arrested....you guys think these charges will be dropped?

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers

Originally posted by: kravmaga
No don't try and call the humane society or state park rangers, heavan forbid. It's the year 2005 and we still have people who think they're huckleberry finn.

When I hit a deer, first thing the cop did when she got there, aside from making sure I wasn't hurt, is went to look for the deer.

In order to shoot it and put it out of its misery if it was still alive.

I assume you've never hit a deer, and dont mind them romping all over the place hitting cars and such. This time of the year driving around in Ohio you see dead deer all over the place, or the big red stains on the highway from where they were hit. We need to start killing more deer, but not with cars.

Every time they try to control deer through rational means (ie, shooting them), the tree hugging idiots sue to block it. Because apparently, either:
-deer suffer a lot less when they get hit by cars and die from internal bleeding or break a hip and starve to death as compared to getting shot in the head by hired sharpshooters
-or killing deer with cars is much more "natural" than shooting them.

What would be natural would be their natural predators, which your honkey ancestors exterminated because they were too scary.

:thumbsdown:

 

[episodic]

You sir are probably not going to come out well.

I'd berate you as a judge about a possible bullet richochet and the possibility of an innocent person being hurt then chide you for your idiotic behavior, then I'd fine the HECK out of you, take your gun license, and order a crapload of community service.

Of course I'm not a lawyer or a judge. . .

That is what I'd do though. . .

 

[GeekDrew]

Dang, some of you people are harsh. One of my cousins hit a deer a few years ago (ironically, while on a deer hunting trip), and the officer at the scene wanted to know why the hell he didn't shoot the deer after he hit it, as he said that it was badly hurt.

 

[TerryMathews]

Do people in other parts of the country just not have much experience with deer?

<- Ohio here. Full-grown deer are dangerous animals. Injured ones doubly so. An injured deer will charge at you for just being in its personal space.

I would argue something along these lines: We couldn't just drive off (scene of an accident), and we were concerned that the deer might be able to get up and attack us.

I would only fall back on the humanity defense if the deer was obviously too injured to stand on its own power - IE it was laying on the ground in pieces.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: amdskip

Originally posted by: rahvinIf you collect the venison without a permit, regardless if it's a roadkill, mercy kill or a hunt you have poached. NEVER take the meat (unless it's released to you by a game warden), you run the risk of confiscation of everything you had on you including your vehicles and guns.

I hear of people taking it all the time here in Illinois without any legal problems. Are there laws concerning this?

It's a local law issue, make sure you understand your local laws regarding the harvesting of venison because if you violate the rules you are poaching, regardless if the animal is already dead or was roadkill. I'm not going to say that some states don't allow it, but you need to be very carefull and make sure you understand your states rules before you do it. Poaching, at least in the west is taken extremely seriously.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Dang, some of you people are harsh. One of my cousins hit a deer a few years ago (ironically, while on a deer hunting trip), and the officer at the scene wanted to know why the hell he didn't shoot the deer after he hit it, as he said that it was badly hurt.

I dont' carry a gun except during hunting season and I wouldn't be caught dead shooting a deer I couldn't tag during hunting season regardless of how much pain it was in cause they would charge you with poaching out here. If I felt comfortable that I wouldn't get injured doing so I would cut the deers throat though and bleed it out.

 

[Strk]

I hope it gets thrown out. It sounds like you did the right thing, but not being a lawyer, it might not be the entirely legal thing

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Mookow
Every time they try to control deer through rational means (ie, shooting them), the tree hugging idiots sue to block it. Because apparently, either:
-deer suffer a lot less when they get hit by cars and die from internal bleeding or break a hip and starve to death as compared to getting shot in the head by hired sharpshooters
-or killing deer with cars is much more "natural" than shooting them.

What would be natural would be their natural predators, which your honkey ancestors exterminated because they were too scary.

Funny, my "honkey ancestors" didnt eliminate the human race. Humans are naturally predators. We have canine teeth, and we have been killing deer/antelope/buffalo/etc for a long, long time. We evolved into tool users, and have been using tools to kill, butcher, and cook animals for longer than we have had writing. Shooting them is perfectly natural.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: kritical28
I was driving with my buddy to get some food and a big deer just runs across the street. My buddy ends up hitting it and busting its front leg open and his chest too. The thing was going nuts rolling and yelling. I felt so bad so I had my gun on me and just ended its misery and right then I see a cop and he pulls his gun out and makes me get on my face. Then arrests my for wreckless endangerment, firing a weapon in city limits and took my gun and my gun license away with me. Now I have to go to court and face a crapload of fines. You guys think the jugde will show sympathy?

That cop is an absolute d!ck. Hire a good lawyer, you'll probably get off. Don't forget to file a formal complaint against the officer for his overzealous conduct.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Mookow
Every time they try to control deer through rational means (ie, shooting them), the tree hugging idiots sue to block it. Because apparently, either:
-deer suffer a lot less when they get hit by cars and die from internal bleeding or break a hip and starve to death as compared to getting shot in the head by hired sharpshooters
-or killing deer with cars is much more "natural" than shooting them.

What would be natural would be their natural predators, which your honkey ancestors exterminated because they were too scary.

Funny, my "honkey ancestors" didnt eliminate the human race. Humans are naturally predators. We have canine teeth, and we have been killing deer/antelope/buffalo/etc for a long, long time. We evolved into tool users, and have been using tools to kill, butcher, and cook animals for longer than we have had writing. Shooting them is perfectly natural.

Your forgot the stereoscopic vision, which proves beyond all doubt that humans are natural predators.

But don't bother much with this argument. Mystics are impossible to argue with, as they can easily force themselves to believe all sorts of irrational fantasies to justify their ignorances and prejudices.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Possibly, but in truth you messed up a little. If you carry a gun, you should ALWAYS carry a cell phone. Correct protocol would be to call 911, report the incident and receive permission to put the animal down. If an officer was available close enough, they would be dispatched to do it instead.

It's noble to want to end suffering, but the only time you can fire is for safety.

I'd get a good lawyer, be honest, and pray.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mookow
Funny, my "honkey ancestors" didnt eliminate the human race. Humans are naturally predators. We have canine teeth, and we have been killing deer/antelope/buffalo/etc for a long, long time. We evolved into tool users, and have been using tools to kill, butcher, and cook animals for longer than we have had writing. Shooting them is perfectly natural.

Your forgot the stereoscopic vision, which proves beyond all doubt that humans are natural predators.

But don't bother much with this argument. Mystics are impossible to argue with, as they can easily force themselves to believe all sorts of irrational fantasies to justify their ignorances and prejudices.

I wasnt making a comprehensive list, I was just throwing enough out there to show that the list of "natural predators" for deer includes humans. If I thought his post carried any weight at all, I'd also have questioned whether the his version of the natural solution (namely that wolves and cougars should roam free in the suburbs to curb the population of deer) is a remotely viable solution.

 

[Howard]

The smart thing to do would have been to use a knife.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Howard
The smart thing to do would have been to use a knife.

No way in hell anyone should get that close to a wounded animal. Then it really would have been a self-defense scenerio.

 

[DurocShark]

The "Right" thing |= the "Legal" thing all too often.

Good luck, though I think it's a given you will lose your CC. Most places, carry permits are set up to self destruct if you violate ANY law with the weapon. Regardless of how rediculous it is in the situation.

I hope you do ok out of this. Sucks when doing the right thing means suffering.

 

[Jon855]

I hope that you will be getting a lawyer and I am a hunter myself. I am on your side and I would have done the same thing. Just be honest and sometimes the laws can be a little BS in this area but you did the right and the moral thing. Carry on.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: amdskip

Originally posted by: rahvinIf you collect the venison without a permit, regardless if it's a roadkill, mercy kill or a hunt you have poached. NEVER take the meat (unless it's released to you by a game warden), you run the risk of confiscation of everything you had on you including your vehicles and guns.

I hear of people taking it all the time here in Illinois without any legal problems. Are there laws concerning this?

It's a local law issue, make sure you understand your local laws regarding the harvesting of venison because if you violate the rules you are poaching, regardless if the animal is already dead or was roadkill. I'm not going to say that some states don't allow it, but you need to be very carefull and make sure you understand your states rules before you do it. Poaching, at least in the west is taken extremely seriously.

Understood here as well. Most of the time, DEC officers and State Police are pretty reasonable. They'll give you a tag for roadkilled deer. And, I've never heard of anyone getting nailed harshly for picking up roadkilled deer without waiting for the police.

But, the DEC checks at places where deer are butchered. One hunter used his pistol to shoot a deer. Besides his own license and tags, his wife had a license and tags, which were filled out for the deer he shot. DEC came across it, recognized the hole as being "not from a slug", wife didn't have a pistol permit, and they were in a HEAP of trouble. (4-wheeler, pickup, guns, etc. all confiscated)

 

[spc hink]

Good luck hopefully you don't have a judge on a power trip.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Mookow
I wasnt making a comprehensive list, I was just throwing enough out there to show that the list of "natural predators" for deer includes humans. If I thought his post carried any weight at all, I'd also have questioned whether the his version of the natural solution (namely that wolves and cougars should roam free in the suburbs to curb the population of deer) is a remotely viable solution.

The key component of his argument was the unspoken (but clear as day) implication that humans are not natural predators of deer. Which is of course ridiculous. Contained in that ridiculous implication is the usual enviro-whacko mysticism that humanity itself is somehow not natural -- an impossibility.

 

[Muadib]

Most of you are blaming the cop, but if you ask me the OP is leaving out quite a bit of the story.

 

[PatboyX]

ive had buddies who have gotten in similar situations.
your big mistake was using the gun, i think. the city limits thing will probably be a bigger deal than anything else.
if you go in there and are sincere about it and dont come off as a dude just looking to fire off for no reason and do it with humility, im sure they will be as flexible as possible.
but again, depending on the gun laws, there may be a low tolerance for breaking that law, regardless of context.
just make sure you know your rights and if you protest, make sure to do it respectfully.