[ARS] FCC to vote on measure that allows incumbent telcos to let copper lines "rot"...

[ch33zw1z]

I don't see what Hillary has to do with net neutrality. Isn't Trump president with the GOP in full control? Or did something happen when I was asleep?

alt-reality, speculation, and conjecture. its a brave new america.

 

[Jhhnn]

I haven't said any such thing. The only thing I came here to say was that sensamp needs to cool off on the bigotry.

Also, this whole label/dismiss game is getting old, so please stop.

You agree with what he's saying, just not the way he's saying it. He says if they're dumb enough to vote for it that they deserve it. You say fuck 'em because there's no profit in serving them unless the rest of us pitch in to help. Same difference.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

You agree with what he's saying, just not the way he's saying it. He says if they're dumb enough to vote for it that they deserve it. You say fuck 'em because there's no profit in serving them unless the rest of us pitch in to help. Same difference.

No, I didn't say that either.

The internet should now be considered infrastructure.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I am sorry, but your queen is one of the most corrupt politicians in history. You can say it's speculation if you want, but it's certainly not unfounded.

Of course its speculation. reality is calling you, Trump is president, and this is going to happen under his watch. Send a complaint to the FCC, Im sure theyll lose it again and then repost whatever they want with legit citizens information now.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, I didn't say that either.

The internet should now be considered infrastructure.

Which bring us back to the topic at hand & away from your duh-versions.

You can either support this ruling as does Senseamp or not. It doesn't matter if your reasoning is different because the result will be the same should your preferences prevail.

Do you support the ruling, or not?

I don't. Small town/ rural America already struggles under the tender ministrations of the oh-so benevolent Jerb Creators. Allowing telcos to cut back on basic services in the interests of greater profit makes that worse, not better.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Of course its speculation. reality is calling you, Trump is president, and this is going to happen under his watch. Send a complaint to the FCC, Im sure theyll lose it again and then repost whatever they want with legit citizens information now.

Yup, just like when I told you that HRC was a horrible candidate, the DNC was rigging the primary, Trump would win the GOP primary, and HRC was weak against Trump in the general.

All just speculation...

 

[Jhhnn]

Yup, just like when I told you that HRC was a horrible candidate, the DNC was rigging the primary, Trump would win the GOP primary, and HRC was weak against Trump in the general.

All just speculation...

None of that has anything to do with the topic at hand. Perhaps you don't realize that on your journey to Denial.

Or maybe you're just trolling.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

None of that has anything to do with the topic at hand. Perhaps you don't realize that on your journey to Denial.

Or maybe you're just trolling.

The point was that I wasn't making baseless speculations, rather I was making educated guesses, just as I am now.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So Trumps FCC, anything on that?

 

[Jhhnn]

The point was that I wasn't making baseless speculations, rather I was making educated guesses, just as I am now.

The point is that you refuse to state your preference in the matter at hand, even when it's put to you in the simplest form. You'd rather talk about something, anything else, particularly about the cognitive impairment of Hillary hate.

 

[theeedude]

So, you support bigotry as long as it's directed at the right type of people. Good to know.

Letting people have what they voted for is bigotry? OK, buddy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yup, just like when I told you that HRC was a horrible candidate, the DNC was rigging the primary, Trump would win the GOP primary, and HRC was weak against Trump in the general.

All just speculation...

i dont recall you telling me any of this. Do I know you?

Its not like those talking points are new though.

 

[Zorba]

"intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself."

doesnt sound like youre using the correct word.

seasamp is full of impetuous disdain for Conservatives who willingly (yet sometimes unwittingly) vote against their own interests.

bigotry has a very generic meaning now, so try and be a little more specific.

Not that I support what unseenmorbidity is saying at all. But seasamp is one of the most bigoted people on this forum, he just directs it at people who are from flyover and red states, instead of people from Mexico or Africa. And not in an intolerant of intolerance sort of way. If he said the same things about black people he does about people not from California, he'd have been vacationed a long time ago.

It is not okay to hate and want to screw over 150 million people just because half of them voted a certain way. Especially when most of those people have been lied to and propagandized to for decades in part due to deregulation lead by at least 5 of the last 6 of the last administrations, including Clinton. And the vast majority of those people know nothing about telecom regulations or the FCC.

 

[Zorba]

Yup, just like when I told you that HRC was a horrible candidate, the DNC was rigging the primary, Trump would win the GOP primary, and HRC was weak against Trump in the general.

All just speculation...

You got an alt account? Because your join date is after the election.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Wait, you have private entities regulating your own infrastructure? What a mess.

Copper is a second option but has to be there, fibre should be everywhere but you'll still need a copper backup.

Do you guys have no sense of defence systems applied in your own nation because you always wage war elsewhere?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not that I support what unseenmorbidity is saying at all. But seasamp is one of the most bigoted people on this forum, he just directs it at people who are from flyover and red states, instead of people from Mexico or Africa. And not in an intolerant of intolerance sort of way. If he said the same things about black people he does about people not from California, he'd have been vacationed a long time ago.

It is not okay to hate and want to screw over 150 million people just because half of them voted a certain way. Especially when most of those people have been lied to and propagandized to for decades in part due to deregulation lead by at least 5 of the last 6 of the last administrations, including Clinton. And the vast majority of those people know nothing about telecom regulations or the FCC.

based on the loose definition, i dont believe id find an honest person without a shred of bigotry.

callous disdain for others, well...what do you expect? One sides party members to sit back and take it from the others?

you get what you vote for, take responsibility for it.

you can probably insert a snowflake, cupcake, buttercup, etc..in there for that added partisan offense.

 

[darkswordsman17]

alt-reality, speculation, and conjecture. its a brave new america.

Hey, stop falling for clear diversions. Even better would be if you edited your posts responding to an obvious mult/troll account to remove any response to them and instead post info about the FCC issues.

You agree with what he's saying, just not the way he's saying it. He says if they're dumb enough to vote for it that they deserve it. You say fuck 'em because there's no profit in serving them unless the rest of us pitch in to help. Same difference.

See above.

Not that I support what unseenmorbidity is saying at all. But seasamp is one of the most bigoted people on this forum, he just directs it at people who are from flyover and red states, instead of people from Mexico or Africa. And not in an intolerant of intolerance sort of way. If he said the same things about black people he does about people not from California, he'd have been vacationed a long time ago.

It is not okay to hate and want to screw over 150 million people just because half of them voted a certain way. Especially when most of those people have been lied to and propagandized to for decades in part due to deregulation lead by at least 5 of the last 6 of the last administrations, including Clinton.

That's because he's been gaslighted like crazy. I know some people that were surrounded by Trump supporters who were very nasty after he won, and now are freaking the fuck out because the stuff he's doing is fucking them over too (you know, exactly like people said it would). They gloated and bullied people about Trump, and now they want to be absolved of the blame and act like they didn't go around being pieces of shit themselves. Which, while your attempt to stop or lessen the divisiveness is admirable, I also don't think we should let people who did those things off the hook. And considering that it enabled worse things, I think they need to start accepting their role in it.

Yes and get back to me next time that black people can choose to be black. Or that they're black out of spite specifically wanting to fuck other people over. Your argument there is worse than what Senseamp is saying. In fact, a more correct assertion is that your argument can be made into "we shouldn't be mad at wannabe Nazis and white supremacists because they're also fucked over by the people they voted for".

All he's saying is, they're gonna have to live with the consequences like the rest of us. Only, its their fault so they need to own it because if we keep letting people get away with voting out of spite and other shit, its just going to keep fucking everybody over. If you keep letting people be shitty they're going to continue to be shitty (as seen with the rampant sex abuse allegations, racism, etc). There are people who admit to having committed sexual assault, just not when you call it what it actually is. Likewise, I know lots of people who "I'm not racist, I totally have a black friend!" who definitely have racist beliefs, but they've been able to believe they aren't racist because they're not called out on it. Same deal here. Its the same idiots that hated Obamacare but liked the ACA. At some point they need to start realizing that they're being idiots and start actually learning about issues and how they play a role in them. As a society we've let this insane collective blindness perpetuate because we keep demanding this "civil" veneer that just lets people get away with not accepting the consequences for their actions (many of these people are die hard "personal responsibility" types too, so they're also massive hypocrites).

Ok, so seems like your issue is with the people who voted specifically to do that. Because I can tell you they're a bigger issue than senseamp posting about the shitheel Trump supporters on here. You're really saing "you shouldn't hate people that have shown open hatred for you". This is a direct response to the hatred that those people were showing. Certainly not all of them were, but you're just ignoring the reality if you think that's not the actual problem, or that giving them a pass while condemning people condemning them is going to change it.

That is true, but the fact is, one side is actually admitting the mistakes, while the other side keeps whipping people up into a furor, leading to the shit we're seeing. And instead of the people supporting the latter taking ownership of that, they are doubling down over and over and over, making things worse. And its going to continue unless they actually have to deal with their actions.

Certainly, I think people can change, that reform is possible, and I agree that it does no good to let hate consume you, even in response. But you're woefully misplacing your derision here.

You got an alt account? Because your join date is after the election.

Bingo. Its so blatantly clear what is happening. Realibrad's astroturf attempt (not sure if it was intentional, but the stuff he was saying is exactly the kind of things that the telco astroturfing campaigns do, they try to posit it as some free market issue and ignore basic facts in order to sway people that don't understand the situation) failed, then we get some shitposter working to derail the thread.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Wait, you have private entities regulating your own infrastructure? What a mess.

Copper is a second option but has to be there, fibre should be everywhere but you'll still need a copper backup.

Do you guys have no sense of defence systems applied in your own nation because you always wage war elsewhere?

The FCC is a public agency. Granted, because its been filled by former lobbyists and other employees of the industry its regulating (and who often return to working for those companies after leaving), there are definite conflicts of interest. I'm not sure that's much different to how the EU operates though (where plenty of people

More unnecessary ignorant Brit condescension (pretty sure the US had a hand in your defense systems post WWII). Please see yourself out of this thread as you're going to be coming from a place of ignorance (not an insult, I wouldn't expect you to know this stuff) that you're just going to make it easier for others to spread FUD, and at best are just going to add noise and further divert it.

 

[Zorba]

based on the loose definition, i dont believe id find an honest person without a shred of bigotry.

callous disdain for others, well...what do you expect? One sides party members to sit back and take it from the others?

you get what you vote for, take responsibility for it.

you can probably insert a snowflake, cupcake, buttercup, etc..in there for that added partisan offense.

Stereotyping 150 million people is pretty shitty. Considering I've never voted for a non-democrat for president, take this as honest feedback that you two sound like backwater racists, not well informed liberals. But yeah, lets all behave just like the most redneck whitetrash trump support, that'll show them!

That's because he's been gaslighted like crazy. I know some people that were surrounded by Trump supporters who were very nasty after he won, and now are freaking the fuck out because the stuff he's doing is fucking them over too (you know, exactly like people said it would). They gloated and bullied people about Trump, and now they want to be absolved of the blame and act like they didn't go around being pieces of shit themselves. Which, while your attempt to stop or lessen the divisiveness is admirable, I also don't think we should let people who did those things off the hook. And considering that it enabled worse things, I think they need to start accepting their role in it.

Yes and get back to me next time that black people can choose to be black. Or that they're black out of spite specifically wanting to fuck other people over. Your argument there is worse than what Senseamp is saying. In fact, a more correct assertion is that your argument can be made into "we shouldn't be mad at wannabe Nazis and white supremacists because they're also fucked over by the people they voted for".

All he's saying is, they're gonna have to live with the consequences like the rest of us. Only, its their fault so they need to own it because if we keep letting people get away with voting out of spite and other shit, its just going to keep fucking everybody over. If you keep letting people be shitty they're going to continue to be shitty (as seen with the rampant sex abuse allegations, racism, etc). There are people who admit to having committed sexual assault, just not when you call it what it actually is. Likewise, I know lots of people who "I'm not racist, I totally have a black friend!" who definitely have racist beliefs, but they've been able to believe they aren't racist because they're not called out on it. Same deal here. Its the same idiots that hated Obamacare but liked the ACA. At some point they need to start realizing that they're being idiots and start actually learning about issues and how they play a role in them. As a society we've let this insane collective blindness perpetuate because we keep demanding this "civil" veneer that just lets people get away with not accepting the consequences for their actions (many of these people are die hard "personal responsibility" types too, so they're also massive hypocrites).

Ok, so seems like your issue is with the people who voted specifically to do that. Because I can tell you they're a bigger issue than senseamp posting about the shitheel Trump supporters on here. You're really saing "you shouldn't hate people that have shown open hatred for you". This is a direct response to the hatred that those people were showing. Certainly not all of them were, but you're just ignoring the reality if you think that's not the actual problem, or that giving them a pass while condemning people condemning them is going to change it.

That is true, but the fact is, one side is actually admitting the mistakes, while the other side keeps whipping people up into a furor, leading to the shit we're seeing. And instead of the people supporting the latter taking ownership of that, they are doubling down over and over and over, making things worse. And its going to continue unless they actually have to deal with their actions.

Certainly, I think people can change, that reform is possible, and I agree that it does no good to let hate consume you, even in response. But you're woefully misplacing your derision here.

My comments about Sensamp extend far beyond this thread. His comments go far beyond giving people what they voted for, to actively wishing for negative things to happen to them. As a person that lives in Oklahoma (Hey, I had no choice where I was born either), it pisses me off. Even in Oklahoma 1/3 of the state voted for Hillary. Places like Ohio and Florida it was very close to 50/50. Treating the entire state (really he treats 2/3 of the US the same) as a monolithic block is exactly what all prejudiced people do with whatever block they are against.

Further, actively wishing harm on the country just so some people get what they deserve is beyond childish. Democrats should be a voice of opposition and reason, bringing positive options to the table and actively attempting to block the madness. Not saying "whelp, we lost, burn the mother fucker down."

Considering I voted for Obama twice, does that mean when tsa feels me up because I have milk for my daughter that I deserve it because I voted for it? How about when the NSA tracks all of my communications? Did every democrat deserve the great recession since Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall and they all voted for him? Or better yet, did gay people deserve to not be allowed to marry because the majority of them voted for Clinton who passed the defense of marriage act?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Because voicing reason has gotten us where?

Youre free to move man, no need to stay in OK

I hope the country gets what it voted for, maybe we can move forward afterwards, finally. Its all us helpless cupcakes can do but watch, make sure we vote for who we want based on what they stand for.

Trump is a Dem plant /conspiracy

 

[Zorba]

Because voicing reason has gotten us where?

Youre free to move man, no need to stay in OK

I hope the country gets what it voted for, maybe we can move forward afterwards, finally. Its all us helpless cupcakes can do but watch, make sure we vote for who we want based on what they stand for.

Trump is a Dem plant /conspiracy

I should move so you and a few other bigoted "liberals" will quit judging me and my family and wishing us harm based on vast stereotypes based on nothing but geography? Yeah, you guys aren't at all prejudiced. Anyone that groups vast segments of the population, then makes assumptions and stereotypes them is the same. Rather they are doing it based on race or geography. I guess some people just really need to have someone to hate. Never mind more people in California voted for Trump than Oklahoma.

I choose to live here because I like Oklahoma, all my family lives here or near by. I didn't decide to be born here, I didn't decide to make my family live here. Trump would be the president regardless of where I lived. And my vote would be just as worthless in California as it was in Oklahoma. Why should I move just because 2/3 voted for Trump vs 1/3 in California? Never mind Oklahoma voted against Trump in the Primaries, but California, NY, Washington and IL, all voted for him. How would segregating by political party help the US?

Even though I am surrounded by republicans, I heard very little glutting after the election. Maybe you all should realize that a handful of people/trolls on the internet don't represent the thoughts of more than 150 Million people in the middle of the US.

 

[theeedude]

They are going to get what they voted for. Rural living is largely subsidized by government spending through subsidies, tariffs, and by regulation like requiring utilities to services unprofitable low density areas. So their voting for less government spending and regulation is an act of mass stupidity. I am glad Republican FCC at least is giving them what they voted for. Silicon valley will finish rural areas off with agricultural robots and automation. There simply will not be the jobs to support a local economy. Maybe some junkies lucky enough to get some welfare, after Republicans are done gutting it, will stick around for the low cost of trailer living.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I should move so you and a few other bigoted "liberals" will quit judging me and my family and wishing us harm based on vast stereotypes based on nothing but geography? Yeah, you guys aren't at all prejudiced. Anyone that groups vast segments of the population, then makes assumptions and stereotypes them is the same. Rather they are doing it based on race or geography. I guess some people just really need to have someone to hate. Never mind more people in California voted for Trump than Oklahoma.

I choose to live here because I like Oklahoma, all my family lives here or near by. I didn't decide to be born here, I didn't decide to make my family live here. Trump would be the president regardless of where I lived. And my vote would be just as worthless in California as it was in Oklahoma. Why should I move just because 2/3 voted for Trump vs 1/3 in California? Never mind Oklahoma voted against Trump in the Primaries, but California, NY, Washington and IL, all voted for him. How would segregating by political party help the US?

Even though I am surrounded by republicans, I heard very little glutting after the election. Maybe you all should realize that a handful of people/trolls on the internet don't represent the thoughts of more than 150 Million people in the middle of the US.

Youre assuming quite a bit.

I dont judge my fellow americans based on this website. I voted for universal healthcare, and a better standard of living for all americans.

many of my fellow americans didnt.

so when i say that i hope america gets what it voted for, thats with the understanding that not all americans voted for this. thats not an easy thing to admit, or say, but if thats what needs to happen for more people to get active and vote in their self interest...the. so be it.

Id rather see telcos required to upgrade infrastructure, improve competetive technologies, etc...

and IIRC, the current FCC chairman was put in place before Trump was in office, and I didnt agree then either.

so whatever, you wanna sit there and sulk while telling me that Im the problem, go for it....Im not voting for this nonsense. I write my reps, and try to watch what theyre doing, and vote accordingly.

Id love to be wrong, and see this champion of the people(Trump) actually do something about the monopoly in today's telco world, but im not gonna hold my breath.

 

[Zorba]

Youre assuming quite a bit.

I dont judge my fellow americans based on this website. I voted for universal healthcare, and a better standard of living for all americans.

many of my fellow americans didnt.

so when i say that i hope america gets what it voted for, thats with the understanding that not all americans voted for this. thats not an easy thing to admit, or say, but if thats what needs to happen for more people to get active and vote in their self interest...the. so be it.

Id rather see telcos required to upgrade infrastructure, improve competetive technologies, etc...

and IIRC, the current FCC chairman was put in place before Trump was in office, and I didnt agree then either.

so whatever, you wanna sit there and sulk while telling me that Im the problem, go for it....Im not voting for this nonsense. I write my reps, and try to watch what theyre doing, and vote accordingly.

Id love to be wrong, and see this champion of the people(Trump) actually do something about the monopoly in today's telco world, but im not gonna hold my breath.

I am not saying you or senseamp are the problem. I agree with you that the problem is people are voting against their own best interests for mostly stupid reasons. But back to my original post on this matter, there is a difference in disagreeing with people politically/hope they will learn from their mistakes, and showing open contentment to huge segments of the population.

But 2008/9 showed us that the burn it down method does almost nothing to change people's beliefs. The only thing that really has a shot of helping is bringing back ownership limitation and fairness requirements in media. Something I don't think Obama did anything about and Clinton actively made worse.

 

[ch33zw1z]

contempt (is what you meant?)for huge pieces of the population, sounds like youre describing Conservatives to a t. Hating on educated liberals, minorities, etc...

So back to my original point on that, is that really so surprising?

We can plainly see what Conservative values are currently. A year from now, maybe that'll be different...until then, do you think contempt posts on AT do anything? Its not like Im influencing mass amounts of the poplulation.

Its 100% in support of democracy to say voters get what they vote for.

Maybe, we dont actually live in a country thats run by the voters, and they just dont care anymore, and thats how you get Trump.