ARRIVAL: Nominated for 8 Oscars including Best Picture - NO SPOILERS PLEASE

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I am in the minority here obviously but I hated the movie. I understand what happened but I did not enjoy the journey that much. My gf went with me to a fancy theater to check it out however we both left VERY disappointed. Def waste of $60. I was expecting Contact and got Batman vs Superman.

I thought the memories part of the movie from was too forced. Probably the biggest reason I disliked. Amy Adams did a good job I just stopped caring half way through the movie.

I didn't like it either. Saw it at 2:45 in the afternoon with my wife and fell asleep for a few minutes in the middle. Wasn't scifi enough and didn't hold my attention. I would wait for blu ray or something. Like you, I stopped caring halfway through the movie as there was no sense of urgency for anything and no real "ooh, ahh" moment.
 

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Took the afternoon off to go to the dentist. Checked out the movie today afterwards. It wasn't as exciting as I had hoped. About half way through I was rather bored. I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10.
 

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Saw it last night. Didn't care for it much. Figured out what was going on much earlier than the ending, so think I was expecting some other major event/reveal at the end that never came.

We have cineopolis and iPic here both are 20 per ticket plus two drinks equal 60 bucks.

For a good movie it is amazing. Pillow and blanket with great chairs/beds. But when a movie doesn't go the way I want it to, it is brutal lol.

Glad I found something similar to Cineapolis out here. Service is the same, but difference is tickets cost less than the price of a standard SoCal theater.
 

deustroop

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I was a little let down with the ultimate reveal, but in the end it was a good movie. And Amy Addams absolutely killed it.:eek:

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First 3/4 introduced an intelligent plot and interesting characters. But once the time element was warped around everything , nothing made sense. Goes to illustrate the proverb that a little knowledge of science is a bad thing. And there is one huge plot confusion in the better part that I will ignore like everyone else has.

The movie is an example of where a scriptwriter's reach exceeds his grasp.
 

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Well, it seems most of the pundits are now predicting a Best Picture Oscar nomination for Arrival, although most also believe it won't win. The favourite right now for Best Picture is La La Land (which is currently 97% at RT).

So, overall, I think Arrival will capture a few Oscar noms, but won't win many.
 

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After less than 2 weeks in the theatres, Arrival's domestic box office take has matched its production budget.

And its foreign box office take is just under half its production budget.
 

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Well, it seems most of the pundits are now predicting a Best Picture Oscar nomination for Arrival, although most also believe it won't win. The favourite right now for Best Picture is La La Land (which is currently 97% at RT).

So, overall, I think Arrival will capture a few Oscar noms, but won't win many.
Arrival got 10 nominations in the Critics' Choice Awards, including Best Picture and Best Actress.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li.../best-picture-critics-choice-noms-2016-951821

This ties Moonlight, but is behind La La Land's 12 noms.
 

Mandres

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Saw it over the weekend. I enjoyed it, but it fell a little short of fantastic. The script/story left a lot of unanswered questions or, rather, buried them under an artificially-sweet emotional ending. I read Chiang's short story the following night and it was much tightly executed and delivered the idea more effectively.

It was a beautifully-made movie though. The effects were believable. Adams was good. The score was great.

-edit - How can anyone not like District 9? It was a little heavy handed with the apartheid allegory but otherwise I thought it was perfect.
 

rockyct

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Saw it over the weekend. I enjoyed it, but it fell a little short of fantastic. The script/story left a lot of unanswered questions or, rather, buried them under an artificially-sweet emotional ending. I read Chiang's short story the following night and it was much tightly executed and delivered the idea more effectively.

It was a beautifully-made movie though. The effects were believable. Adams was good. The score was great.

-edit - How can anyone not like District 9? It was a little heavy handed with the apartheid allegory but otherwise I thought it was perfect.
I also saw the movie and then immediately ordered the short story collection. I was able to read it and then see it again in theaters with some other friends. I did enjoy the short story, but it made me appreciate what the film did and the changes that were made. The short story is a more straightforward narrative and solidifies the scientific theory behind the written language. It does flip around in the timeline, but there is no twist like in the film. The movie builds up the reveal of the aliens and then mixes her learning the language with a corresponding decent into madness until she "gets it" at the party scene. Re-watching the film made it more clear that she isn't seeing other parts of her timeline until right after she starts to understand their language. The first time watching it, it just seems like exhaustion combined with flashbacks of her dead child. Watching it again shows her mental breakdown from experiencing the visions with a girl she doesn't know. At the party scene, you see the wave of various emotions just hitting her. The short story still has a lot of emotion in it, but the film does a much better job of the viewer feel the emotional weight of her realizing that the girl is her daughter and that she will die, as well as the fact that she is the key to stopping a world war.

There were quite a few other smart changes that I thought the film did. The short story has 112 "looking glass" objects just appear and are only 10' by 20'. By making there only be twelve mysterious (and massive) objects, the world war plotline is introduced and makes Louise much more important. The film also has a bomb killing one of the aliens. At first you think Abbott is trying to point at the bomb, but after seeing it, I think he was trying to get one last way of getting her to understand their language by having her touch the barrier. Either way, it seems like Abbott knew about the bomb and chose to die in the blast anyway to save Louise and Ian and fulfill his story line. It makes the decision that Louise makes to be with Ian knowing that she will lose both him and their daughter more understandable. The short story does a better job of explaining that even with the understanding of the future, it's still your duty to fulfill your part in the grand performance. I also like how the film gives sort of a purpose to why they came. They needed to unify humanity so that they can give us their technologies that we will use to help them in the future. It's a bit vague, but the short story says that the purpose of them appearing in glass objects on Earth is not known in Louise's lifetime and they don't give humanity any new technology.

Anyway, I think people should see the film, read the short story, and then re-watch the film again. The short story really does a great job of explaining the alien language and how the circular timeline works, but the film tells a much better story. I wish there could have been another five minutes of "science" in the film to help fill in the apparent plot holes which are explained in the short story, but I understand why they would leave it out for pacing.
 

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I'll not read the above post until I've read the short story...

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Interesting comparison with Dr. Strange's box office receipts. Dr. Strange started one week earlier, but dropped much quicker:

Weekend 1: $85 million
Weekend 2: $43 million
Weekend 3: $18 million
Weekend 4: $14 million
Weekend 5: $6.7 million

Arrival started a week later, but has had a slow burn, probably buoyed by the Oscar buzz, so that its weekend 4 beat Dr. Strange's weekend 5, that same weekend:

Weekend 1: $24 million
Weekend 2: $12 million
Weekend 3: $11 million
Weekend 4: $7.3 million

Right now Arrival is sitting close to the $75 million mark for domestic, and over $115 million worldwide. It has already topped expectations, and it seems $80 million is going to be an easy target to achieve. I wonder how high it can go.

These are not blockbuster numbers (although great for its $47 million budget), but nonetheless it's heartening to see that such a movie can still make good money.
 

Mandres

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The short story really does a great job of explaining the alien language and how the circular timeline works, but the film tells a much better story. I wish there could have been another five minutes of "science" in the film to help fill in the apparent plot holes which are explained in the short story, but I understand why they would leave it out for pacing.

Agreed, I don't think the film conveyed the idea that learning/thinking in the alien language was the key to breaking linear time perception clearly enough. It seemed more like Louise touched the glass and was magically zapped with the ability to see the future. It left me wondering whether she was the only one who was affected, and what exactly the gift/weapon from the aliens was supposed to be anyway. The film sort of glossed over the interesting ideas from the story here. I did like the way they handled the twist though.
 

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Agreed, I don't think the film conveyed the idea that learning/thinking in the alien language was the key to breaking linear time perception clearly enough. It seemed more like Louise touched the glass and was magically zapped with the ability to see the future. It left me wondering whether she was the only one who was affected, and what exactly the gift/weapon from the aliens was supposed to be anyway. The film sort of glossed over the interesting ideas from the story here. I did like the way they handled the twist though.

Odd I thought it was pretty clearly said in the movie that the language was the key to understanding.
 

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I asked for a copy of the book Stories of your life and others for Xmas. Should be interesting to compare to the movie and the script (see below).

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Here is a PDF of the script for Arrival:

http://www.paramountguilds.com/arrival/screenplay/
http://www.paramountguilds.com/pdf/arrival.pdf

This is legit, legal, and provided by Paramount itself. Arrival's script is being provided because it's on Paramount's promotion list for the Awards season. The five movies they're pushing are Arrival, Allied, Fences, Florence Foster Jenkins, and Silence. Here is Paramount's For Your Consideration webpage:

http://www.paramountguilds.com/

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The entire score is here too:

http://www.paramountguilds.com/arrival/score/

Hi rez press photos:

http://www.paramountguilds.com/arrival/photos/
 

Ferzerp

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I watched this a few weeks ago. I adored it until the last half an hour or so. It seems they couldn't figure out how to resolve the story without going to trite cliche.

I like to pretend it ended right when the people did the thing they weren't supposed to and so the alien did the thing to keep the other people safe.
 

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Golden Globe nominees announced. Arrival was robbed!

http://www.imdb.com/golden-globes/nominations/

It only got a nomination for Best Original Score. Amy Adams was nominated for Best Actress, but not for Arrival. It was for Nocturnal Animals.

EDIT:

It turns it was a mistake in IMDB's posted list. Amy Adams was nominated for Arrival, not Nocturnal Animals. Yay!
 
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So, Arrival has surpassed $95 million domestic. Not sure if it will make it to $100 million, unless there is some post Oscar nomination bump. It's currently at $160+ million worldwide.

Speaking of the Oscars: Arrival is set to get 5-7 Oscar nominations, and maybe win 1 or 2. The Oscar nominations will be announced next week. It won't get nominated for Best Original Score though, because it got disqualified. So, what are the possible nominations?

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Actress
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best Film Editing
Best Sound Editing
 

preslove

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I haven't seen many oscar bait movies this year, but as of now, Arrival is my favorite.

So, Arrival has surpassed $95 million domestic. Not sure if it will make it to $100 million, unless there is some post Oscar nomination bump. It's currently at $160+ million worldwide.

Speaking of the Oscars: Arrival is set to get 5-7 Oscar nominations, and maybe win 1 or 2. The Oscar nominations will be announced next week. It won't get nominated for Best Original Score though, because it got disqualified. So, what are the possible nominations?

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Actress
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best Film Editing
Best Sound Editing

$160 million is a pretty good for a movie with a $47 million budget and a pretty low marketing budget. Hopefully this will inspire more thoughtful scifi movies to get made.

As for the oscars, I'm rooting for Amy Adams to finally win one. She was fantastic. It deserves at least a nomination for the ones you list.
 

cbrunny

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It absolutely will not win best picture. If it gets a nomination I'll be shocked. This movie was 66.6% brilliant, 33.3% giant turd, in that order.

Amy Adams might have a shot at Best Actress, but I can't see it winning for anything else.
 

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It absolutely will not win best picture. If it gets a nomination I'll be shocked. This movie was 66.6% brilliant, 33.3% giant turd, in that order.

Amy Adams might have a shot at Best Actress, but I can't see it winning for anything else.
Best Adapted Screenplay maybe. Probably won't win Best Actress.

And yes, I am confident it will get a Best Picture nomination, even if it doesn't come close to winning.
 

preslove

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I don't get the hate people have for this movie.

I think Adams might win because she's been nominated a bunch of times and hasn't won. After a while it doesn't matter what the movie/part is, the academy voters just say 'they deserve to finally win.'
 

cbrunny

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I don't get the hate people have for this movie.

I wouldn't say that I go out of my way to make sure other people know it isn't a good movie. A thread on a forum is one thing.

For me, I'm angry for two reasons.

First, this movie had amazing potential to be great. But it stopped there. Two thirds through the movie they shit the bed and just said "fuck it, lets take the easy way out" and then did. "Mind fuck for the sake of mind fuck" is stupid, period. They could have ended that movie a hundred ways that don't fit into the "mind fuck" paradigm and I'd have been thrilled with the movie.

Second, and far more importantly for me, this had real potential to bring real sci-fi back into prime time; to be the start of something other than marvel dc super bullshit ironfisting shitheads. Those of us that yearn for old-school Star Trek, for example and are vomiting in the streets over ST: Beyond - epically let down by what should have been pure sci-fi cinematic greatness - are pissed off by this. A nonsensical non-sci-fi ending to an otherwise pure sci-fi movie is a great swirling fuck-you to the genre as a whole. "We don't give a damn about sci-fi. We just want money." Fuck. That.