No, what I'm saying is that I have several links... 2 say, the June goal was lowered from May's. See where it says "Officials said"... The officials were lying.
"The Army has stated since last year, and as recently as April 25, that it aimed to ship 8.050 recruits to basic training in May. But, without any public announcement, the service lowered its goal to 6,700."
May's goal was 6700.
"The Army's goal for its active-duty force June was 5,650 recruits.."
That was June's goal.
So in May, before school was out and the peak Summer recruitment season began, the Army reduced its goal from 8,050 to 6,700 and STILL MISSED THEIR GOAL for May by twenty-five percent.
But in June, after school is out and recruitment supposedly rises, the Army set their goal at only 5,650. Over 1,000 recruits LOWER THAN THE ALREADY REDUCED MAY GOAL!
And this after they changed their reporting date to the tenth of the month instead of the first to provide more time to "tweak" the numbers.
Call it what you will. Someone is playing with the numbers. Period. That's glaringly apparent.
You havent provided any links that say that. The first two were for May and the last one was for June and it says the goal wasnt lowered. So what you are saying is the one link that is relevant to this discussion is not credible? That is amazing thing to say considering you are the one who linked it.
btw I did find this interesting from the CNN link you provided.
In other words, they would have to far exceed their official targets, which range from 5,650 to 9,250 a month.
From your link about Junes goal
The Army's goal for its active-duty force June was 5,650 recruits
Coincidence?
Edit: btw I think you arent reading this correctly. The goals vary each month so when you see Mays at 6700 and Junes at 5650 you are assuming they lowered the goals for June when in fact the goal has been 5650 the entire time and not changed.
are the goals they are talking about simply month by month (as in - in this month we will acquire this many recruits) or is it a running tally (at the end of this month we should have this many recruits total). i can't tell how they are measuring so i'm not able to follow how the counting is happening. it's not b/c i'm too stupid - it's mainly just b/c i don't feel like making the effort....
The 5650 - 9250 a month includes Reserves and they are saying that to make up the shortfall by September, they would have to recruit at a FAR great clip than they 5650-9250 recruiting goal range.
I agree however their goal for June was 5650 and they exceeded it.
That is the point of this story not whether or not they will make the year end goal which doesnt look terribly promising.
Sounds like they have goals that vary each months depending on outside circumstances. Probably some thinktank locked away in the basement at the pentagon doing statistics that will give them an idea of the realistic goals they can achieve each month to attain a yearly goal.
I still think if they can get 80,000 a year that is doing pretty good.
Month to Month... they've kept lowering the recruitment goals for active-duty soldiers. From 8000 in April, to 6700 in May, to 5650 in June.
The link that stated that official said that the recruitment goal was not lowered was not true. The link still had pertinent information, just that the official tried to pass off false information.
That range that Genx stated includes Reserves recruiting. And in the context that it appears in the article is that it's saying that in order to beat their yearly goals by September, it needs to destroy that 5650(active)-9xxx(+reserves) mark.
Of course you're going to hit your goal if he set it low enough. That's my whole point.
Edit: Plus, this is supposed to be a big recruiting month for them.
Apparently they felt otherwise since the pre-determined goal was 5650 or the very low end of the curve.
I bet July is a bigger one as the kids who graudated will have decided going to University isnt in the works now.
From Darkhawk28's link:
And with this info, NJDevil, BBond, and Darkhawk28 "will stop posting/not reply to" my post or Genx87's. :laugh:
And with this info, NJDevil, BBond, and Darkhawk28 "will stop posting/not reply to" my post or Genx87's. :laugh:
oops. I guess I missed page 2. Ignore my previous post althought it's pretty interesting that Darkhawk28 doesn't believe his own link.
Zebo
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Very true. Air Force and Navy is OVER 100% goal wise. Most Kids are smart enough to know in the rear with the gear is where it's at but they are not getting the 40K bonuses either. It's the ARMY, Marine Corps and thier reserves which are suffering dispite the increased dollar modivation.
Hahaha, you're too hilarious. I guess you didn't realize I'm not one of those who disregards contradictory statements thrown at me. I suppose that meeting their recruiting goal in June is good, but it's even lower than May (i don't know how the army does estimates), and still way down for the year. One would be hard pressed to call the recruitment situation "good."
Engineer
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Very much like the "Surplus" thread of the past.
The Army is down 14% of it's "yearly" goal so far this year. Families (with now only 26% of the US people supporting the decision to go to war) are encouraging their children "NOT" to go to the armed forces (at least the Army/Marines).
The Army is down 14% of it's "yearly" goal so far this year. Families (with now only 26% of the US people supporting the decision to go to war) are encouraging their children "NOT" to go to the armed forces (at least the Army/Marines).
cKGunslinger
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This isn't OT where the mods have to come lock things up before the little boys on summer vacation start whining.
There is good debate going on in here on a legitimate topic, despite the trollish nature of the OP.
Look at the facts. The Army lowered their May goal by 1,300 or so, IIRC, and they still fell short by twenty-five percent.
June arrives. Graduation. Recruitment time. Yet the Army's June goal is lower than May's goal. But they managed to make it. Good press. And they claim they didn't lower the goal.
:roll:
Right.
And Bush said Saddam's WMD was a threat to America.
And you still believe that too.
Duh.
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