'Ark of the Covenant' about to be unveiled

[waggy]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
*snip*
and Atlantis was also an actual place whats your point?

History fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis

Since you can't tell the difference between something that is archeologically recognized as being very probably myth and something that is archeological fact I'd recommend listening and learning from others in the thread.

very probably myth lol ok......thats a funny defense in a religious thread.

This isn't a religious thread, dolt. This is a thread about a possible historical find. It is unlikely to be a TRUE find but it is possible.

The patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia says he will announce to the world Friday the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, perhaps the world's most prized archaeological and spiritual artifact, which he says has been hidden away in a church in his country for millennia, according to the Italian news agency Adnkronos.

Abuna Pauolos, in Italy for a meeting with Pope Benedict XVI this week, told the news agency, "Soon the world will be able to admire the Ark of the Covenant described in the Bible as the container of the tablets of the law that God delivered to Moses and the center of searches and studies for centuries."


I don't know what made me think this had to do with religion. I guess me, the patriarch of the orthodox church of ethiopia and the pope are all dolts.

It's not a religion thread because this thread does not deal with religious belief but whether or not the find is a legitimate historical artifact or a fake.

Nobody's debating whether it has mystical powers.
Nobody's debating whether God used to live in this box.
Nobody's debating whether or not God exists.
Nobody's debating whether or not we're going to hell.

Now, if you WANT to start a debate about those or other matters of belief, have at it. I'm enjoying the thread from a completely non-religious perspective about whether or not this is a box that was carried around by the religious class of a tribal people 4,000 years ago.

Without any of that its not an ark of the covenant its just a box.

now you are starting to get it! while its not any box (its also NOT the ark described in the bible) it is something more and historicly important.

sometimes its better ot do a little research before you make yourself look like a fool.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Crono
I really doubt they have the actual Ark.

Why?

because religion is phoney

edit: plus they've had thousands of years and unlimited cash to come up with an elaborate forgery and backstory.

Regardless if religion is phony are you debating the pyramids and temple of solomon exist?

There is a lot of hokey stuff out there, but if you start back and read the history and move forward there is a lot to understand.

very little has to do with anything the vatican stands for.

I don't think you understand enough to argue this topics...even with that zietgiest link you have in your sig.

Religion and the vatican are mutually exclusive. Because one thing is wrong, doesn't mean another is.

Even outside of all the 'magic' and 'miracles' the pure history of the events show a pretty interesting story.

Problem is most are too brainwashed to read it properly and interject their own words/stories into the others.

If this is the actual ark I will forever stop using the internet.

PLEASE BE THE ACTUAL ARK!!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I bet it's just an old Coke bottle.

KT

The gods MUST BE CRAZY !! a old coke bottle!? pfft.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
*snip*
and Atlantis was also an actual place whats your point?

History fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis

Since you can't tell the difference between something that is archeologically recognized as being very probably myth and something that is archeological fact I'd recommend listening and learning from others in the thread.

very probably myth lol ok......thats a funny defense in a religious thread.

This isn't a religious thread, dolt. This is a thread about a possible historical find. It is unlikely to be a TRUE find but it is possible.

The patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia says he will announce to the world Friday the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, perhaps the world's most prized archaeological and spiritual artifact, which he says has been hidden away in a church in his country for millennia, according to the Italian news agency Adnkronos.

Abuna Pauolos, in Italy for a meeting with Pope Benedict XVI this week, told the news agency, "Soon the world will be able to admire the Ark of the Covenant described in the Bible as the container of the tablets of the law that God delivered to Moses and the center of searches and studies for centuries."


I don't know what made me think this had to do with religion. I guess me, the patriarch of the orthodox church of ethiopia and the pope are all dolts.

It's not a religion thread because this thread does not deal with religious belief but whether or not the find is a legitimate historical artifact or a fake.

Nobody's debating whether it has mystical powers.
Nobody's debating whether God used to live in this box.
Nobody's debating whether or not God exists.
Nobody's debating whether or not we're going to hell.

Now, if you WANT to start a debate about those or other matters of belief, have at it. I'm enjoying the thread from a completely non-religious perspective about whether or not this is a box that was carried around by the religious class of a tribal people 4,000 years ago.

Without any of that its not an ark of the covenant its just a box.

now you are starting to get it! while its not any box (its also NOT the ark described in the bible) it is something more and historicly important.

sometimes its better ot do a little research before you make yourself look like a fool.

Everything I've ever read and/or seen about it is soaked in religious myth.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Everything I've ever read and/or seen about it is soaked in religious myth.

then read other stuff. sure nearly everything is going to mention the religious part. But there is enough not relibious based information that i am willing to say its a actual thing.

i am not saying it as it say in the bible.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
If this is the actual ark I will forever stop using the internet.

PLEASE BE THE ACTUAL ARK!!

If I was a praying man...

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
*snip*
I don't know what made me think this had to do with religion. I guess me, the patriarch of the orthodox church of ethiopia and the pope are all dolts.

It's not a religion thread because this thread does not deal with religious belief but whether or not the find is a legitimate historical artifact or a fake.

Nobody's debating whether it has mystical powers.
Nobody's debating whether God used to live in this box.
Nobody's debating whether or not God exists.
Nobody's debating whether or not we're going to hell.

Now, if you WANT to start a debate about those or other matters of belief, have at it. I'm enjoying the thread from a completely non-religious perspective about whether or not this is a box that was carried around by the religious class of a tribal people 4,000 years ago.

Without any of that its not an ark of the covenant its just a box.

now you are starting to get it! while its not any box (its also NOT the ark described in the bible) it is something more and historicly important.

sometimes its better ot do a little research before you make yourself look like a fool.

Everything I've ever read and/or seen about it is soaked in religious myth.

The Roman exhibit was at the Seattle Art Museum recently; everything in it was soaked in Roman religious myth. It was still historically valuable.
Greek artifacts are soaked in religious myth. It is still historically valuable.
Italian Renaissance art is all about Christian religious myth. It is still historically valuable.

Just because something was connected to religion does not render the it less relevant to the history of the world.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
*snip*
I don't know what made me think this had to do with religion. I guess me, the patriarch of the orthodox church of ethiopia and the pope are all dolts.

It's not a religion thread because this thread does not deal with religious belief but whether or not the find is a legitimate historical artifact or a fake.

Nobody's debating whether it has mystical powers.
Nobody's debating whether God used to live in this box.
Nobody's debating whether or not God exists.
Nobody's debating whether or not we're going to hell.

Now, if you WANT to start a debate about those or other matters of belief, have at it. I'm enjoying the thread from a completely non-religious perspective about whether or not this is a box that was carried around by the religious class of a tribal people 4,000 years ago.

Without any of that its not an ark of the covenant its just a box.

now you are starting to get it! while its not any box (its also NOT the ark described in the bible) it is something more and historicly important.

sometimes its better ot do a little research before you make yourself look like a fool.

Everything I've ever read and/or seen about it is soaked in religious myth.

The Roman exhibit was at the Seattle Art Museum recently; everything in it was soaked in Roman religious myth. It was still historically valuable.
Greek artifacts are soaked in religious myth. It is still historically valuable.
Italian Renaissance art is all about Christian religious myth. It is still historically valuable.

Just because something was connected to religion does not render the it less relevant to the history of hte world.

I can concur but that wasn't what was said here.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Crono
I really doubt they have the actual Ark.

Why?

because religion is phoney

edit: plus they've had thousands of years and unlimited cash to come up with an elaborate forgery and backstory.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
*snip*
I don't know what made me think this had to do with religion. I guess me, the patriarch of the orthodox church of ethiopia and the pope are all dolts.

It's not a religion thread because this thread does not deal with religious belief but whether or not the find is a legitimate historical artifact or a fake.

Nobody's debating whether it has mystical powers.
Nobody's debating whether God used to live in this box.
Nobody's debating whether or not God exists.
Nobody's debating whether or not we're going to hell.

Now, if you WANT to start a debate about those or other matters of belief, have at it. I'm enjoying the thread from a completely non-religious perspective about whether or not this is a box that was carried around by the religious class of a tribal people 4,000 years ago.

Without any of that its not an ark of the covenant its just a box.

now you are starting to get it! while its not any box (its also NOT the ark described in the bible) it is something more and historicly important.

sometimes its better ot do a little research before you make yourself look like a fool.

Everything I've ever read and/or seen about it is soaked in religious myth.

The Roman exhibit was at the Seattle Art Museum recently; everything in it was soaked in Roman religious myth. It was still historically valuable.
Greek artifacts are soaked in religious myth. It is still historically valuable.
Italian Renaissance art is all about Christian religious myth. It is still historically valuable.

Just because something was connected to religion does not render the it less relevant to the history of hte world.

I can concur but that wasn't what was said here.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Crono
I really doubt they have the actual Ark.

Why?

because religion is phoney

edit: plus they've had thousands of years and unlimited cash to come up with an elaborate forgery and backstory.

So by "actual Ark" you didn't mean the gilded box carried around by the Israelites 4,000 years ago, you mean some powerful artifact that is going to melt people's faces off????

Yeah, nobody in this thread said they did...

 

[sao123]

this is wonderful news... but im a little skeptical.
if this were true... where is MSNBC / CNN etc?

surely someone would be all over this.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Yeah i don't know I guess there was alot of old boxes back in the day I'm not sure what makes one ark different from the other.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yeah i don't know I guess there was alot of old boxes back in the day I'm not sure what makes one ark different from the other.

When they dig up shards of glass in the desert that are from a broken piece of jewelry it is a historical find. When it's from a piece of Cleopatra's jewelry that was never mentioned in any historical documents it's a big historical find. When they find a piece of Cleopatra's jewelry that was given to her by Marc Antony and was documented once in historical literature it's a fantastic historical find.

Following that trend, finding an artifact that was mentioned thousands of times and was central to the beliefs and life of an entire people group for hundreds of years and has been a well-known part of human history ever since... that's a mind-blowing historical find. Even if there is no God, even if it's just a box. Can you grasp that?

 

[TwiceOver]

Going to be just like "The Shroud" where it sits in glass and nobody refutes it. I highly doubt that it has survived this many years without anyone hearing about it.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yeah i don't know I guess there was alot of old boxes back in the day I'm not sure what makes one ark different from the other.

Someone doesn't understand the concept of "historical significance".

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Going to be just like "The Shroud" where it sits in glass and nobody refutes it. I highly doubt that it has survived this many years without anyone hearing about it.

why not? it has happened many times.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yeah i don't know I guess there was alot of old boxes back in the day I'm not sure what makes one ark different from the other.

Someone doesn't understand the concept of "historical significance".

I concede. It's just not computing for me.

 

[Iron Woode]

http://weeklyworldnews.com/hea...the-covenant-revealed/

it must be true!!!!!!!!!

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yeah i don't know I guess there was alot of old boxes back in the day I'm not sure what makes one ark different from the other.

Someone doesn't understand the concept of "historical significance".

I concede. It's just not computing for me.

maybe you need to shed your layer of douchitude

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Crono
I really doubt they have the actual Ark.

Why?

Because the Bible does not say where it went, there are many theories on what happened to it, and the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia hasn't exactly been open with allowing investigation of the validity of the ark in their possession.

And they would benefit from presenting a fake because...

A. They believe it's real even if it isn't
B. The leadership of the denomination knows it's not real but has decided it's a beneficial and harmless aid to faith for others
C. They know it's not real but that it would really boost the exposure and interest in the orthodox church

A few options. I'm Christian but I'm not past being cynical about human motivations.

For the record, I have no idea of it's real or not and it doesn't impact me in a more than "that's cool" kind of way. It would be neat if it were real, answer one of history's mysteries.

FYI - Its not real.

You can not know this with certainty. I think it is entirely plausible that they have a historical piece that could be identified as the fabled Ark.

No, he's right. Teach me to read the quoted article without checking the source...

 

[Crono]

Even if they aren't doing some grand ceremony to reveal the Ark of the Covenant soon, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church does claim to possess it (they aren't the only ones who claim this), so most of the discussion here is still valid.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yeah i don't know I guess there was alot of old boxes back in the day I'm not sure what makes one ark different from the other.

Someone doesn't understand the concept of "historical significance".

I concede. It's just not computing for me.

Does it compute on something like this? http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...yprehistoricflute.html

No religion involved, just a historically significant find.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Crono
I really doubt they have the actual Ark.

Why?

because religion is phoney

edit: plus they've had thousands of years and unlimited cash to come up with an elaborate forgery and backstory.

Christian Lore has held for centuries that that particular church has the Ark of the Covenant, and supposedly portions of the True Cross in it.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yeah i don't know I guess there was alot of old boxes back in the day I'm not sure what makes one ark different from the other.

Someone doesn't understand the concept of "historical significance".

I concede. It's just not computing for me.

Does it compute on something like this? http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...yprehistoricflute.html

No religion involved, just a historically significant find.

thats just blows the mind.

 

[Kyteland]

You people are sure getting riled up over a fake news story. Here's another article for you.

:laugh:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Going to be just like "The Shroud" where it sits in glass and nobody refutes it. I highly doubt that it has survived this many years without anyone hearing about it.

why not? it has happened many times.

It's been known about....just that they have several arks...