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Arianna Huffington withdraws from CA governor's race
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azncoffeeboi
Senior member
I'd vote no on the recall. yeah.
I guess you could call it a Total Recall.
Badaboom. Tshhhh.
Mary Carey all the way 😀 😛
chowderhead
Platinum Member
I voted no on the recall.
I fear an Arnold administration run by Pete Wilson and his handlers. I cannot believe people are going for him. I really like when he cuts the interviewers off and reply "environment ... don't worry about it."
Arianna dropping out won't do much good. Davis needs a massive Democratic turnout which I don't know if he will get.
I fear an Arnold administration run by Pete Wilson and his handlers. I cannot believe people are going for him. I really like when he cuts the interviewers off and reply "environment ... don't worry about it."
Arianna dropping out won't do much good. Davis needs a massive Democratic turnout which I don't know if he will get.
RossMAN
Grand Nagus
Hossenfeffer
Diamond Member
If I was in California, I'd vote no on the recall just out of principle. Let em wait until the next election. 😉
I actually originally considered Huffington, but when she did nothing but mudslinging, and talk more about Bush than California, she quickly dropped off the radar. A hippie millionaire, how ironic.
Arnold is so scripted and has so many ties w/ big business, which I'm wary of. However, I still don't think anyone can be worse than Gray Davis. His signature is for sale essentially. It's not like Arnold can do much anyways (for the better or worse), as it's going to be very difficult to change anything that will pass the legislature.
I think you've been watching too many of those Dianne Feinstein commecials. Yes, the recall process is pretty freakin absurd, but no, Davis will not have 49% of the vote and the winner won't win w/ only 18% of the votes. Thats nothing more than gibberish by the pathetic Democrats of California (god, how the hell do you lose California to Republicans!!!) to try and scare the voters into voting No Recall. It simply won't happen, especially w/ the media. What are they calling it now? "A two man race."
Arnold is so scripted and has so many ties w/ big business, which I'm wary of. However, I still don't think anyone can be worse than Gray Davis. His signature is for sale essentially. It's not like Arnold can do much anyways (for the better or worse), as it's going to be very difficult to change anything that will pass the legislature.
I think you've been watching too many of those Dianne Feinstein commecials. Yes, the recall process is pretty freakin absurd, but no, Davis will not have 49% of the vote and the winner won't win w/ only 18% of the votes. Thats nothing more than gibberish by the pathetic Democrats of California (god, how the hell do you lose California to Republicans!!!) to try and scare the voters into voting No Recall. It simply won't happen, especially w/ the media. What are they calling it now? "A two man race."
It doesn't matter. I don't care who wins as I don't live in California. However, the recall process they are using is flawed. If 40% of the people vote no to recall, and a majority of the remainder votes for Arnold (say 20% of the total people who vote), then Arnold would win even though only 20% of the population supports him. That isn't the issue though...
The issue is that the 40% of the population that voted no to the recall wasn't given an opportunity to vote for a NEW govener. You see, a vote for no recall is not the same as a vote for Davis. The no recall votes effectively count as a "vote" for Davis, but they aren't really a vote for him. If they were a vote for Davis, then the 40% no recall vote would be enough of a majority to win the race. However, in the situation now, Davis HAS to effectively win 50% of the popular vote in order to win. Even if he effectively wins a majority, he will still lose. The problem with the no-recall voters is that you don't know who they support for govener. You've denied them the right to choose who will govern their state.
Remember, a vote of no-recall IS NOT a vote for Davis. A person could be opposed to the recall system, but would rather have someone else running the state, and voted no-recall as a matter of conscience. This probably isn't going to be the case, but you can't use the excuse that all the no-recallers are simply voting for Davis. If they were all voting for Davis, then he should be able to win with a simple majority, no matter if it less than 50% or not. The fact that he can't win with a majority less than 50% means that those that vote for him are disenfranchised because their votes didn't count. You can't have the situation work both ways. You can't say that a no-recall vote is a vote for Davis, and then require that he and he alone wins with a greater than 50% majority. It isn't fair to the candidate or the public. You must count the recall vote as a recall vote. If a majority of the public wants a recall, give it to them. This means two voting sessions. It is less efficient, but it is the only fair way to elect the next govener.
Remember how pissed people were over the Bush-Gore-Florida disaster? Well, this is a potentially bigger disaster involving a much larger margin of votes. It can be prevented. Equal voting rights for all the people of California and equal fairness to all the candidates can be guaranteed before the election, but most people don't seem to care.
Ryan
MustangSVT
Lifer
Zebo
Elite Member
Ryan that's Like saying you're against the consitituion. To bad so sad. Pass an amendment then but don't complain about it it's the supreme law of the land. Personally I love the recall/referendum process out in western states. It gives power to the people and the golden grail prop 13😉 which has given us the lowest property taxes in the county. I like Nevadas system better where theres a two year cooling off period though instead of Ca where it's instant law.
I don't understand how it is against the Constitution? I support the recall process, but I simply think they are conducting it in the wrong way.
EDIT: If someone votes no recall because they don't support the recall system (or maybe they don't think that the situation warrents a recall), then you'll never know who they supported for govener and they won't have the chance for their vote for govener to be counted. However, if you assume that a vote for no-recall is a vote for Davis, then you have to let him win with a majority less than 50%. You can't have it both ways. It is that simple.
Also, I made some serious edits to my post. You may want to re-read it for clarity. Or not, either way...
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