Artist starves dog for exhibit

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I don't advocate killing the person as human life is obviously more valuable than an animal life.

Is all human life really by definition "more valuable" than any animal's life? Why? I ask this because I know that there are some human lives out there that I certainly value less than my dog's life.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: randay
You realize by giving a shit, the artist achieved his goal. Therefore the proper response is, "Who cares, its just a freaking DOG."

Or to punish the artist so that the next doesn't think of moving up the chain.

To starve any living creature for entertainment is inherently wrong. People capable of doing such things are capable of much more.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I don't advocate killing the person as human life is obviously more valuable than an animal life.

I would kill this so called artist with my bare hands if I could save that dogs life.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: mattocs

Originally posted by: DrPizza


Simply by listening to my animals, I can tell how they're feeling. The sound they make is distinctly different when they're upset/frightened, content, horny, or anxious/hungry. (The neighbors must have hated them the other night - at 4am, one of the females was ready and wanted a male. I had to go out and lock the female inside with the rest of the females in order to shut up the 7 extremely horny and vocal males.

Why would you want to know that, sicko. o_0

hmm in layman's terms: Because then he knows he may be able to expand his stock.

Unlike you that is probably ready to hump anything that moves, animals in captivity sometimes can be tricky getting them together.

DrPizza brings up alot of good points on slaughter. Most people equate massive blood to suffering, but in reality the faster the blood gets out the easier the death is.

With humans that have had their throats cut and survived, many will say they didn't know what happened at first...they just got really dizzy and feel. When you cut into the windpipe it can be a bit tramatic for a human though as they are dying more from choking that bleeding. An animal though dies pretty fast.

People also mistake the natural muscle reactions to suffering...it's not the same.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The only people who can justly criticize this dog's suffering are
a) Vegans
b) Hunters who only eat wild game
c) People who consume humanely raised livestock and dairy

Despite the BS that PETA would have people believe, the vast majority of people who eat meat fall into category "c". You simply cannot get quality meat or dairy from animals that are tortured.

ZV

 

[Agentbolt]

Did you ever notice that with a really sharp knife, you can cut yourself pretty good and it barely hurts? We're talking razor sharp. Their throats aren't slit side to side, OJ style, rather, just a small nick is made where the artery (vein?) is on the side of the neck.

I think it's very very important to note that your method of killing described there is not what happens to a lot of animals, especially cattle.

Cattle are generally captive-bolt stunned and have their throat slit in an artery and they bleed out pretty quickly. Comparing that to giving a liter of blood is completely, utterly misleading. It takes 20 minutes to get out that liter of blood. Cattle (and chickens and pigs and whatever) are generally bled out very quickly (2 or 3 minutes at most) while technically still "alive" (though unconscious due to the bolt stunner) to make sure their heart is still beating after getting their artery cut, which makes sure all the blood is out of the body (blood staying in the body will make the meat spoil more quickly).

I've got no issues with that method. The cow is alive but brain dead, it doesn't feel any pain when being bolt stunned and obviously not when having its throat slit, and that's that. That's why I eat meat, compared to being eaten by a wolf or lion or some shit I'd much prefer the bolt-gun method, if I were a cow.

Furthermore, animals killed according to Jewish practices ABSOLUTELY suffer horribly. They're not unconscious when their throat is cut, and it's not just an artery, they DO get the OJ treatment. I've seen videos of cows walking around for no less than 2 minutes bleeding everywhere with their esophagus hanging out of their throat. It's why I won't eat beef prepared that way, although luckily that kind of barbaric crap is localized to the few insane Jews who still insist on keeping absolutely everything kosher.

 

[Agentbolt]

I think that some animals can feel "pain" and have "emotions" similar to humans - dogs, dolphins and horses to name a few. I do not include cows and chickens. Most animals either mimic humans or we pretend (mostly subconsciously) that they have emotions.

That is an unbelievably retarded statement. Firstly, there's a WHOLE lot of no man's land between having emotions and having the ability to feel pain. There is plenty of anecdotal and scientific evidence that at the very least, all mammals can feel physical pain. The fact that you happen to eat those animals has nothing to do with whether they can feel pain or not. It's not a circular argument, you're just plain wrong.

What an unbelievably ignorant viewpoint you have. "Oh well if I eat it, I don't want to feel bad about it, so I'll just arbitrarily decide that those particular animals don't feel pain! Whopee!"

 

[RESmonkey]

Hmph. Not lets put this guy in a huge pit full of chemically-enhanced and warbred dogs 😛

 

[ManBearPig]

are you fucking kidding? what a sick bastard.

 

[daveymark]

this is why dogs' rights need to be included in the constitution. until one country steps up and says "enough" this will continue to happen

 

[RapidSnail]

In regards to animal rights, why do so many people carry anthropomorphic attitudes?

 

[coldmeat]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I don't advocate killing the person as human life is obviously more valuable than an animal life.

I would kill this so called artist with my bare hands if I could save that dogs life.

i would do the same

this reminds me of a story i read in the Ottawa Citizen earlier this year
Link

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Did you ever notice that with a really sharp knife, you can cut yourself pretty good and it barely hurts? We're talking razor sharp. Their throats aren't slit side to side, OJ style, rather, just a small nick is made where the artery (vein?) is on the side of the neck.

I think it's very very important to note that your method of killing described there is not what happens to a lot of animals, especially cattle.

Cattle are generally captive-bolt stunned and have their throat slit in an artery and they bleed out pretty quickly. Comparing that to giving a liter of blood is completely, utterly misleading. It takes 20 minutes to get out that liter of blood. Cattle (and chickens and pigs and whatever) are generally bled out very quickly (2 or 3 minutes at most) while technically still "alive" (though unconscious due to the bolt stunner) to make sure their heart is still beating after getting their artery cut, which makes sure all the blood is out of the body (blood staying in the body will make the meat spoil more quickly).

I've got no issues with that method. The cow is alive but brain dead, it doesn't feel any pain when being bolt stunned and obviously not when having its throat slit, and that's that. That's why I eat meat, compared to being eaten by a wolf or lion or some shit I'd much prefer the bolt-gun method, if I were a cow.

Furthermore, animals killed according to Jewish practices ABSOLUTELY suffer horribly. They're not unconscious when their throat is cut, and it's not just an artery, they DO get the OJ treatment. I've seen videos of cows walking around for no less than 2 minutes bleeding everywhere with their esophagus hanging out of their throat. It's why I won't eat beef prepared that way, although luckily that kind of barbaric crap is localized to the few insane Jews who still insist on keeping absolutely everything kosher.

Good point... I shouldn't have implied that all animals are killed the same way.

 

[mortong]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I don't understand how this is worse than killing animals for food. Humans are the only animals who can feel emotions and suffering right? What a bunch of bleeding hearts. How many of you hypocrites have even donated one cent to HUMANS undergoing equal or worse suffering?

Are you really that dense? Starving an animal to death isn't even in the same ballpark as killing one. One is quick and one isn't. Would you rather be chained to a wall for 5-7 days and die of starvation or be shot in the head? That's what I thought. :roll:

Are you saying that an animal raised in a stall or in a crate is not suffering? How about having its neck slit and bleeding to death for kosher preparation?

First you call us a bunch of hypocrites, and then you are trying to explain to me how animals raised in a stall are suffering. Before you argue, you should pick a side and stick to it.

I think you need to work on your logic skills. You ARE a hypocrite if you whine about this dog suffering and call for execution of this guy, yet eat animals that you know suffer their whole lives in order to be put on your plate. The only people who can justly criticize this dog's suffering are
a) Vegans
b) Hunters who only eat wild game
c) People who consume humanely raised livestock and dairy

If someone posted a thread like this about veal calfs being raised in crates, or humans starving, he'd get called a "bleeding heart wussie" by the majority of ATOTers. But a dog gets sympathy. That's what makes you hypocrites.

I don't recall calling for the artist to be executed. I said the punishment should be the same as the crime in terms of being tethered to a wall and having food and water withheld. Let them starve and see how it feels. I don't advocate killing the person as human life is obviously more valuable than an animal life. Nice try though, and good job on being a dumbass.

I, for one, agree with Zoroastrianism here... Whatever you do to a dog, you deserve the same punishment as if you'd done it to a human. Hypocrite I may be, but at least I'm consistent.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I don't advocate killing the person as human life is obviously more valuable than an animal life.

I would kill this so called artist with my bare hands if I could save that dogs life.

i would do the same

this reminds me of a story i read in the Ottawa Citizen earlier this year
Link

LOL, you two are hilarious. You would KILL A MAN to save the dog? That's a little extreme there. I love dogs, they are my favorite animal. I am all for helping animals and everything, but it's people like you two who go over the top with statements like that.

Now if someone were purposely hurting my own dog, when the dog has not done anything wrong, then yes I would do everything that I can to stop the person from continuing. But c'mon, you're telling me you would actually KILL the man if you saw him at his art show starving the dog?

So you kill the man, save the dog, now you sit in prison for life (or deathrow for murder)...but hey, at least you saved a random dog right?

Don't get me wrong here...the artist is a scum bag and complete low-life for doing what he did, but please stop acting like big e-thugs saying how you'll do this or that to save the dog. You two probably wouldn't do shit if you were actually there.

 

[TheAdvocate]

This guy needs to be starved to near death in a dirty cell with as little fanfare as possible, and forbidden to profit from the event, on pain of death.

 

[m1ldslide1]

What I haven't heard is what the point of this exhibit was? I wouldn't be surprised to hear some stupidity like "I did it to further animal rights" or something - it's hard to fathom that this would be done sheerly for the spectacle. I guess I could start up the ol' googler...

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The only people who can justly criticize this dog's suffering are
a) Vegans
b) Hunters who only eat wild game
c) People who consume humanely raised livestock and dairy

Despite the BS that PETA would have people believe, the vast majority of people who eat meat fall into category "c". You simply cannot get quality meat or dairy from animals that are tortured.

ZV

Not to mention just because we eat mammals doesn't mean we feel differently about pets and people.

I always include people now as the first retort these kinds of people make are usually "you think/would do/etc that for a dog/cat/etc, but you wouldn't for a person?"

I like RapidSnail throwing out a word probably only an inkling of the population knows without having to look it up.

 

[RapidSnail]

It's a literary concept I figured more people would be familiar with since it's nearly ubiquitous in English prose and poetry. I wasn't trying to appear erudite though.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I don't advocate killing the person as human life is obviously more valuable than an animal life.

I would kill this so called artist with my bare hands if I could save that dogs life.

i would do the same

this reminds me of a story i read in the Ottawa Citizen earlier this year
Link

LOL, you two are hilarious. You would KILL A MAN to save the dog? That's a little extreme there. I love dogs, they are my favorite animal. I am all for helping animals and everything, but it's people like you two who go over the top with statements like that.

Now if someone were purposely hurting my own dog, when the dog has not done anything wrong, then yes I would do everything that I can to stop the person from continuing. But c'mon, you're telling me you would actually KILL the man if you saw him at his art show starving the dog?

So you kill the man, save the dog, now you sit in prison for life (or deathrow for murder)...but hey, at least you saved a random dog right?

Don't get me wrong here...the artist is a scum bag and complete low-life for doing what he did, but please stop acting like big e-thugs saying how you'll do this or that to save the dog. You two probably wouldn't do shit if you were actually there.

You might not do nothing b/c you're a wuss. But I would take the dog and if the so called artist tried to stop me, I would have no regard hurting him to ensure I could get the dog to safety and making him know that what he was doing is sick and twisted.

 

[RapidSnail]

Capt, do you support the death penalty?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Capt, do you support the death penalty?

Yes

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Capt, do you support the death penalty?

Yes

I just know people who'd be really to take the life of a human that would kill an animal, but not a murderer. It's a weird paradox.

 

[Rogodin2]

Animal cruelty will be the least of your worries within the next 2 years.

Have any of you seen firsthand an ADM feedlot?

This is a digg regurgitation lad.


Rogo

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
What I haven't heard is what the point of this exhibit was? I wouldn't be surprised to hear some stupidity like "I did it to further animal rights" or something - it's hard to fathom that this would be done sheerly for the spectacle. I guess I could start up the ol' googler...

I'm betting he thought if he starved he dog to death and garnered a huge, proactive public outcry and movement against his act, it would show how people are willing to do that for a dog but not willing to do that for the millions of people starving around the world, perhaps even in his own country.