ARRIVAL: Nominated for 8 Oscars including Best Picture - NO SPOILERS PLEASE

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MongGrel

MongGrel

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I liked Sicario myself, and have been had a mini crush on Amy Adams awhile now.

Have been waiting on Arrival to come out myself.

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AdamK47

AdamK47

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Rotten Tomato scores aren't all that relevant anymore. It has been misused, abused, and gamed by studios for several years now.
 
MongGrel

MongGrel

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I'm not taking RT into consideration myself, still have been waiting on the movie to come out awhile myself.
 
AdamK47

AdamK47

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Eug said:
Please explain.
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Hollywood has been increasingly focused on aggregate review scores. They even use them to promote a movie. Unfortunately, it has become a major factor for many people in determining whether they will see a movie or not. People behind the movie studios aren't stupid. They know when they have a potential stinker on their hands. They have people that will engage reviewers they feel will give favorable reviews. They will allow these people to view these movies before release. Rotten Tomatoes also skews the aggregate review scores further by preferring "top critic" reviews. Ever wonder why a movie scores higher before release and then falls sharply afterwards?

I'm not saying this movie is going to be a stinker. All I'm saying is that aggregate reviews aren't as reliable as they seem to be on the surface.
 
Eug

Eug

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AdamK47 said:
Hollywood has been increasingly focused on aggregate review scores. They even use them to promote a movie. Unfortunately, it has become a major factor for many people in determining whether they will see a movie or not. People behind the movie studios aren't stupid. They know when they have a potential stinker on their hands. They have people that will engage reviewers they feel will give favorable reviews. They will allow these people to view these movies before release. Rotten Tomatoes also skews the aggregate review scores further by preferring "top critic" reviews. Ever wonder why a movie scores higher before release and then falls sharply afterwards?

I'm not saying this movie is going to be a stinker. All I'm saying is that aggregate reviews aren't as reliable as they seem to be on the surface.
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Except most of these reviews appear to be from film festival attendees.

For example, at TIFF, technically anyone can go see these movies if you can get a ticket. My friend who went is just a regular guy not in the movie industry nor is he a reviewer. He just wanted to see it and had the time to get the tickets and take time off and watch it. Think of getting a TIFF ticket to a major release like getting up at 3 am on pre-order day for that iPhone 7 Plus. Some of us will get that phone on launch day but some won't.

These are not studio hosted events with all handpicked audience members.

BTW, for stinkers, they often don't preview them and sometimes don't allow reviews until launch weekend.

And I'll say again, 100% after 40 reviews basically never happens with a big budget Hollywood sci-if flick, regardless of the situation.
 
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zerocool84

zerocool84

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Eug said:
Except most of these reviews appear to be from film festival attendees.
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Exactly why I don't care about first reviews on rotten tomatoes. They are always reviews from fans of the genre or hyped about the movie.
 
Eug

Eug

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zerocool84 said:
Exactly why I don't care about first reviews on rotten tomatoes. They are always reviews from fans of the genre or hyped about the movie.
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A better description is that people who see these movies at film festivals are fans of cinema, and not necessarily particular genre fans. And my friend who saw it isn't a movie reviewer so obviously he wouldn't have an RT review entry.

In fact, it's probably more representative at RT since they need to have some credentials, whereas at IMDB you can vote on a score without even having seen the movie.


brianmanahan said:
i just wait to see what siskel and ebert say about a movie before i decide to watch it
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I must admit I chuckled at your morbid humour.
 
slayer202

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Eug said:
A better description is that people who see these movies at film festivals are fans of cinema, and not necessarily particular genre fans. And my friend who saw it isn't a movie reviewer so obviously he wouldn't have an RT review entry.

In fact, it's probably more representative at RT since they need to have some credentials, whereas at IMDB you can vote on a score without even having seen the movie.

I must admit I chuckled at your morbid humour.
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The reviewers who have seen the movies, saw them at festivals. Toronto has press screenings and I assume all the other festivals do too

I agree that early reviews don't mean much but once you hit 40 reviewers it gets a bit more accurate. Arrival will drop a bit but it will still get a very solid score. Whether or not you pay any attention to RT is another question
 
JEDIYoda

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Definately a movie on par with the great sci fi movies.....I`m going!! This is even more exciting that all the Star War movies....etc
 
JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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slayer202 said:
The reviewers who have seen the movies, saw them at festivals. Toronto has press screenings and I assume all the other festivals do too

I agree that early reviews don't mean much but once you hit 40 reviewers it gets a bit more accurate. Arrival will drop a bit but it will still get a very solid score. Whether or not you pay any attention to RT is another question
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There are idiots who even if they like the movie will still give it a bad review..lol
 
TwiceOver

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I might actually go to the theater for this. Trailer looks good. Not a fan of Forest, but sometimes you just have to live with it.
 
Ichinisan

Ichinisan

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Careful.

The trailer for District 9 was awesome and the critics gave overwhelming praise. It turned out to be complete garbage.
 
Eug

Eug

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District 9 is one of my favourite movies of all time.

It's totally %#£* awesome.
 
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Kapav

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I also liked District 9... but I also think Armageddon is great fun, so maybe my opinion doesn't mean much here. I'm excited by Arrival, it's got the sci-fi/space/alien aura that I love but is also seemingly pretty different.
 
Eug

Eug

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I didn't hate Armageddon, but didn't love it either. Worth the time wasted, but ultimately forgettable, and kinda stupid.

District 9 was in a total different class for me. Thus, I was excited when Elysium came out. Unfortunately, Elysium was pretty mediocre, partially because the dialogue was not very good. I cringed when I heard some of Jodie Foster's lines. And Chappie was even worse.

It turns out much of District 9 was ad-libbed by Sharlto Copley.
 
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