm curious as to why (during the repub primaries), they don't require ID's to vote.

I'm sure it's because it's only dems who commit voter fraud right?

Don't you think it so odd that your post got completely ignored by the righties in this thread? I mean, there must be a logical reason that the righties can come up with for this somewhat suspicious happenstance?

I had to bump it just to make sure noone missed it by mistake. Good post.:thumbsup:
 

Paratus

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Come back in a month and tell us the exact number that voted and did not have access to a ID?

Not a number of those that do not have an ID.

Not those who are eligible to vote.

A number that would actually be disenfranchised.

My predictions:
# that vote with no ID will be below 0.1%.

1 per thousand voters.


And of those, how many could get them within a 6-18 month time frame. At least half on their own can get one. And another 40% with help from people that are actually concerned with getting out the vote.

Why isn't this number known already? If voter ID laws have been passed that just had to be in place this year why don't they know the impacts I the laws already?

If this was a reasonable law passed to combat voter fraud they would know that number already from previous elections. But it's not it was to let Romney win PA as stated by the author of the law.

Maybe some of our pubs on this site have forgotten their history. A group of early Americans threw a bunch of tea into Boston harbor protesting taxation without representation. I think it was called the tea party....

November is coming.....
 

soundforbjt

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As of now, the requirement is state by state.

Not in Iowa.

The repubs run the primary/caucus there completely and did not require any photo ID to vote. If repubs are so worried about voter fraud, don't you think they would require photo ID there as a shining example of following their thinking and convictions on the matter?
 

spittledip

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Personally, I don't have any problem with requiring ID to vote (as long as some form of ID is provided for free by the state in question so that there isn't a 'poll tax').

Thank you for being the one level headed dem in this thread (if you are a dem?). Too bad more party pullers can't be less partisan. It really shows what people are all about when they go against common sense ideas like these.

I totally agree that the govt should provided free picture IDs to all its citizens. One more step away from being a third world country. Of course, even some third world countries require picture IDs to vote.

Stupid things some people need photo IDs for:
http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpres...paign-events-and-other-liberal-organizations/
 

Jhhnn

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I'm curious as to why (during the repub primaries), they don't require ID's to vote.

I'm sure it's because it's only dems who commit voter fraud right?

Although Repub infighting can be quite vicious at times, they can't afford to give the Faithful the impression that they too are being disenfranchised. Better to string 'em along.

Repubs will likely lose some votes in places where they've succeeded with suppression, but they do their homework, and obviously think they'll gain more than they lose. If you can beat down participation more among unfriendly groups than among your own base, you come out ahead. Repubs' base, overall, is quite zealous, locked & loaded, voting every time in every election. If they were the only people voting, it'd serve the purposes of their leadership just fine. They'll jump through whatever flaming hoops might be put in the way to get to the polls, good little authoritarians that they are.

Everybody else, not so much.
 

Paratus

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Hmm after thinking about it, absentee ballots seem to be a problem. Maybe anyone who wants to use an absentee ballot must appear at the DMV in person with identification to receive a ballot. Plus it must be within 6 months of the election.

This way no dead people or illegal immigrants can vote absentee.

Republicans should be all over this idea!