umbrella39
Lifer
The only failed strategy that matters is that of our current administration who either thought this would be a cakewalk or more likely, didn't care if it wasn't. They aren't the ones paying the ultimate price.
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The only failed strategy that matters is that of our current administration who either thought this would be a cakewalk or more likely, didn't care if it wasn't. They aren't the ones paying the ultimate price.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
Actually, my 😕 was in ponderance of your lack of cheer in your original post. If you truly believe that our men and women in uniform are murders, underserving of sympathy, why aren't you cheering the fact that the number of them are decreasing?
But by all means, if you'd rather just cry, don't let me stand in your way. :tissue;
Steeplerot
Lifer
what does that have to do with anything besdies your childish partisan attempts to discredict forum members to cover your apologism for never ending lies on this forum...get a grip..
Steeplerot
Lifer
becasue, he is calling it as it is, doesent mean he needs to support or be proud of the sad truth.
thats for twits like you to flounder for logic for..
I haven't heard of Navy or Air Force tours in the Mid East being extended like the Army.
I haven't heard of Navy or Air Force personnel being involuntarily retained or prohibited from retiring like the Army.
It was General Helmly that warned Congress that the Army Reserve and National Guard were soon going to be a "broken force".
It was General Shinseki that stated the need for several hundred thousand ground troops to properly handle Iraq. Rumsfeld forced him into retirement for that.
You don't have to a liberal to recognize the facts. The experts, in uniform, have been attempting to educate the civilans in the administration of the impending manpower shortage since before the Iraq war began.
Genral Petraeus hasn't been able to stand up an Iraqi security force. He's been at it for over two years now.
The Army, the largest branch of the military has widely missed its reduced recruiting goals. The sun rises in the east. Gravity is a constant. When the facts don't suit the neocon mentality, the messenger is attacked. I had no idea that AP was a "liberal" news source.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
Cool. 😎 I know I'll sleep easier at night knowing that none of you 3 twits will be on the battlefield.
Heh heh you are a hoot Steeple. Forgive me while I continue to go off-topic for a bit here.
Let's break down Steeplebot's response.
Why that's a good question. Let's apply that to your first post in this thread, shall we?
You've all the discrediting yourself. I merely present it.
That's an interesting accusation. I'm sure you could document that with some posts of mine, eh?:roll:
Yes yes, any time it's your point of view, it's the unadulterated truth, and everythign else is a lie. Got it. Such the open minded punk rocker. All is revealed by wearing white makeup past 30. Moonbeam never told me that!
Oh I've had a grip. My word is worth something, unlike yours.
Anyhoo, I'll back out of this thread and let you and Barneyfife continue to share all bits of wisdom, both being the two most respected, honest, and forthright members of this forum. Although I did notice BF admit he was partisan hack, nice to see some honesty, but the "not being a troll" and the whining for moderator assistance gave me a grin.
Steeplerot
Lifer
please, your not even worthy of being called partisan hack....just a drama queen
I am not even sure if you even know anything about politics besides right-wing blowhard talking points.
You sure seem to be a major outcast though...
I am not even sure if you even know anything about politics besides right-wing blowhard talking points.
You sure seem to be a major outcast though...
cKGunslinger
Lifer
Here's a :beer: You're gonna need it for one of them.. 😛
Zebo
Elite Member
Yea and now they have lowered the standards you can be a HS funky and even have a criminal record and they want you. They use of foreign mercenaries paid with US citizenship (hello loyalty?). Maybe we should start calling the "the american Legion" "the foreign legion" instead. Forgot the general who said it but he was pissed off about the caliber of troops and what that meant and how it reflected on us. Course they put him on the straight flight into retirement.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/19/foreign.legion/
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Good hopefully they will be forced to do the draft and get the Bush twins. :thumbsup:
Zebo
Drop outs: Before the Army would accept a certain (smallish) % of people who only had GEDs... but they had to score higher on the ASVAB than a HS graduate. Now, if the recruit can hit that ASVAB score, the Army will help them get a GED.
Sounds like a good program, for the Army and the recruit. Don't you think this is a little different than the Army opening the floodgates to any dope who has dropped out of school- which is what you seem to imply? Because you obviously have a problem with this program... maybe you can explain why?
Criminal record: This is the same policy the Army has had for years. Very few people will ever get in with a felony. As the article states, "Some minor crimes may be overlooked if significant time has passed since you were convicted and have since had no other felonies. Still, this day and age it's highly unlikely you'll be able to join up, the Army is very picky about recruits and wants the best candidates they can get."
This also sounds reasonable to me. You make it sound as if the Army is raiding prisons to find recruits. Please explain why you're against this policy too, if you could.
Drop outs: Before the Army would accept a certain (smallish) % of people who only had GEDs... but they had to score higher on the ASVAB than a HS graduate. Now, if the recruit can hit that ASVAB score, the Army will help them get a GED.
Sounds like a good program, for the Army and the recruit. Don't you think this is a little different than the Army opening the floodgates to any dope who has dropped out of school- which is what you seem to imply? Because you obviously have a problem with this program... maybe you can explain why?
Criminal record: This is the same policy the Army has had for years. Very few people will ever get in with a felony. As the article states, "Some minor crimes may be overlooked if significant time has passed since you were convicted and have since had no other felonies. Still, this day and age it's highly unlikely you'll be able to join up, the Army is very picky about recruits and wants the best candidates they can get."
This also sounds reasonable to me. You make it sound as if the Army is raiding prisons to find recruits. Please explain why you're against this policy too, if you could.
Zebo
Elite Member
Why? because it's a lot of power to give to the dregs of society, the power of life and death. In turn, hiring fusk ups always leads to fusked up results. For example recent cociane smuggleing by a platoon stationed in South America and umteen incidents in Iraq which makes USA look bad and ultimatly me and you and america look bad. You know like this torture stuff by amateurs. Zero results just bad press and ruined lives.
We do more srutinizing for PO's who have waaaay less leeway on thier rules of engagment. Must have good credit. No felonies period and usually no misdemeanors other than traffic. Must score very high on standardized testing. Somewhat like officers in our military but even more stringent with psycological exams too. Why you think that is?
I'm not alone in thinking we should ask more, a lot more, from the recruits. Course the military is cheap and does'nt want to pay what it would take to get real live Americans, high school grads with excellent grades and top university grads. And the mission is a poor one so anyone with half a brain not living hand to mouth is going to stay as far away from combat rates as possible. So the army takes what they can get. (not just criminal and "underacheivers" but recently bumping enlistment age by 7 years for example)
So why again? 1) Garbage in Garbage out. 2) Discourages a lot of otherwise qualified good people who don't want to be surrounded by dregs, taught by dregs. People want to be thought of as elite, nothing elite about sevice today when they take bottom of barrel and wll take anyone and have guarnteed promotion schemes aka "rubber stamping".
You know guys at Yale (the most elite university in USA IMO) it was an honor to join to military in WW2? Almost all did and Yale even set up a program which gave you 1 year credit for elistment once you got back. Try and recruit at YALE today if you're not laughed off campus by students and faculty first...you won't get anyone. Thier not recruiting at Yale, or my Private school (hargrave) but in da hood or country bumpkins who don't know any better.
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