Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

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DrDoug

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You can spend as much or little time as you want explaining why you feel that they are too different to be compared. You are trying to justify that its ok that you continued to post in a thread for 3 months after calling it pathetic because the topic was not as important to you. This topic is considered more important to you so therefore you have to question why someone would post in a topic that is considered worthless to them..

Ok. :D

I asked him a question, didn't I? Let him explain it if he wishes to. I get it thet you're butthurt about someone calling the GG 'movement' what it is, pathetic.

Too bad, so sad. Go ahead and keep whining about it though.
 

DrDoug

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The Bundy Boy who was tasked with fundraising for the gang and who decided to take the donations, rent a motel room, eat at a local establishment and get drunk seems to have a history of this:
About 1 year ago Capt. O showed up in southern AZ along with members of other groups from around the country to take part in a border exercise that we were helping facilitate at the request of the Colorado Militia. He arrived not as a member of those groups but as a lone individual who had been told about the dates and locations for the operation by third parties. Again, after only a few days Joe began telling Militia members that he had used crowdfunding to purchase a brand new jeep, though these crowdfunding requests for donations said the money was going to be used to fund the border exercise which upset many of the members on site. His presence came to a head when it was discovered he had purchased a few large bottles of Jack Daniels which he had been drinking both on and off duty in his tent, just to clarify he was using donation money to buy himself a new Jeep as well as liquor just as he is accused now. When the chain of command found out that he was intoxicated while handling firearms he was expelled from our camp and told never to return.
Maybe they should to change their name to the Keystone Militia. Drinking, stolen valor, stolen donations, fighting, taking over an empty federal bird sanctuary, no logistics and so much more!

All they need are some pies.
 
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JSt0rm

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This is about the level of cognitive ability I expect from people who live such rural lives. Skin a deer? Sure no problem? Set up logistics for multiple incoming camps of people and deal with national media? Nope.
 

DrDoug

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Reports are that about twelve members of another militia group has arrived to secure a perimeter around the first militia group to protect them from the feds. Concrete barricades were being set up around the local courthouse and sheriff's department. Kids are supposed to be going back to school but with the arrival of another militia group that may change.

At least the local stores, bars and motels are making money in the dead of winter...lol!
 

DrDoug

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^^^WTF^^^

Why is the area not locked down?

I'm asking myself the same thing. Why haven't they at least secured the surrounding roads and control access? Now we have two out of state militia groups here and the sheriff's response is to erect barricades around the courthouse and his office?

This is nuts.
 

DrDoug

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This is just stupid:
Occupier Duane Ehmer of Oregon wrote on his Facebook page that he left the refuge to put in some hours.
“I just got back home from the bundy/ Hammond stand off I have to work a few days before I go back,” Duane Ehmer wrote on his Facebook page, adding later, “bringing more guns.”
So not only are they allowed to take over the refuge but they can go home, work, rest, relax, reload and head back? I wrote Sen. Wyden and asked his office (poltely) wtf is going on and why isn't anyone doing anything about the crazy guys with the guns. I also wrote Rep. DeFazio and told him to tap Rep. Walden on the shoulder and ask him to check back in his district to see how things are going for his folks.

Word is that the Bundy's have been sending their demands to the local, state and federal government for the last couple of months. On December 15th, they held a 'town hall' in Burns that was attended by the posse and some of the locals. They aired their grievances about how their official notices to the elected officials were being ignored and harped about how this meant that they were being forced to move to the next stage and form their safety committee, whose purpose is to issue warrants and orders that the militia executes. For example, the warrants are for the arrests of local officials, state officials, federal officials, judges, police chiefs, sheriffs and anybody else that they think has broken the law as (they interpret it).

Well, they did it at that meeting. A few locals and the militia voted to form the committee and select members to head it. Word is that the 3%er militia who arrived today from Idaho will soon be assisted by the 1%er militia that is supposed to be on the way. At that point it's possible that they may try to arrest local officials in Harney County, thus the barricades at the courthouse and sheriff's office.

I sure hope some adults head over there to put a stop to this madness.
 

zinfamous

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This is about the level of cognitive ability I expect from people who live such rural lives. Skin a deer? Sure no problem? Set up logistics for multiple incoming camps of people and deal with national media? Nope.

They should recruit some ISIS consultants to train them how to run a real insurgency.
 

Jhhnn

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I'm asking myself the same thing. Why haven't they at least secured the surrounding roads and control access? Now we have two out of state militia groups here and the sheriff's response is to erect barricades around the courthouse and his office?

This is nuts.

Not really. The authorities are likely planning ahead with the barricades for the day that the insurgency will be arrested & arraigned.

The rest? The authorities may just be baiting the trap. Draw 'em in & then freeze/starve 'em into surrender. Access & power can be cut at will. Winter is brutal & Spring is a long ways off in Burns.
 
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Not really. The authorities are likely planning ahead with the barricades for the day that the insurgency will be arrested & arraigned.

The rest? The authorities may just be baiting the trap. Draw 'em in & then freeze/starve 'em into surrender. Access & power can be cut at will. Winter is brutal & Spring is a long ways off in Burns.

Or they could be stubborn underfunded people that can't take suggestions.
 
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http://nyti.ms/1JA948I

"Homeland Security Looked Past Antigovernment Movement, Ex-Analyst Says"

Daryl Johnson once worked in the branch of the Department of Homeland Security that studied the threats posed by antigovernment groups. His former office was shut down more than five years ago.
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In 2009, the former analyst wrote a report that warned of a growing antigovernment movement and the possible recruitment of returning military veterans that could “lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone-wolf extremists.”


His words drew fierce criticism from Republican lawmakers and conservative news media, labeling the report an unfair assessment of legitimate criticisms of the government. The document was retracted after Janet Napolitano, who was then the Homeland Security secretary, apologized to veterans, and the Extremism and Radicalization Branch was quietly dismantled.
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Some lawmakers and former intelligence analysts, such as Mr. Johnson, say the department has allocated significant resources to combating violent extremism among Muslims, but has failed to gather the intelligence needed to fight right-wing extremism in the United States.
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Citing data from a 2013 report produced by the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center, Mr. Ellison said, “Right-wing extremists have launched an average of 330 attacks a year and killed about 250 people between 2002 and 2011. These are dangerous people.”
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We should stop treating them with kid gloves. I don't necessarily advocate a violent response to them at the moment, but why is the Federal Government not moving in on them? There should have been charges brought against the clowns who pointed weapons at federal officials at the Bundy clown show and they should be making moves against the current batch of clowns here.
 

Jaskalas

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This is just stupid:So not only are they allowed to take over the refuge but they can go home, work, rest, relax, reload and head back?

Maybe they're letting them leave but not return?
Should be road blocks up.
 
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^^^not saying its right, I think Obama knows he is a lightning rod to these guys and its best if they are treated gently. The next President may be able to handle them better. Obama probably feels once he is out of office these yahoos will calm down.
 

IronWing

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^^^not saying its right, I think Obama knows he is a lightning rod to these guys and its best if they are treated gently. The next President may be able to handle them better. Obama probably feels once he is out of office these yahoos will calm down.
As long as they're calming down in prison, it works for me.
 

ivwshane

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http://nyti.ms/1JA948I

"Homeland Security Looked Past Antigovernment Movement, Ex-Analyst Says"


We should stop treating them with kid gloves. I don't necessarily advocate a violent response to them at the moment, but why is the Federal Government not moving in on them? There should have been charges brought against the clowns who pointed weapons at federal officials at the Bundy clown show and they should be making moves against the current batch of clowns here.

I guess even talking about them wasn't PC. Good thing those anti PC Republicans didn't stand for that. /s