Aruba police official:

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Your words idiot, not mine or anybody elses.

As much as I'd like to respond to that, I just don't have it in me to respond to trolls. Maybe someone else will stick out their hand for you to bite?

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

It's obvious why anyone would question her morals, especially since there's speculation that sexual contact was involved (kissing, etc.) If that's hard to believe, then I would have the hardest time figuring out what she was doing there in the first place.

I would certainly question her judgement... but do not know if I am in a position to question her morals. I don't think anyone is really in a postition to question her morals.

Hypothetically... let's say that she is a good girl... and she got hammered. And she ended up in a bathroom throwing her guts up. And her friends were leaving and when they could not find her, took it for granted that she had already gone, so they split without her. Then comes these boys who see an opportunistic situation. At this point she is drunk and not thinking clearly and trusts that they will get her home safely. If she went with them... thinking they were friendly and would take care of her, this can not be a question of morals.

They are stories of how she met a boy while on vacation and was seeing him for the past ferw days. What if he was the boy who harmed her? She would have thought she knew him enough that he would get her home and not kill her, right. That makes her stupid, not loose.

And since we are sitting here, not knowing what really happened... it is impossible for us to know what took place. And since none of us know her personally.. we cannot question her morals.

I agree with you and it's a shame that trolls like Astaroth and Red Dawn have to call names to get their uninformed opinions across.

You call me a troll with an uninformed opinion, when you are the one making the uninformed opinion. Answer my previous post:

The problem that I have with you, Nikamichi, is that you make a moral judgement on her without knowing her and without having been there to see all this go down. You imply through your words that her getting murdered (possibly) is somehow just punishment for her "loose morals", and this puts you down as a major asshat in my book.

How about directing your comments to everyone who feels as I do in this thread? I love how people like you make bold comments towards someone simply because they don't agree. Get outside and experience life for what it is.

What you can't stand by your opinions without the help of others? If they, like you, are calling her immoral and a whore then they too are as big a douchebag as you are.

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you? Better yet, why does it matter to you?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Natural selection is harsh, ask the zebra that's in a lion's belly...

My daughter is 15, and has spent months at camps, outings etc; since she's been a teen, she spent a week in NYC last month, 3 days at the state capital last week & is off to 2 summer camps (both academic) this summer she'd no more go off with strangers in a foreign country than cut off her arm.

This girl's parents should be ashamed for raising such a gullible child, and if they were aware how poor her judgment was (and a parent has the responsibility to know these things), they should be doubly ashamed for giving permission for the trip & likely financing it too.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you, just another idiot on the internet?

The difference is that you are basing your oipions on me from what you have read of my posts just like I am basing my opinions on you the same way. However you are calling the victim a whore without any morals based on what? You're own uninformed opinion on the situation!

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Natural selection is harsh, ask the zebra that's in a lion's belly...

My daughter is 15, and has spent months at camps, outings etc; since she's been a teen, she spent a week in NYC last month, 3 days at the state capital last week & is off to 2 summer camps (both academic) this summer she'd no more go off with strangers in a foreign country than cut off her arm.

This girl's parents should be ashamed for raising such a gullible child, and if they were aware how poor her judgment was (and a parent has the responsibility to know these things), they should be doubly ashamed for giving permission for the trip & likely financing it too.

I wouldn't bash the parents. I'm sure they thought the same thing about their child before this happened.

The thing is, most parents don't really know how their child will respond to new exiting situations.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you, just another idiot on the internet?

The difference is that you are basing your oipions on me from what you have read of my posts just like I am basing my opinions on you the same way. However you are calling the victim a whore without any morals based on what? You're own uninformed opinion on the situation!

Uninformed? Just as Pliablemoose stated, this girl was gullible. Why? Because she had sexual contact with a stranger. I said she was loose for that reason.

Because you couldn't seem to grasp that term, I used one vulgar enough that you'd be able to understand. Get it?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you, just another idiot on the internet?

The difference is that you are basing your oipions on me from what you have read of my posts just like I am basing my opinions on you the same way. However you are calling the victim a whore without any morals based on what? You're own uninformed opinion on the situation!

Uninformed? Just as Pliablemoose stated, this girl was gullible. Why? Because she had sexual contact with a stranger. I said she was loose for that reason.

Because you couldn't seem to grasp that term, I used one vulgar enough that you'd be able to understand. Get it?

First of all has it been detremined that she had consentual sex with those guys? Maybe she wouldn't put out and they killed her for that. If that's the case is she still a loose whore with no morals?

Hell she might have been given the Date Rape drug. If that was the case would she still be a loose whore with no morals? You don't know anymore than the rest of us yet you are jumping to conclusions slamming this girl's character just because she was unfortunate enough to be murdered. Now if that doesn't make you an idiot I don't know what does.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you, just another idiot on the internet?

The difference is that you are basing your oipions on me from what you have read of my posts just like I am basing my opinions on you the same way. However you are calling the victim a whore without any morals based on what? You're own uninformed opinion on the situation!

Uninformed? Just as Pliablemoose stated, this girl was gullible. Why? Because she had sexual contact with a stranger. I said she was loose for that reason.

Because you couldn't seem to grasp that term, I used one vulgar enough that you'd be able to understand. Get it?

First of all has it been detremined that she had consentual sex with those guys? Maybe she wouldn't put out and they killed her for that. If that's the case is she still a loose whore with no morals?

Hell she might have been given the Date Rape drug. If that was the case would she still be a loose whore with no morals? You don't know anymore than the rest of us yet you are jumping to conclusions slamming this girl's character just because she was unfortunate enough to be murdered. Now if that doesn't make you an idiot I don't know what does.

Now, I'm not going to spoon-feed you articles or clippings that state she had sexual contact with that particular male in the car. I'd expect someone as old as you to do that, until then, keep calling others idiots. It really does seem to add a little spice to your otherwise dried-up character.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you, just another idiot on the internet?

The difference is that you are basing your oipions on me from what you have read of my posts just like I am basing my opinions on you the same way. However you are calling the victim a whore without any morals based on what? You're own uninformed opinion on the situation!

Uninformed? Just as Pliablemoose stated, this girl was gullible. Why? Because she had sexual contact with a stranger. I said she was loose for that reason.

Because you couldn't seem to grasp that term, I used one vulgar enough that you'd be able to understand. Get it?

How do you know this? Were you there? Do you know her? If you were not and do not, then shut the fvck up about "morals".

I do not doubt the real possibility that she made poor choices that resulted in her present situation. But neither you nor I are qualified to judge her on her sexual morality.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
First of all has it been detremined that she had consentual sex with those guys? Maybe she wouldn't put out and they killed her for that. If that's the case is she still a loose whore with no morals?

Hell she might have been given the Date Rape drug. If that was the case would she still be a loose whore with no morals? You don't know anymore than the rest of us yet you are jumping to conclusions slamming this girl's character just because she was unfortunate enough to be murdered. Now if that doesn't make you an idiot I don't know what does.

Now, I'm not going to spoon-feed you articles or clippings that state she had sexual contact with that particular male in the car. I'd expect someone as old as you to do that, until then, keep calling others idiots. It really does seem to add a little spice to your otherwise dried-up character.

You won't because you can't.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I do not doubt the real possibility that she made poor choices that resulted in her present situation. But neither you nor I are qualified to judge her on her sexual morality.

Good, I'm glad that you came to the conclusion that you should shut the fvck up and not worry about what others have to say.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
[How do you know this? Were you there? Do you know her? If you were not and do not, then shut the fvck up about "morals".

I do not doubt the real possibility that she made poor choices that resulted in her present situation. But neither you nor I are qualified to judge her on her sexual morality.

He doesn't. Unless he's a complete Moron he realizes that he was talking out his ass, he's just to stubborn to admit it.

 

[RedCOMET]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you, just another idiot on the internet?

The difference is that you are basing your oipions on me from what you have read of my posts just like I am basing my opinions on you the same way. However you are calling the victim a whore without any morals based on what? You're own uninformed opinion on the situation!

Uninformed? Just as Pliablemoose stated, this girl was gullible. Why? Because she had sexual contact with a stranger. I said she was loose for that reason.

Because you couldn't seem to grasp that term, I used one vulgar enough that you'd be able to understand. Get it?

How do you know this? Were you there? Do you know her? If you were not and do not, then shut the fvck up about "morals".

I do not doubt the real possibility that she made poor choices that resulted in her present situation. But neither you nor I are qualified to judge her on her sexual morality.

Ok, so becuase she may of had sex before she was married, she is now considered "loose." Now, what do we call the person who took her virginity away? If he was the same age or realatively close to the same age, but not married, then are his morals still intact? i think not. I think we are basing her sexaul morals on the fact that this girl was not married.

Assuming the girl was still virgin when she left for this trip, maybe having a good time and not sex where on her mind.

But for christ sakes, this person was probally killed, since the body hasn't been found, so i think all this discussion on how irrepsonsible this gal has been is moot. Lets grow up. Sh!t happens to good, morally sound people, as well as immoral people.

 

[Toastedlightly]

/runs up with lawnchair, beer and pretzels

Hey guys, am I late?

 

[RedCOMET]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
/runs up with lawnchair, beer and pretzels

Hey guys, am I late?

after reading some of the things in this thread, you gonna need something stronger than beer.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: RedCOMET

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Stand by my opinions? They're still here and unedited. Why should I try to explain them over and over again to someone as thick-headed as you? Why should I even explain how I feel about something to you, just another idiot on the internet?

The difference is that you are basing your oipions on me from what you have read of my posts just like I am basing my opinions on you the same way. However you are calling the victim a whore without any morals based on what? You're own uninformed opinion on the situation!

Uninformed? Just as Pliablemoose stated, this girl was gullible. Why? Because she had sexual contact with a stranger. I said she was loose for that reason.

Because you couldn't seem to grasp that term, I used one vulgar enough that you'd be able to understand. Get it?

How do you know this? Were you there? Do you know her? If you were not and do not, then shut the fvck up about "morals".

I do not doubt the real possibility that she made poor choices that resulted in her present situation. But neither you nor I are qualified to judge her on her sexual morality.

Ok, so becuase she may of had sex before she was married, she is now considered "loose." Now, what do we call the person who took her virginity away? If he was the same age or realatively close to the same age, but not married, then are his morals still intact? i think not. I think we are basing her sexaul morals on the fact that this girl was not married.

Assuming the girl was still virgin when she left for this trip, maybe having a good time and not sex where on her mind.

But for christ sakes, this person was probally killed, since the body hasn't been found, so i think all this discussion on how irrepsonsible this gal has been is moot. Lets grow up. Sh!t happens to good, morally sound people, as well as immoral people.

Agreed.

Nakamichi appears to believe that her possible murder is somehow "just punishment" for what he sees as "loose sexual morality". I have a problem with this, because who the fvck is he to be judging her?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Nakamichi appears to believe that her possible murder is somehow "just punishment" for what he sees as "loose sexual morality". I have a problem with this, because who the fvck is he to be judging her?

I guess he sees himself as the Moral Judge of others. How he came to this conclusion beats the hell out of me.

Even if she was as he said it still doesn't justify what happened to her.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
First of all has it been detremined that she had consentual sex with those guys? Maybe she wouldn't put out and they killed her for that. If that's the case is she still a loose whore with no morals?

Hell she might have been given the Date Rape drug. If that was the case would she still be a loose whore with no morals? You don't know anymore than the rest of us yet you are jumping to conclusions slamming this girl's character just because she was unfortunate enough to be murdered. Now if that doesn't make you an idiot I don't know what does.

Now, I'm not going to spoon-feed you articles or clippings that state she had sexual contact with that particular male in the car. I'd expect someone as old as you to do that, until then, keep calling others idiots. It really does seem to add a little spice to your otherwise dried-up character.

You won't because you can't.

I'll give him a hand: PDF Local Aruba Paper 6-10-05

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Nakamichi appears to believe that her possible murder is somehow "just punishment" for what he sees as "loose sexual morality". I have a problem with this, because who the fvck is he to be judging her?

I guess he sees himself as the Moral Judge of others. How he came to this conclusion beats the hell out of me.

Even if she was as he said it still doesn't justify what happened to her.

Let's say a girl stays at a bar past 1:00AM in a place she's never been to, gets drunk off her ass, and goes with three guys in a car. Does this girl have any morals at all?

Yes or no.

BTW, please stop talking out of your asses, Red Dawn and Astaroth. I did not ever say she deserved her death, though I know you'd love it if I did.

 

[Miramonti]

The dutch Aruban govt. couldn't have done a better job admitting they're racist sh!theads.

They immediately go after the 2 black guys and hold them with no evidence (other than the word of the rich white boys) when these punks who saw her last weren't picked up for over a week.

 

[RedCOMET]

Well, either she was too drunk to leave before 1 am or the new "friends" (aka guys she were with) got her so drunk, that she couldn't leave by herself. Some people do get drunk more quickly than others. Some people are taken advantaged of becuase they were drunk.

But man, this thread is getting pretty retarded.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Nakamichi appears to believe that her possible murder is somehow "just punishment" for what he sees as "loose sexual morality". I have a problem with this, because who the fvck is he to be judging her?

I guess he sees himself as the Moral Judge of others. How he came to this conclusion beats the hell out of me.

Even if she was as he said it still doesn't justify what happened to her.

Let's say a girl stays at a bar past 1:00AM in a place she's never been to, gets drunk off her ass, and goes with three guys in a car. Does this girl have any morals at all?

Yes or no.

BTW, please stop talking out of your asses, Red Dawn and Astaroth. I did not ever say she deserved her death, though I know you'd love it if I did.

You can't possibly tell if she has or doesn't have morals because she's partying on a vacation island and goes for a drive with 3 people she apparently trusted. This is a very safe island in all respects.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Nakamichi appears to believe that her possible murder is somehow "just punishment" for what he sees as "loose sexual morality". I have a problem with this, because who the fvck is he to be judging her?

I guess he sees himself as the Moral Judge of others. How he came to this conclusion beats the hell out of me.

Even if she was as he said it still doesn't justify what happened to her.

Let's say a girl stays at a bar past 1:00AM in a place she's never been to, gets drunk off her ass, and goes with three guys in a car. Does this girl have any morals at all?

Yes or no.

Who knows what her morals are? Unless you happen to know her personbally or happen to be privy of her intent you can't say. Also if she is drunk she might not have been in control, especially if she's not use to being intoxicated. She might be the most moral poerson you ever met but when she is drunk she loses all her inhibitions and everything she knows and believes in moral could go right out the door.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Nakamichi appears to believe that her possible murder is somehow "just punishment" for what he sees as "loose sexual morality". I have a problem with this, because who the fvck is he to be judging her?

I guess he sees himself as the Moral Judge of others. How he came to this conclusion beats the hell out of me.

Even if she was as he said it still doesn't justify what happened to her.

Let's say a girl stays at a bar past 1:00AM in a place she's never been to, gets drunk off her ass, and goes with three guys in a car. Does this girl have any morals at all?

Yes or no.

BTW, please stop talking out of your asses, Red Dawn and Astaroth. I did not ever say she deserved her death, though I know you'd love it if I did.

You can't possibly tell if she has or doesn't have morals because she's partying on a vacation island and goes for a drive with 3 people she apparently trusted. This is a very safe island in all respects.

She may be (or have been) book-smart, but it's also entirely possible that she's never learned how to avoid and/or handle herself in these kinds of situations. We don't know what was going through her head when she left the club: Was she too intoxicated to have a good handle on what was going on? Possible, if she's never really drunk alcohol before. Was she otherwise incapacitated? Was her intent to leave the club for a little gangbang action (as Nakamichi apparently wants to believe)? Theoretically possible, but highly doubtful.

The real answer is that these guys probably came across a hot young girl who they felt was an easy target, and manipulated her trust. Did she deserve this? No. Was she "loose"? Who knows, but that question is most likely not relevant to what happened to her. In any case, none of us are qualified to judge her character. Not even you, Nakamichi, as much as you think you deserve the honor.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Nakamichi appears to believe that her possible murder is somehow "just punishment" for what he sees as "loose sexual morality". I have a problem with this, because who the fvck is he to be judging her?

I guess he sees himself as the Moral Judge of others. How he came to this conclusion beats the hell out of me.

Even if she was as he said it still doesn't justify what happened to her.

Let's say a girl stays at a bar past 1:00AM in a place she's never been to, gets drunk off her ass, and goes with three guys in a car. Does this girl have any morals at all?

Yes or no.

Who knows what her morals are? Unless you happen to know her personbally or happen to be privy of her intent you can't say. Also if she is drunk she might not have been in control, especially if she's not use to being intoxicated. She might be the most moral poerson you ever met but when she is drunk she loses all her inhibitions and everything she knows and believes in moral could go right out the door.

Where were her friends? Obviously, not with her. Why was that? Why would she need a ride from strangers? Because she stayed behind.

Why did she stay behind? She obviously made a decision, despite being inibriated. You're telling me a nice girl, with good morals (she doesn't even need to have good brains on her shoulders) is going to do that?

This isn't even about bashing the girl, because for some reason peole think there's no problem with a young woman doing that.