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how do these guys pay rent/food if they don't work?
Interesting article. BTW, the study was focused on unskilled workers who were without a coilege degree. I know a few men in their early 20s who play CS and WoW Classic for 12 plus hours a day. Both of these men have dropped out of highschool and are pumping gas in NJ. Unskilled labor that pays about $10 an hour. What really caught my attention is this part of the article.
But like anything it comes at a cost. Leisure is great, but too much of it can be an issue. When you're in your 20s, this is the time that you should be developing your skillset. If you neglect to do this, your future is going to be that much difficult. Especially with the threat of automation. And, of course these men are happy. They have zero stress in their lives which is filled with gaming, reading books and takling vacations. Great if you have the funds, but not so great if you need to work.
Thoughts? Do you know anyone who is staying at home to play video games?
how do these guys pay rent/food if they don't work?
do they live in their parents basement forever???
As I said in the school bus stop thread - Kids these days don't even know how to cook outside of ramen noodles and hot pockets. As long as we keep supporting their life style the more it will grow.
My friend's kid is one of those people. Zero motivation to work. Would spend all waking hours playing a MMO if possible. Of course they are enabling it to an extent. He's able to live at home so he has a comfortable place to live and food to eat. He just needs to be allowed to fail. No work= no living at home. Rent and groceries need to be contributed towards in a meaningful way. There needs to be a timeline towards moving out. If not they can discover what its like to try living on minimum wage.
Absentee parents both working jobs were never going to pass on life skills to their kids. So now the new adults have no skills, with limited ambitions and motivations. The poison of trickle down has worked wonders hollowing out the American workforce and delivering them unto despair.
It's more than 'both working jobs' though. Good parenting takes effort and that is something many parents lack regardless of how much time they spend at work
It may be the best decision for them in terms of optimizing average happiness over their lifetime. They are enjoying their 20s to the max, maybe that will lead to miserable 30s and 40s, but there is no guarantee that if they were working some entry level jobs now they wouldn't have miserable 30s and 40s anyways. So on average, who is to say the best course of action for them is not to play video games all day if that's what brings them maximum enjoyment now?
My fear for the Youtubers who rely 100% on that income is that their whole income scheme could end at the drop of a hat. Youtube's algorithm could ban their account for some stupid reason, or some assholes could report 3 of their videos for copyright etc... it's a very fragile thing that can stop outputting fast. There is not really any staff behind Youtube it's all automated and sometimes it fails hard and it's very hard to get that fixed.
Ehhh, the problem is in your 20s is your prime to shine. It's the best time in your life to advance - because once you get into 30s it's all downhill from there.
In your 30s your more likely to....
- Be tired earlier and more often
- Be more lazy a lot of times - and also just be more "injured"
- Be less likely to go to school or try to get into a new field
- More likely to have a kid to look after (taking more of your time)
- More likely to have a wife (taking more of your time)
So getting back up and advancing is
I also agree, that in your younger (more particularly teenage years) is your prime time to do stuff like play videogames.... As much as I binge played World of Warcraft and countless other games... I can still say I miss it. The responsibilities I have now just take all my time though. When you're young and in school your responsibilities a lot of times are just attend school and don't fail. Dinner will be served for you, etc...
I agree big time. I was in it for a couple of years. it was not a great time. No more!It's an addiction. Developers know that. Some people can't hold a job because they're an alcoholic, others cant hold a job because they are addicted to video games.
Is this true? That's an anti-trust lawsuit waiting to happen. I hope that it does!They already do this with streaming, if you post to Youtube you're not allowed to use Twitch or other platforms.
Is this true? That's an anti-trust lawsuit waiting to happen. I hope that it does!
Imagine if supermarkets started doing that, putting on the bottom of receipts, "If you shop here, you agree not to shop at any other grocery store for 5 days."
Can you imagine, that in the EULA for your web browser of choice, there was a similar statement, that "Upon installing this browser, all other web browsers on your PC will be un-installed"... and then the installer proceeded to do that? I wonder if they could do that, if they could weasel-word installing a browser, as a "team effort"/"partnership", or a "Software Franchisee agreement".
Example: Patreon.That's the part that sucks, they can put whatever the hell they want in the EULA and you "agree" to it by installing, if you don't agree then you are expected to just not use the product. I think it's BS myself, but most people just accept it. How often do you hear people even defend EULAs that way. "well if you don't like it don't use it". I think it's ridiculous really. I just want to use the product (in some cases one I even pay for) I don't want all the strings attached. Like all the products you buy that require you to tie it to the cloud, I should not have to agree to any of that, I paid money for the product that advertises it does something, I should be able to get that functionality without having to agree to anything more.
Here's one example of Youtube not allowing to stream on Twitch:
Basically, they just roll it as "spam" since you're using their platform to drive people away from their site. Which has me wondering, lot of Youtubers will post their other social media in their videos or even their own personal sites. Technically if Youtube really wanted to they could disallow that too.
Example: Patreon.
Sounds like YouTube is opposed to users using their YT channels to advertise their twitch streams. I don't think that's the same thing as prohibiting users from streaming on twitch and also posting videos to YouTube. After all, these forums don't allow you to use them to advertise your own YouTube channel; that doesn't mean that "Anandtech Forums disallows posting here and posting YouTube videos."
I played video games way more than I care to admit when I was 18-22, but I still maintained employment and went to college. Addiction is real, it's a mental ailment, and some people are more prone than others to throw it all away for ___________.
