Arizonans with concealed weapons permits allowed to bring guns in bars starting Wednesday

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I've been thinking this over. If gun nuts are allowed to pack in a bar I want to be allowed to be able to pack also so I can protect myself from them. Fuck Wyatt Earp.

Want to go for a drink in Vermont?

Can I borrow a gun?

Last I heard they gave everyone one as you crossed the border.

Is that a gun in your pocket or are you thinking of Glen Beck?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I've been thinking this over. If gun nuts are allowed to pack in a bar I want to be allowed to be able to pack also so I can protect myself from them. Fuck Wyatt Earp.

Rumor is you knew Wyatt personally.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I've been thinking this over. If gun nuts are allowed to pack in a bar I want to be allowed to be able to pack also so I can protect myself from them. Fuck Wyatt Earp.

Rumor is you knew Wyatt personally.

I'm no Daisy

 

[Waylay00]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Waylay00

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

A quick check of TN law seems to show that carrying in a bar is not legal. I guess the law didn't stop him did it?

Actually, it is legal...

No, it is not:

39-17-1305. Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served. ? (a) It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm within the confines of a building open to the public where liquor, wine or other alcoholic beverages, as defined in § 57-3-101(a)(1)(A), or beer, as defined in § 57-6-102(1), are served for on premises consumption.

'

Source direct link from Tennessee.gov

Please try to be thorough with your facts before correcting someone. That wasn't a direct link from Tennessee.gov, which explains why it is outdated. For the record, it is legal now.

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/app...aspx?BillNumber=HB0962

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Bill/HB0962.pdf

 

[Lalakai]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I've been thinking this over. If gun nuts are allowed to pack in a bar I want to be allowed to be able to pack also so I can protect myself from them. Fuck Wyatt Earp.

.............slowly converting 'em one at a time

Just remember to be legal when carrying...get the required training....follow the laws regarding alcohol and CCW......have proper documentation with you.

for the most part, CCW folks are low key, don't want to attract attention, and are rather boring. there are the exceptions out there though.

 

[Fear No Evil]

If Red wants to come down to FL I'd let him shoot my gun. :Q

Interpret THAT as you may. :laugh:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Lalakai

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I've been thinking this over. If gun nuts are allowed to pack in a bar I want to be allowed to be able to pack also so I can protect myself from them. Fuck Wyatt Earp.

.............slowly converting 'em one at a time

Just remember to be legal when carrying...get the required training....follow the laws regarding alcohol and CCW......have proper documentation with you.

for the most part, CCW folks are low key, don't want to attract attention, and are rather boring. there are the exceptions out there though.

You'd be surprised how many HA's and 1%s are CCW Ho0lders

 

[LunarRay]

Well, I suppose if folks are to have a gun concealed on their person there must be some value enhancement to their quality of life that would be absent otherwise. I suppose it abates some element of fear. I presume they enjoy a sense of empowerment over what ever situations may arise that having this concealed weapon may convey. I don't think the kind of weapon concealable would be thought to be useful for hunting game animals but some hand guns certainly could. I see no point in my seeking to carry a concealed weapon given I'd opt of a more useful weapon whose configuration would not lend itself to being concealed. I'm thinking something on the order of a Barrett .50...

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well, I suppose if folks are to have a gun concealed on their person there must be some value enhancement to their quality of life that would be absent otherwise. I suppose it abates some element of fear. I presume they enjoy a sense of empowerment over what ever situations may arise that having this concealed weapon may convey. I don't think the kind of weapon concealable would be thought to be useful for hunting game animals but some hand guns certainly could. I see no point in my seeking to carry a concealed weapon given I'd opt of a more useful weapon whose configuration would not lend itself to being concealed. I'm thinking something on the order of a Barrett .50...

You should change your name to LooneyRay.

 

[dawp]

How's the bartender gonna know weather your carrying or not. after all this applys to conceal carry permits, and if it's not exposed and the carrier does not announce they have a gun, it's up to the carrier to follow the law. some will, but i think most wont. just another law to be disregarded by the average person.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well, I suppose if folks are to have a gun concealed on their person there must be some value enhancement to their quality of life that would be absent otherwise. I suppose it abates some element of fear. I presume they enjoy a sense of empowerment over what ever situations may arise that having this concealed weapon may convey. I don't think the kind of weapon concealable would be thought to be useful for hunting game animals but some hand guns certainly could. I see no point in my seeking to carry a concealed weapon given I'd opt of a more useful weapon whose configuration would not lend itself to being concealed. I'm thinking something on the order of a Barrett .50...

You should change your name to LooneyRay.

You made me chuckle.. thanks!

I'll take your suggestion under advisement.... After considerable thought, I've concluded that the basis underlying my choice of name for this forum has not changed. Besides, with a moonbeam and a lunarray I'd be hard pressed to ask Moonbeam to also change his name to Looneybeam... hehehehehe That would not be descriptive of him and what about all the moon rocks he created..??

 

[Lalakai]

Originally posted by: dawp
How's the bartender gonna know weather your carrying or not. after all this applys to conceal carry permits, and if it's not exposed and the carrier does not announce they have a gun, it's up to the carrier to follow the law. some will, but i think most wont. just another law to be disregarded by the average person.

not sure about this one. the CCW privalege was hard fought, and the consequences for violating the conditions of the CCW stictures can be pretty serious. not just a fine, but confiscature and prohibition of ever having CCW privaleges again; if it goes to felony status, then it impacts all other firearms that the person may own. I have no numbers to back it up, but i feel that most of the CCW folks value that right too high, to risk it over a drink.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I've concluded that the basis underlying my choice of name for this forum has not changed. Besides, with a moonbeam and a lunarray I'd be hard pressed to ask Moonbeam to also change his name to Looneybeam... hehehehehe That would not be descriptive of him and what about all the moon rocks he created..??

You and Moonie some kind of couple?

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Waylay00

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Waylay00

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

A quick check of TN law seems to show that carrying in a bar is not legal. I guess the law didn't stop him did it?

Actually, it is legal...

No, it is not:

39-17-1305. Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served. ? (a) It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm within the confines of a building open to the public where liquor, wine or other alcoholic beverages, as defined in § 57-3-101(a)(1)(A), or beer, as defined in § 57-6-102(1), are served for on premises consumption.

'

Source direct link from Tennessee.gov

Please try to be thorough with your facts before correcting someone. That wasn't a direct link from Tennessee.gov, which explains why it is outdated. For the record, it is legal now.

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/app...aspx?BillNumber=HB0962

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/106/Bill/HB0962.pdf

Your link states that it is now legal in places that serve alcohol as long as they are not in a part that is age restricted. You said your friend's father was in a bar, and that he was drinking. Bars are age restricted, and drinking is not allowed while carrying, so he was breaking both laws.

Also, the law making it legal to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol just went into affect in July 2009, when did your friend's father shoot this man? I cannot find any references to a man being shot at a bar in Memphis in the last 3 months?

And just to be clear, I did reach that information directly from the Tennessee state website.
Start at: http://www.tennessee.gov/safety/handgun/handguntca.htm
Go to the link Labeled Handgun Carry Permits, and then follow the link to Possession of firearm where alcoholic beverages are served.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
-snip-
Allows carrying (some open, some concealed) while drinking or even sometimes drunk: North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Utah (up to legal intoxication limit), Washington, Minnesota, Oregon, and a bunch more besides that I'm too tired to look up right now.

Allows carrying into restaurants with alcohol or sometimes bars: 37 states (feel free to google it yourself, or use this site or take the word of a number of news stories that all agree on that point which you can also google)

FYI - Those of us in North Carolina can NOT carry into any public establishment that both sells and serves alcohol (bar/club/restaurant).

Those of us in NC are also forbidden to carry if we have alcohol in our bloodstream.

Link

The link you provided above also states no carry wherre alcohol is sold/consumed.

Fern

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
-snip-
Allows carrying (some open, some concealed) while drinking or even sometimes drunk: North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Utah (up to legal intoxication limit), Washington, Minnesota, Oregon, and a bunch more besides that I'm too tired to look up right now.

Allows carrying into restaurants with alcohol or sometimes bars: 37 states (feel free to google it yourself, or use this site or take the word of a number of news stories that all agree on that point which you can also google)

FYI - Those of us in North Carolina can NOT carry into any public establishment that both sells and serves alcohol (bar/club/restaurant).

Those of us in NC are also forbidden to carry if we have alcohol in our bloodstream.

Link

The link you provided above also states no carry wherre alcohol is sold/consumed.

Fern

Last I checked (and I'm not a NC expert, so I could be wrong) open carry wasn't specifically prohibited with alcohol on board, merely concealed carry. If that's changed and you've got a link to the statute let me know so I can update the databases.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I've concluded that the basis underlying my choice of name for this forum has not changed. Besides, with a moonbeam and a lunarray I'd be hard pressed to ask Moonbeam to also change his name to Looneybeam... hehehehehe That would not be descriptive of him and what about all the moon rocks he created..??

You and Moonie some kind of couple?

You bet! You remember the Smothers Brothers.... He's Tommy!

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
-snip-
Allows carrying (some open, some concealed) while drinking or even sometimes drunk: North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Utah (up to legal intoxication limit), Washington, Minnesota, Oregon, and a bunch more besides that I'm too tired to look up right now.

Allows carrying into restaurants with alcohol or sometimes bars: 37 states (feel free to google it yourself, or use this site or take the word of a number of news stories that all agree on that point which you can also google)

FYI - Those of us in North Carolina can NOT carry into any public establishment that both sells and serves alcohol (bar/club/restaurant).

Those of us in NC are also forbidden to carry if we have alcohol in our bloodstream.

Link

The link you provided above also states no carry wherre alcohol is sold/consumed.

Fern

Last I checked (and I'm not a NC expert, so I could be wrong) open carry wasn't specifically prohibited with alcohol on board, merely concealed carry. If that's changed and you've got a link to the statute let me know so I can update the databases.

I'm just addressing CC and alcohol. Sorry, I thought you were talking CC & alcohol

Open carry? Seems a mixed bag. On the one hand, if open carry said no alcohol in your bloodstream they could probably bust hunters all the time for having had a beer etc.

OTOH, at least in my county it's up law enforcement. We have a "going armed to terror of the public' thingy they can arrest you for if they feel like it. If the bar didn't already have a "no Guns" sign they could use that against you if they wanted. If you looked pretty normal I doubt anyone would say anything; they'd probably think you were a cop. Both the police station and Sheriff's department are located downtown and their plainclothes officers walk around/go to coffee shops etc all the time with their guns showing - you can see their rigs under their sportcoats or guns on their hips etc.

A businessman next to me here downtown on Main Street wears his Glock (holstered) quite often and no one bats an eye. I guess it depends on the cops and the circumstances.

Fern

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
-snip-
Allows carrying (some open, some concealed) while drinking or even sometimes drunk: North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Utah (up to legal intoxication limit), Washington, Minnesota, Oregon, and a bunch more besides that I'm too tired to look up right now.

Allows carrying into restaurants with alcohol or sometimes bars: 37 states (feel free to google it yourself, or use this site or take the word of a number of news stories that all agree on that point which you can also google)

FYI - Those of us in North Carolina can NOT carry into any public establishment that both sells and serves alcohol (bar/club/restaurant).

Those of us in NC are also forbidden to carry if we have alcohol in our bloodstream.

Link

The link you provided above also states no carry wherre alcohol is sold/consumed.

Fern

Last I checked (and I'm not a NC expert, so I could be wrong) open carry wasn't specifically prohibited with alcohol on board, merely concealed carry. If that's changed and you've got a link to the statute let me know so I can update the databases.

I'm just addressing CC and alcohol. Sorry, I thought you were talking CC & alcohol

Open carry? Seems a mixed bag. On the one hand, if open carry said no alcohol in your bloodstream they could probably bust hunters all the time for having had a beer etc.

OTOH, at least in my county it's up law enforcement. We have a "going armed to terror of the public' thingy they can arrest you for if they feel like it. If the bar didn't already have a "no Guns" sign they could use that against you if they wanted. If you looked pretty normal I doubt anyone would say anything; they'd probably think you were a cop. Both the police station and Sheriff's department are located downtown and their plainclothes officers walk around/go to coffee shops etc all the time with their guns showing - you can see their rigs under their sportcoats or guns on their hips etc.

A businessman next to me here downtown on Main Street wears his Glock (holstered) quite often and no one bats an eye. I guess it depends on the cops and the circumstances.

Fern

Yeah, read about the 'going armed to terror' law...that's awesome. I combined open and concealed carry in that post just to point out how many states have allowed it for decades (or more likely forever) without serious incident.

 

[BoberFett]

Well, it's Friday now. Shouldn't the floors of taverns be running red with the blood of patrons by now? The only story about a shooting in Arizona we have here is one where the cops shot an innocent person.

I guess the lesson to be learned here is that citizens in bars should have guns and police shouldn't.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Well, it's Friday now. Shouldn't the floors of taverns be running red with the blood of patrons by now? The only story about a shooting in Arizona we have here is one where the cops shot an innocent person.

I guess the lesson to be learned here is that citizens in bars should have guns and police shouldn't.