Army faces worst recruiting slump in years

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[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Why? because it's a lot of power to give to the dregs of society, the power of life and death. In turn, hiring fusk ups always leads to fusked up results. For example recent cociane smuggleing by a platoon stationed in South America and umteen incidents in Iraq which makes USA look bad and ultimatly me and you and america look bad. You know like this torture stuff by amateurs. Zero results just bad press and ruined lives.

We do more srutinizing for PO's who have waaaay less leeway on thier rules of engagment. Must have good credit. No felonies period and usually no misdemeanors other than traffic. Must score very high on standardized testing. Somewhat like officers in our military but even more stringent with psycological exams too. Why you think that is?

I'm not alone in thinking we should ask more, a lot more, from the recruits. Course the military is cheap and does'nt want to pay what it would take to get real live Americans, high school grads with excellent grades and top university grads. And the mission is a poor one so anyone with half a brain not living hand to mouth is going to stay as far away from combat rates as possible. So the army takes what they can get. (not just criminal and "underacheivers" but recently bumping enlistment age by 7 years for example)

So why again? 1) Garbage in Garbage out. 2) Discourages a lot of otherwise qualified good people who don't want to be surrounded by dregs, taught by dregs. People want to be thought of as elite, nothing elite about sevice today when they take bottom of barrel and wll take anyone and have guarnteed promotion schemes aka "rubber stamping".

You know guys at Yale (the most elite university in USA IMO) it was an honor to join to military in WW2? Almost all did and Yale even set up a program which gave you 1 year credit for elistment once you got back. Try that today if you're not laughed off campus by students and faculty. Thier not recruiting at Yale, or my Private school (hargrave) but in da hood or country bumpkins

All wrong. I think it must have been a while since you were in the service...

First, I wouldn't necessarily call someone who drops out of HS, but scores 50+ on the ASVAB and wants to get their GED a dreg of society. I wouldn't necessarily call a person who screwed up once and got a minor felony -but as been clean for a good while- a dreg of society. Maybe this is because I think I grew up in a very different environment than you... I've known plenty of these so-called "dregs."

I understand stupid people will often do stupid things, and it makes everyone look bad. But you have not convinced me that the type of people we're talking about are a huge risk.

I've been around plenty of these "sketchy" characters, and most of the time, they've more than proven themselves to be good people in a variety of ways. In fact, people who have faced hardships often try extra hard to make it a good go. Likewise, I've seen HS grads with clean records be completely lousy people.

Setting aside my personal experience, I haven't seen any evidence that military f*ck-ups like the ones you've described are the result of the type of people we're discussing.

You are also ignorant, in that many high quality people, including top college graduates, DO go into enlisted and officer positions yearly. Of course there's a fair amount of 'lower' individuals... always has been, always will be. I can assure you they don't rise well and are usually shown the door asap.

And now you have a problem with increasing the admission age? I'm sorry bud, but you're simply coming off as a cynical blow-hard. Jeez...

Not everyone is as elitist as you. I don't believe the military is losing all kinds of people because they don't want to rub elbows with dregs. Please. There are plenty of more elite avenues within the military, and they are taken advantage of by its people. And you're deluded if you think the service isn't viewed the same way on college campuses as before because they are low level garbage. Riiiiight.... you must have missed the 60s.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

All wrong. I think it must have been a while since you were in the service...

And you probaly have NEVER been in the military...there are some STUPID motherfvckers in the service...no kidding...I think it's a requirement to get timely promotions actually..

the dumber you are the further you can succeed... :laugh:

(granted it is not your job to think but to obey)

 

[maluckey]

Steeplerot

You know this HOW???

I thought so. Opinions matter not without facts and/or actual experience. Tell a West Pointer that his University only lets in

STUPID motherfvckers

Some of the greatest figures in United States History were West Point Graduates.

I'd wager many civilians ASVAB scores wouldn't rank well with some of the "stupid" people in even my small unit. We have full-ride scholarship soldiers attending Battle Assembly just to be a part of the military as their fathers had before them. Not to brag, but with GT score of over 125, ST scores of over 130, they rank among the cream of the crop in ANY profession.

Before you label, you should meet and actually talk to some soldiers that are NOT just 11B.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: cwjerome

All wrong. I think it must have been a while since you were in the service...

And you probaly have NEVER been in the military...there are some STUPID motherfvckers in the service...no kidding...I think it's a requirement to get timely promotions actually..

the dumber you are the further you can succeed... :laugh:

(granted it is not your job to think but to obey)

Why are you even f*cking talking about the military? You know jack sh*t and your posts are embarassing. There STUPID people everywhere, including skanky ass, green haired subMarxist wannabes who are ranking members in the local rent-a-mob and sometimes post horribly ignorant sleaze on P&N.