Arianna Huffington withdraws from CA governor's race

[oLLie]

Wow, Zebo, completely ok with the fact that what Huffington did was immoral? Just brushing it off and excusing it completely, even implying that someone would lack intelligence if they didn't do the same? Wow... I'd call that lack of principles, before I'd call it lack of anything else.

 

[hawkeye81x]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Remember, a vote of no-recall IS NOT a vote for Davis. A person could be opposed to the recall system, but would rather have someone else running the state, and voted no-recall as a matter of conscience. This probably isn't going to be the case, but you can't say for sure as people's motives and decisions are private.

Ryan that's Like saying you're against the consitituion. To bad so sad. Pass an amendment then but don't complain about it it's the supreme law of the land. Personally I love the recall/referendum process out in western states. It gives power to the people and the golden grail prop 13😉 which has given us the lowest property taxes in the county. I like Nevadas system better where theres a two year cooling off period though instead of Ca where it's instant law.

I can't believe this.
I'm sure your a law-obeying citizen who pays his taxes.
But that evil Prop 13 is a major reason why California can't fund its schools. And yes it is evil!
I sorry if this seizes some property from a few little old women but it's about time as Arnold says "Dey Pay Der Own Share"
Howard Jarvis and his punk-a$$ bunch can go to hell.
(I know I don't own property and won't feel the pinch yet but)

 

[Zebo]

Of course I'll read it🙂 always nice when someone replies.

Anyway I see what your saying about the double vote being needed and makes sense from a fair standpoint. however, the California constitution is written to allow the recall process to work exactly as it's going forth. One's only choice is to participate or not. This issue can be changed later by amending the constituion later which IS needed until such time it's the way it is like the electorial college at the federal level.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Of course I'll read it🙂 always nice when someone replies.

Anyway I see what your saying about the double vote being needed and makes sense from a fair standpoint. however, the California constitution is written to allow the recall process to work exactly as it's going forth. One's only choice is to participate or not. This issue can be changed later by amending the constituion later which IS needed until such time it's the way it is like the electorial college at the federal level.

I see your point, too. If that is the way the state Constitution is written, then do the election by the books and change the Constitution later. Just as long as people understand that the process is flawed.

Personally I'm glad I'm not involved in this debacle.

I do need to get better at editing my posts though...

R

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: oLLie
Wow, Zebo, completely ok with the fact that what Huffington did was immoral? Just brushing it off and excusing it completely, even implying that someone would lack intelligence if they didn't do the same? Wow... I'd call that lack of principles, before I'd call it lack of anything else.

Immoral? I did'nt see anything immoral there maybe I'm missing it.

In fact with her palty ~30K in AGI she should'nt be paying any taxes. Heck she gave a lot more as a percentage of her Gross income to charity than Arnold did. Almost 70% vs less than10%. Who's more immoral?

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: hawkeye81x

Originally posted by: Zebo

Remember, a vote of no-recall IS NOT a vote for Davis. A person could be opposed to the recall system, but would rather have someone else running the state, and voted no-recall as a matter of conscience. This probably isn't going to be the case, but you can't say for sure as people's motives and decisions are private.

Ryan that's Like saying you're against the consitituion. To bad so sad. Pass an amendment then but don't complain about it it's the supreme law of the land. Personally I love the recall/referendum process out in western states. It gives power to the people and the golden grail prop 13😉 which has given us the lowest property taxes in the county. I like Nevadas system better where theres a two year cooling off period though instead of Ca where it's instant law.

I can't believe this.
I'm sure your a law-obeying citizen who pays his taxes.
But that evil Prop 13 is a major reason why California can't fund its schools. And yes it is evil!
I sorry if this seizes some property from a few little old women but it's about time as Arnold says "Dey Pay Der Own Share"
Howard Jarvis and his punk-a$$ bunch can go to hell.
(I know I don't own property and won't feel the pinch yet but)

I don't blame Zebo for being a fan of no property tax. I think property taxes are inherently flawed. If the government can take something you own if you don't pay your taxes, then you never really owned it.

R

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: hawkeye81x

Originally posted by: Zebo

Remember, a vote of no-recall IS NOT a vote for Davis. A person could be opposed to the recall system, but would rather have someone else running the state, and voted no-recall as a matter of conscience. This probably isn't going to be the case, but you can't say for sure as people's motives and decisions are private.

Ryan that's Like saying you're against the consitituion. To bad so sad. Pass an amendment then but don't complain about it it's the supreme law of the land. Personally I love the recall/referendum process out in western states. It gives power to the people and the golden grail prop 13😉 which has given us the lowest property taxes in the county. I like Nevadas system better where theres a two year cooling off period though instead of Ca where it's instant law.

I can't believe this.
I'm sure your a law-obeying citizen who pays his taxes.
But that evil Prop 13 is a major reason why California can't fund its schools. And yes it is evil!
I sorry if this seizes some property from a few little old women but it's about time as Arnold says "Dey Pay Der Own Share"
Howard Jarvis and his punk-a$$ bunch can go to hell.
(I know I don't own property and won't feel the pinch yet but)

Man you have no idea what you're talking about. Califonias coffers Grew by over 150% from 1976 (when prop 13 was passed) until present day.

"In the 10 years after the passage of Proposition 13, incomes in California grew 50 percent faster than in the nation as a whole; jobs grew at twice the national pace. "

California's budget climbed from $55 billion in 1980 to $97 billion in 1992 -- a 75 percent increase above inflation! Only in government would a 75 percent real spending hike be considered inadequate and neglectful. What about revenues? In the 1980s state tax revenues as a share of Californian's incomes actually rose -- from 11 to 12 percent.

They found other ways to suck us dry but at least grandma was'nt getting tossed out of her home on fixed income.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/7-30-98.html

 

[Zebo]

dp

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: rgwalt
The issue is that the 40% of the population that voted no to the recall wasn't given an opportunity to vote for a NEW govener. You see, a vote for no recall is not the same as a vote for Davis. The no recall votes effectively count as a "vote" for Davis, but they aren't really a vote for him. If they were a vote for Davis, then the 40% no recall vote would be enough of a majority to win the race. However, in the situation now, Davis HAS to effectively win 50% of the popular vote in order to win. Even if he effectively wins a majority, he will still lose. The problem with the no-recall voters is that you don't know who they support for govener. You've denied them the right to choose who will govern their state.

Um, excuse me if I'm misunderstanding here, but you can vote NO on the recall and still vote for one of the other candidates. In fact, that has been Bustamonte's core campaign: "Vote NO one the recall, and Bustamonte as a replacement."

So to say those who vote no do not get to vote for a new governor is in error.

 

[conjur]

Good!

Can't stand that b!tch!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

The issue is that the 40% of the population that voted no to the recall wasn't given an opportunity to vote for a NEW govener. You see, a vote for no recall is not the same as a vote for Davis. The no recall votes effectively count as a "vote" for Davis, but they aren't really a vote for him. If they were a vote for Davis, then the 40% no recall vote would be enough of a majority to win the race. However, in the situation now, Davis HAS to effectively win 50% of the popular vote in order to win. Even if he effectively wins a majority, he will still lose. The problem with the no-recall voters is that you don't know who they support for govener. You've denied them the right to choose who will govern their state.

This is not true. You can vote no on the recall and vote for a replacement for Davis.

I am voting yes on the recall. I was one of the people who signed the recall petition and I want Davis out! I didn't vote for him either time he ran and he is destroying this state. He lied about the state of the budget during his last campaign, he completely bungled the energy crisis 3 years ago and he has proven time after time that he is for sale to the highest bidder. Bustamante is just a fatter version of Gray.

Huffington is a nut job. Her solutions to the states economic problems would only make things worse. In reality her being in the race or not being in the race will not affect the outcome as she only commanded a margin of error number of votes.

 

[Walleye]

what a sore loser.


I'll be voting for the Govenator 😀

 

[slycat]

She's really pretty hot...i'd like to..nm.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: azncoffeeboi
I'd vote no on the recall. yeah.

 

[alphatarget1]

people who are saying california is not getting enough tax revenue to run schools because of prop 13 are on crack.

with so many new houses being sold and bought these days, i doubt county governments are losing money.

bottom line: school districts needs to be reformed. my high school got 500k for computers in 2000 and after they networked the campus and bought computers they found out that the electrical system is too old and unable to handle all the computers. money WASTED anyone?

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: rgwalt
The issue is that the 40% of the population that voted no to the recall wasn't given an opportunity to vote for a NEW govener. You see, a vote for no recall is not the same as a vote for Davis. The no recall votes effectively count as a "vote" for Davis, but they aren't really a vote for him. If they were a vote for Davis, then the 40% no recall vote would be enough of a majority to win the race. However, in the situation now, Davis HAS to effectively win 50% of the popular vote in order to win. Even if he effectively wins a majority, he will still lose. The problem with the no-recall voters is that you don't know who they support for govener. You've denied them the right to choose who will govern their state.

Um, excuse me if I'm misunderstanding here, but you can vote NO on the recall and still vote for one of the other candidates. In fact, that has been Bustamonte's core campaign: "Vote NO one the recall, and Bustamonte as a replacement."

So to say those who vote no do not get to vote for a new governor is in error.

Ah, I stand corrected. I wasn't fully aware of how the system worked.

However, you have to agree that there is a flaw in the system if you could potentially have a situation where 49% of the population supported Davis, 18% supported Arnold, and Davis would lose.

R

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Cyberian
Isn't this a bit hypocritical? -

With her campaign support mired in the low single digits, independent candidate Arianna Huffington announced Tuesday evening that she is pulling out of the California gubernatorial recall race and will work to defeat it.

Apparently you don't know Huffington very well

When the going gets tough she quits and if she can't have it no one will. If there was ever a woman without any redeeming qualities it would be her.

 

[oLLie]

It doesn't matter. I don't care who wins as I don't live in California. However, the recall process they are using is flawed. If 40% of the people vote no to recall, and a majority of the remainder votes for Arnold (say 20% of the total people who vote), then Arnold would win even though only 20% of the population supports him. That isn't the issue though...

However, you have to agree that there is a flaw in the system if you could potentially have a situation where 49% of the population supported Davis, 18% supported Arnold, and Davis would lose.

I look at it slightly differently. If 40% (or 49%) of the people vote No on the recall, then 60% (or 51%) vote yes. Those 60% (or 51%) are, in effect by saying Yes on the recall, that they want Davis recalled and replaced (even if their candidate does not have the plurality of the replacement candidiates). They may not actually believe/say that, but in effect that is what a Yes vote on the recall means. So even if only 20% of the people vote for Arnold, the majority of the voters have agreed that Davis needs to be replaced no matter what. I think that all the people who do NOT feel that Davis needs to be replaced no matter what, are the people who are voting No on the recall, but Yes on one of the candidates.

 

[Red Dawn]

Anyone remember when her Husband ran against Fienstien for Senate on the Republican Ticket and when he lost he came out of the Closet? Typical for CA Republicans and Typical for Money Grubbing Opportunistic Ho's like Huffington.

 

[PatboyX]

arnold = celebrity = winner.