Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

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Jhhnn

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DrDoug said:
That sounds about right... as usual, follow the money. Somewhat relating to what you are saying, here's an article from someone who ostensibly supports people who have problems with how the government does things and yet they vehemently disagree with the Ol' Man Bundy and his kids. The went to the refuge in search of kindred souls and found nothing of the kind.

It's a bit long but read the whole thing... I was very surprised by the way this person saw the occupation and not only that, but they see a much bigger picture in the advocacy of selling off our public lands (or turning them over to the state) and what it would do to our country.

This person gets it...
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Thank you. Hal Herring does indeed get it.
 
waggy

waggy

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DrDoug said:
That sounds about right... as usual, follow the money. Somewhat relating to what you are saying, here's an article from someone who ostensibly supports people who have problems with how the government does things and yet they vehemently disagree with the Ol' Man Bundy and his kids. The went to the refuge in search of kindred souls and found nothing of the kind.

It's a bit long but read the whole thing... I was very surprised by the way this person saw the occupation and not only that, but they see a much bigger picture in the advocacy of selling off our public lands (or turning them over to the state) and what it would do to our country.

This person gets it...
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Most get it. These people were nutcase's. they weren't trying to help people they were trying to get something for nothing.

I see people in this thread put down country living people, "rednecks", etc. What they don't get is most of those they are putting down don't agree with these idiots.

Most may believe in the 2nd,. want less government etc. BUT they understand the need to protect the land. That people fucked it up because they could and didn't care for the future.

Also going in with guns and taking over property is plain old terrorism.
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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DrDoug said:
That sounds about right... as usual, follow the money. Somewhat relating to what you are saying, here's an article from someone who ostensibly supports people who have problems with how the government does things and yet they vehemently disagree with the Ol' Man Bundy and his kids. The went to the refuge in search of kindred souls and found nothing of the kind.

It's a bit long but read the whole thing... I was very surprised by the way this person saw the occupation and not only that, but they see a much bigger picture in the advocacy of selling off our public lands (or turning them over to the state) and what it would do to our country.

This person gets it...
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excellent read. :thumbsup:
 
hal2kilo

hal2kilo

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DrDoug said:
That sounds about right... as usual, follow the money. Somewhat relating to what you are saying, here's an article from someone who ostensibly supports people who have problems with how the government does things and yet they vehemently disagree with the Ol' Man Bundy and his kids. The went to the refuge in search of kindred souls and found nothing of the kind.

It's a bit long but read the whole thing... I was very surprised by the way this person saw the occupation and not only that, but they see a much bigger picture in the advocacy of selling off our public lands (or turning them over to the state) and what it would do to our country.

This person gets it...
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Sometimes it's worth spending the time to read a link. Very good article. He understands that if these people get what they want, turning the land over to the state, or selling it to private owners, they will end of with diddly. Which is way less than what they have now, which is a free lunch.
 
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Gonad the Barbarian

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hal2kilo said:
No doubt about that. He clearly saw the insanity of what some of them could explain to him.
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Well if it changed his own thoughts he doesn't say. Which hits on my gripe with a lot of these people who "disagree" with the Bundies. That only seemed to happen at some point well after this standoff started, despite it being keenly evident what they were about since their ranch standoff in 2014. For anyone that really "gets it," they would have known the Bundies (or the Hammonds for that matter) were on the dangerous side of crazy from the beginning. And a lot of these folks that only now "disagree" are maybe (probably?) just not quite as far down the scale.
 
DrDoug

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Gonad the Barbarian said:
Meh, he was still admittedly looking for kindred spirits in the guns = liberation department.
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To clarify... when I said that Hal "gets it" I meant that he understands the cascading disasters we would face if public lands were turned over to the states and/or sold off to the highest bidder. He "gets it" in that he knows the history of public lands and the bastard cattle barons that were doing everything they could to suck them all up for themselves. He may disagree vehemently with the Bundy gang but he's just a saner version of them.

At least he knows his history and is in no hurry to repeat it. I'll give him kudos for that.
 
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Jhhnn

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DrDoug said:
To clarify... when I said that Hal "gets it" I meant that he understands the cascading disasters we would face if public lands were turned over to the states and/or sold off to the highest bidder. He "gets it" in that he knows the history of public lands and the bastard cattle barons that were doing everything they could to suck them all up for themselves. He may disagree vehemently with the Bundy gang but he's just a saner version of them.

At least he knows his history and is in no hurry to repeat it. I'll give him kudos for that.
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I think he's quite sane because he employs a great deal of introspection. He can look at himself & what he believes in a critical & clinical fashion, like this-

Crackpots are drawn to such an open event like moths to a halogen light (and, no, I do not automatically exempt myself from the category).
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Despite his disdain for government he realizes that government is the only thing that can preserve the West for the benefit of all of us rather than for the benefit of the few. He rubs the little grey cells together quite well.
 
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Gonad the Barbarian

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One question I wonder every time that phrase is brought up is why not better government? Small government, either in size or scope, is not going to fix the legitimate issues Mr. Herring brings up and hits on exactly why at least on the public land issue even if maybe he doesn't realize it.
 
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Jhhnn

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Gonad the Barbarian said:
One question I wonder every time that phrase is brought up is why not better government? Small government, either in size or scope, is not going to fix the legitimate issues Mr. Herring brings up and hits on exactly why at least on the public land issue even if maybe he doesn't realize it.
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The whole "smaller govt" song & dance is designed to take power away from the voters & create a power vacuum for corporate entities to fill, obviously in non-democratic ways.

Selling off public lands is just one aspect of it. A self regulated financial sector is another.
 
SMOGZINN

SMOGZINN

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Jhhnn said:
The whole "smaller govt" song & dance is designed to take power away from the voters & create a power vacuum for corporate entities to fill, obviously in non-democratic ways.

Selling off public lands is just one aspect of it. A self regulated financial sector is another.
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This exactly, small government is just another way of saying corporate oligarchy.
 
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Gonad the Barbarian

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More indictments:

Melvin D. Bundy, 41, of Round Mountain, Nevada

David H. Bundy, 39, of Delta, Utah

Brian D. Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville

Blaine Cooper, 36, of Humboldt, Arizona

Gerald A. DeLemus, 61, of Rochester, New Hampshire

Eric J. Parker, 32, of Hailey, Idaho

O. Scott Drexler, 44, of Challis, Idaho

Richard R. Lovelien, 52, of Westville, Oklahoma

Steven A. Stewart, 36, of Hailey

Todd C. Engel, 48, of Boundary County, Idaho

Gregory P. Burleson, 52, of Phoenix

Joseph D. O’Shaughnessy, 43, of Cottonwood, Arizona

Micah L. McGuire, 31, of Chandler, Arizona

Jason D. Woods, 30, of Chandler, Arizona

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/doj-charges-14-nevada-standoff

Eric J. Parker is this guy:
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Jhhnn

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It was all fun & games until the cell door clanged shut behind 'em.

If I understand federal prosecutors at all those boys will be some hurtin' units before it ends.

Federal prosecutors take pride in their work, figure the louder the perp howls the better they're doing their job.
 
RampantAndroid

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evident said:
what a fucking moron. plowed right into the fucking police barrier. clearly looked like he was going to reach for a weapon as well. are these fucking idiots in the youtube comments for real??
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You do realize that there is presently an investigation into the FBI team present - they refused to report that they had fired two shots. Specifically, the two shots just as the truck gets stuck in the snow, where one bullet goes through the window (it apparently entered through the roof somehow) and the second round just went way wide and missed EVERYTHING. It sounds like it's quite possible that charges will be brought for misconduct...
 
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