ARG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M GOING INSANE!@#%!@ SPDIF output not working properly on PowerDVD 2.55!

Madcowz

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Okay, so I lied... I'm not going crazy, but I almost on the verge of it! Read on!:

I have my speaker system hooked up via the SPDIF output on my Live 5.1. The sound in regular windows environment works fine, but if I try playing a DVD choosing SPDIF Dolby surround output in the PowerDVD config than the sound studders when playing any DVD. It is really annoying and definitely not normal. If I choose Direct sound than it works fine but the effect is not quite as good since I'm not getting true dolby digital output. I know my system is not too slow b/c it's just the sound that studders and not the video... besides I'm running on a 16X DVD ROM, 1050MHz P3, 256 ram. PowerDVD seemingly worked fine w/ SPDIF on my old Cambridge DTT2500, but now it's giving me this crap! It was even working fine when I was testing it yesterday feeding it to the receiver w/ 4 speakers connected, but than when I hooked up the center and opened up powerdvd, that's when the studdering problem began. The odd thing though, is that everything seems fine when I'm playing music files even w/ the center speaker which does not appear to have any
problems.

I reinstall PowerDVD and get nothing.

So I decide to fool around with the live!ware soundcard software stuff for a while and then all of a sudden powerdvd decides to work, Yay!!!... of course I close it, open it up again and I'm getting that studder crap back! ARGH, what GIVES!#@!%@!

Then I decide to try out the digital miniplug output. So I take a miniplug to rca converter, plug it in to the soundcard and to the receiver and fire up PowerDVD... Still the SAME SH*T!!!

The only other thing I could think of is that perhaps my previous install of PowerDVD 3.0 perhaps corrupted it. When I installed 3.0 I would get an error when trying to play a DVD so I unistalled it and installed 2.55 back on. The thing is that I had my DTT2500 set before I ever installed 3.0, and that is when everything worked perfectly fine. I don't have that set anymore to test now, but I do suspect 3.0 did something and left behind some problems. I remember a while back when I had the cinemaster player which had problems on my computer, it left behind problems even after unistalling it and all the other software players were affected. It was a totally different problem (dvd's would not play at all), but perhaps could be somehow related. So now I have NO idea what to do as this all seems very complicated. I've spent the entire past 2 days on this, and as you would imagine I am very fustrated!!! So I am begging you, PLEASE HELP!!! ANY suggestions/advice would be appreciated, I just want to get this fixed!

* If you know how I can do a CLEAN unistall of powerdvd that might be useless... and I mean EVERY trace of it gone, and every file it may have edited put back to normal and so forth

** Also I have noticed that every time the screen changes while playing a DVD, my speakers crack. For example when you first play the dvd, or when you select something from the main menu or choose a new scene to go to... but it can't be powerdvd b/c I tried playing dolby digital encoding music files and I get that same loud crackle in my speakers.... very odd indeed; can anyone explain this?
 

Auric

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I don't think PowerDVD spreads files around too much. Try uninstalling 255 again and hunting down all Cyberlink / PowerDVD settings and any other traces of DVD stuff in the registry and killing them off. I had the same problem with 300 where it gave the error. It was probably a built in time limit for the beta. Setting the clock back did not help. One of the changes to 300 as you prolly know was in the audio settings so I would guess that is what is messin' with yer head. Also, turn off all effects and whatnot in the Live! Mixer and just enable digital output. Good luck.
 

superbaby

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I have the same problem except I don't get any sound at all when I enable SPDIF, digital PCM works but no AC3 :(

I'm running WinME, SB Live! Platinum 5.1, Midiland S4 8200's.

Sigh... please help...
 

Shanteli

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What is your OS? Cuz it was my understanding that W2K and WinMe did not support any sort of AC3 sound. (The digital signal will still work, like playing MP3's, but the actual AC3 signal will not work)

When I upgraded to W2K from Win98SE PowerDVD 2.55 gave no SPDIF option in the configuration. I checked and rechecked every type of setting for sound but no beans. I had to go back to Win98SE cuz of it
 

Madcowz

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WinMe, Soundblaster Platinum 5.1

And it MUST be powerDVD and not winme b/c I played the ac3 demo files from the creative install cd w/ playcenter 2.0 perfectly. Not only that I get the dolby digital recognition light on the receiver when these files are playing. And additionally, I was getting the Dolby digital signal perfectly on my DTT2500 set on winme, although I am not 100% sure it was through the SPDIF b/c I think I had the Digital DIN connected at the same time.
 

superbaby

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I was under the impression that only Win2k didn't support SPDIF passthrough, not WinME?

Maybe I'll go home and install Win98SE instead...
 

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I pity you poor people without standalone DVD players. ;) It's a good investment and you don't have to deal with all these "SPDIF doesn't work in Win2K" shenanigans.
 

Madcowz

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Also, while checking the properties in the powerdvd config, I came across some questionable stuff:
Display Information :
Video Mode : Bob
Display Mode : DirectDraw
FourCC Code : YUY2
Surface Type : Overlay

Is force Bob better than force Weave? Are these the correct settings considering I'm running a top of the line 65MB DDR Radeon?

Video Attribute :
Video compression mode : MPEG-2
TV system : 525/60 (NTSC)
Display Mode : Only Pan-scan
Source picture resolution : 720x480 (525/60)
Bit Rate : 7.50Mbps

I have a 21" Trinitron that's supposed to be pretty good... are these the correct settings?

Audio Attribute :
Audio Coding mode : Dolby AC-3
Sampling Rate : 48kHz
Audio application mode : Not specified
Number of Audio channels : 2
Bit Rate : 192.00 Kbps
Number of Audio streams : 3

Only 2 Audio Channels?? Shouldn't this be 5 or 5.1?


Hardware Information :
IA MMX Technology : In Use
IA Streaming SIMD Extensions : In Use
Video Accelerator : Not Detected
Multispeakers Audio Device : Creative SBLive! (not in use)
S/PDIF Output Device : Creative SBLive! (in use)

How come it says the SBLive! is not in use? And doesn't the Rage Theater DVD decoder/accelerator on my Radeon count as a video accelerator?
 

superbaby

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".Number of Audio channels : 2
This looks iffy, you should check up on that, perhaps that is why you are only getting PCM.

The Multispeakers device should be disabled if you aren't connecting your speakers individually (i.e. front, rear, center) to the sound card, but are using coaxial/optical to output SPDIF.

Your Radeon has DVD acceleration features that should be enabled in the Video tab, at least a checkbox should exist that says something like "Hardware Acceleration
 

Comp10

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This isn't really a solution, but I noticed you are using the Radeon, so why don't you just use the ATI DVD player suplied with it? PowerDVD does not support the Radeons iDCT hardware assist, so basicly your Radeon is doing you no good while using PowerDVD. To get Dobly Digital from the ATI player you have to download a program called DVD Genie and install the program, open it, select the Cinemaster tab, hit the more options button, check the enable SPDIF box, and select the SBlive as your soundcard (because you have the 5.1 version its possible it won't work, but only one way to find out ;)). Not only could this solve your sound problem by using the ATI player, but it should also give you better playback. However, make sure you completely uninstall PowerDVD, because it cannot exist with the ATI player at the same time.
 

Madcowz

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grr... uninstalled powerdvd, installed ATI DVD, d/led and installed DVD genie, couldn't find any SPDIF enabler on the ATI player in DVD Genie, fired up ATI DVD Player... no problems, but not digital passthrough on the SPDIF so I'm not getting dolby digital. ARGHHHHHHh
 

Comp10

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<< couldn't find any SPDIF enabler on the ATI player in DVD Genie >>



You need to look under the Cinemaster tab, not the ATI tab, because the new ATI player is based on Cinemaster 2000. Just need to check the Enable SP/DIF box and select SBlive under the AC3 SP/DIF output mode(both of which show up after you hit the more options button). Then of course hit the apply button, and the ATI player should then output Dolby Digital.

 

Madcowz

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<< You need to look under the Cinemaster tab, not the ATI tab, because the new ATI player is based on Cinemaster 2000. Just need to check the Enable SP/DIF box and select SBlive under the AC3 SP/DIF output mode(both of which show up after you hit the more options button). Then of course hit the apply button, and the ATI player should then output Dolby Digital. >>

Yea I did that already and I still get nothing. In the cinemaster options, Enable SP/DIF is checked, AC3 SD/DIF Out Mode has SB Live! selected, Downmix Audio to Dolby Prologic, and the rest is default... I don't get any dolby recognization light on my receiver and it sure does not sound like dolby digital so I doubt it's dolby digital
 

Auric

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You never said you were using a Radeon. Comp10 is right, you should be using the Cinemaster decoder and DVD Genie.

When the source was identified as 2 channel was it a 6 channel disc? Why are you downmixing to ProLogic? ProLogic is analog. Is a PL decoder included in the DTT2500? Most digital decoders do include PL but maybe that one does not. Anyway, I don't know if the &quot;downmixed to PL&quot; can be passed via the digital output. If the source is PL, fine but why would you want to otherwise? In the mixer you must select Digital Output Only from the Advanced Controls (on the Live! Mixer it is above the Volume).
 

Madcowz

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Okay, I got WinDVD 2000 and the SPDIF is working fine now... but guess what!!! I'M STILL GETTING 2 channels ONLY in dolby digital! WTF is with this?:
WinDVD

Current Audio Track:
Dolby Digital

Atrributes:
16Bit/48K/2channels

GEEZ, IT NEVER ENDS! You get one thing fixed and another problem just creeps up! So anyways, I would like to reiterate AGAIN that I DO have &quot;digital ouput only&quot; selected and I've ALWAYS have. In live!ware I have it set as 5.1 speakers. When I test them in the Surround Mixer I only hear the left and right speaker being called for and the center and rears aren't accounted for... what's up with this? Whenever I test them in WinDVD I get the same crap! I tried setting them as Live!Surround speakers but you can't test them in the surround mixer, so I tried it in WinDVD and still missing channels! ARGH!!!!!!!
 

superbaby

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I FIXED MY PROBLEM!!! (at least)

In Audio HQ -> Speakers -> Advanced -> Disable AC3 decoding!!!

THIS WORKED FOR ME AND NOW I HAVE AC3 SOUND!!!!!!!!

As for your 2 channel issue, I checked my config info in PowerDVD and also noticed 2 sound streams only. Then I popped in a concert DVD and I noticed it went to 6. I tried another 2 other DVDs and one had 2 while the other one had 6. So I guess it depends on the DVD... The Matrix would be a good bet to get 6 channels of sound.

CREATIVE SUCKS!!!! WHY DON'T THEY DOCUMENT THEIR FEATURES?!!?!?!?
 

Madcowz

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I used the Matrix, and The Patriot

with 2 channels I hear barely anything at all in the rear speakers. Only unless I put my ears up to them I can hear perhaps something going on. I think I might have even heard a bullet whiz through one of the rears before but I don't think so.
 

Auric

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You seem to be confusing simulated surround with source encoded surround. The simulated stuff in the Live! Mixer should not come into play when Digital Output Only is in effect. You just want to pass the raw signal via the digital output to the external decoder. I had passed over that detail about having the the Live! 5.1. So I see why you had to disable the AC3 decoding. That is adding to the confusion on top of the simulated surround. Anyway, it seems you are on the verge of figuring this out. Check the DVD box or menus for audio specs. The Matrix is Dolby Digital 5.1.
 

superbaby

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Hi Madcowz,

Yeah although now that I have AC3 audio with AC3 Pro Logic enabled, there is a definite difference in the way the sound... sounds :) Stuff doesn't exactly &quot;whizz&quot; by but you get the idea that something is going past your ear. When I was testing Wing Commander the ships would kind of buzz across the rear speakers, which was really nifty but it wasn't &quot;noticeable&quot;.

When you posted your PowerDVD info I get the exact same information displayed. However I actually get sound now when the input is AC3 so I'm quite happy :)

But I am concerned about how many channels should be present. Maybe there are more settings that we have yet to figure out. Perhaps if someone else posted their PowerDVD info?

 

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i got a question, I have a hard ware dvd card from creative, and power dvd wont out put thru it to the tv, can I make it? I also use creative's dvd player when I want to use the TV, but the on monitor play back is really like jumpy, text in the dvd window appears like the frame is shifting. Are their any better hardware DVD decoders/players available for free out there?
 

superbaby

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I'm not sure I understand your problem but if you are looking for a good DVD hardware decoder for your computer, Sigma Design's Hollywood Plus DVD decoder is probably the best out there. It costs around $70.

I think their website is:

http://www.sigmadesigns.com