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[Victorian Gray]

Its not my belief.

Its reality. Every time we have a Muslim terrorist attack, the left says it has nothing to do with Islam/muslims.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/09/11/3566181/why-isis-is-in-fact-not-islamic/

I'm sure think progress is ran by hardcore conservatives. /s

That article does not say what you seem to think it does.

 

[michal1980]

That article does not say what you seem to think it does.

oh it does. It establishes the deep denial of reality the left has.

 

[agent00f]

Its not my belief.

Its reality. Every time we have a Muslim terrorist attack, the left says it has nothing to do with Islam/muslims.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/09/11/3566181/why-isis-is-in-fact-not-islamic/

I'm sure think progress is ran by hardcore conservatives. /s

If you want to understand this issue, ponder the difference between these two sentences for a bit:

1. That guy who attack us is a Muslim.

2. That guy attacked us only because he's Muslim, and we're not.

Once you figure that out the situation will become clear. For example, if he only attacked us because we're not muslim, then why is he mostly attacking other muslims?

If this is too hard, ask for help instead of shitposting.

 

[MongGrel]

Let's be honest, we'd all go to visit that one!

It would be more entertaining than the Ark, I imagine.

Its reality. Every time we have a Muslim terrorist attack, the left says it has nothing to do with Islam/muslims.

I can go on and on and on and on.

And you do, non stop.

Irregardless of if it makes sense or not.

 

[WelshBloke]

so who determines what is a ridiculously false belief?

This thread is a dog whistle for lefty bigots.

In what way is this a dog whistle? People are blatantly calling what they see as bullshit, bullshit.

 

[Victorian Gray]

oh it does. It establishes the deep denial of reality the left has.

No, really, it doesn't. Read it again.

 

[Subyman]

Yet in reality we see religious culture commonly practiced in europe these days without the ridiculous dogma.

The issue with focusing exclusively on religion is that it ignores the problematic common framework which continues to power nation states, large corps and so on. As social groups competing for mindshare, they're been gradually squeezing out religion and committing many of the same fouls. Eg. the secular wars of our times aren't any less brutal/destructive than previously religious ones.

This proves my point. Europe and other western cultures are moving away from religious dogma, even among those that say they are religious. People who claim to be religious yet reject the hard teachings of their religion are becoming less religious whether they believe it or not.

 

[agent00f]

This proves my point. Europe and other western cultures are moving away from religious dogma, even among those that say they are religious. People who claim to be religious yet reject the hard teachings of their religion are becoming less religious whether they believe it or not.

Sure, but the point is they didn't become non-religious.

Now if only we can start the same movement with similar dogma surrounding other social institutions.

 

[Subyman]

Sure, but the point is they didn't become non-religious.

Now if only we can start the same movement with similar dogma surrounding other social institutions.

Religion without adherence to the teachings isn't really religion anymore and it quickly fades. They are certainly on the path to non-religion and that doesn't diminish my original post at all.

 

[agent00f]

Religion without adherence to the teachings isn't really religion anymore and it quickly fades. They are certainly on the path to non-religion and that doesn't diminish my original post at all.

For example, physical churches don't disappear and still function as community centers under previous auspices for many days to come. Mass & such might in practice only serve as an excuse to bring people together, but that's a useful function nonetheless.

I'm sure we've all chastised the folks here who're are guilty of blaming the totality of a group/thing for bad elements within, when the focus should be on those elements across all groups/things.

 

[zinfamous]

oh it does. It establishes the deep denial of reality the left has.

don't you ever change, michal1980. The world would be a far too peaceful and boring place if you did.

 

[bshole]

don't you ever change, michal1980. The world would be a far too peaceful and boring place if you did.

Compare his posts to LegendKiller. Michael is sane but misguided. I have my worries about Legend.

 

[zinfamous]

Compare his posts to LegendKiller. Michael is sane but misguided. I have my worries about Legend.

LK took a serious left turn at the crazy station about 1 year ago didn't he?

 

[WelshBloke]

LK took a serious left turn at the crazy station about 1 year ago didn't he?

I think that it's a bit like the sith.

There's always one extreme nutter, and when he goes another steps up.
When Spidy went LK stepped up.

 

[Subyman]

For example, physical churches don't disappear and still function as community centers under previous auspices for many days to come. Mass & such might in practice only serve as an excuse to bring people together, but that's a useful function nonetheless.

I'm sure we've all chastised the folks here who're are guilty of blaming the totality of a group/thing for bad elements within, when the focus should be on those elements across all groups/things.

Well at that point it's just a practice of ceremony and nothing more.

 

[zinfamous]

I think that it's a bit like the sith.

There's always one extreme nutter, and when he goes another steps up.
When Spidy went LK stepped up.

you know, I think you're right.

 

[michal1980]

don't you ever change, michal1980. The world would be a far too peaceful and boring place if you did.

for p/n never.

Plus VG like always ignored the rest of my post.


I was, and am right, the left denies the connect between Islam and terror. Your newly crowned queen has so stated.

 

[michal1980]

I think that it's a bit like the sith.

There's always one extreme nutter, and when he goes another steps up.
When Spidy went LK stepped up.

or maybe its just the delusions in your head. you just have to keep creating alpha boogey men.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

or maybe its just the delusions in your head. you just have to keep creating alpha boogey men.

'alpha' *snort* hahhaha.. 'alpha' jeezus pleaseus.

 

[Victorian Gray]

for p/n never.

Plus VG like always ignored the rest of my post.


I was, and am right, the left denies the connect between Islam and terror. Your newly crowned queen has so stated.

Sorry, my queen was crowned a long time ago and I don't know as she's ever said anything in public about Islam

 

[agent00f]

Well at that point it's just a practice of ceremony and nothing more.

Most human bonding start with "nothing more" than the practice of shared ceremony.

If you look carefully the functional underpinnings of religion aren't really about god, but a set of practices that evolved for long term survival. For example, ritualistic sacrifice or such as a means to solve the free-loader problem.

 

[WelshBloke]

or maybe its just the delusions in your head. you just have to keep creating alpha boogey men.

Hardly bogey men, more nutters shouting into the ether.

 

[Subyman]

Most human bonding start with "nothing more" than the practice of shared ceremony.

If you look carefully the functional underpinnings of religion aren't really about god, but a set of practices that evolved for long term survival. For example, ritualistic sacrifice or such as a means to solve the free-loader problem.

We are no longer talking of religion then. You keep moving around.

Religion:
-the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
-a particular system of faith and worship

At the core of religion is dogma. Unquestionable components that are the foundation of the belief system that must be completely accepted through faith. You keep speaking of the exact things I talk about being displacers of religion in my first post: social gatherings, social constructs, literature (the bible without believing it), philosophy, etc. All of those do not require dogma and, in fact, reject it for rational debate.

Religion spins a web around those components, but they do not need religion to exist.

 

[agent00f]

We are no longer talking of religion then. You keep moving around.

At the core of religion is dogma. Unquestionable components that are the foundation of the belief system that must be completely accepted through faith. You keep speaking of the exact things I talk about being displacers of religion in my first post: social gatherings, social constructs, literature (the bible without believing it), philosophy, etc. All of those do not require dogma and, in fact, reject it for rational debate.

Religion spins a web around those components, but they do not need religion to exist.

You make the same mistake of overemphasizing the role of dogma as the religious do. Most all the important things, like work, family, war, etc, don't rely much on religious dogma per se, esp. considering how much the application of it changes with the political winds. More pointedly, religion has always served as the tool of men, to rationalize & propagate their self-interested decision making.

The prevalence of rational debate sans religion, let's say in the communist bloc, should illustrate just how much its elimination favors rationalism.

 

[bshole]

At the core of religion is dogma. Unquestionable components that are the foundation of the belief system that must be completely accepted through faith. You keep speaking of the exact things I talk about being displacers of religion in my first post: social gatherings, social constructs, literature (the bible without believing it), philosophy, etc. All of those do not require dogma and, in fact, reject it for rational debate.

Religion spins a web around those components, but they do not need religion to exist.

And they don't even have to be written in the book. Witness the adamant Christian aversion to abortion. Nowhere in their holy book is abortion prohibited. Their entire religion is based on divine command theory and they do not even require a written command. They invent a command, attribute it to God and that is the sum total of their rationale. Game, set and match. No Christian I know remotely follows much of what is in the Bible.