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Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: LoKe
Atheist is pretty ignorant and would deem you close-minded. If you can't disprove it, how can you take a side that opposes it?

Agnostic now and probably forever.
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By that logic, religion is ignorant and close-minded too.
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That it is.
 
Yes, the poll is flawed. agnosticism and the other are majorly flawed.
Because, agnosticism is having no belief or view either way, there might be a god, there might not, but i can't ever know.
The other says, I believe in God, however i don't have proof, because if i did, then i wouldn't be believing it, it wouldn't require faith. If you can prove something, how hard is it to believe in?

That said, nothing can ever be proven......EVER.
I can refute any argument against that....so Bring it On.
 
Originally posted by: jndietz
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
This would be an extremely weak atheistic position.

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
I am clearly an atheist.

I do not believe in the existence of any gods.
However, I also meet this definition "1) One who believes that it is impossible to prove whether there is a God."
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No, just a relatively logical one.
Just because you believe something doesn't exist doesn't mean you can prove it doesn't exist.

Do you think a really strongly believing Christian who doesn't believe you can prove God exists is a weakly believing Christian? Belief in God is based on faith, you cannot show God, you cannot prove if he is there, but you can still have a strong belief in him.
Same as you can have a strong belief that God does not exist, but you are not able to prove God does not exist, unless you know something....?
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A true Atheist denies the existence of a god. An Agnostic beleives that it is impossible to know if one exists or not. This is the belief that Lonyo expressed.
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a·the·ist Audio pronunciation of "atheist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-st)
n.

One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
Correct.

BUT: I am an atheist.
I think it's not possible to prove that something that does not exist does not exist, in the sense that God, if he existed, would exist.
I do not believe it is impossible to know if he exists or not, but I believe it is impossible to PROVE he does not exist. Same as you cannot PROVE there is a God, if belief (in Christian terms) is based on faith.

It is not possible to prove there IS a God because of the way belief works, and it is (currently at least) not possible to disprove god, especially if you are trying to disprove something that there is no evidence for, because there is also no evidence against, since it is not something based in our world.
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this is actually a very interesting concept...
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If I am to understand this correctly, you believe that it is possible to know with certainty something that is impossible to prove true or false? That is nonsensical or you are just using a very weak idea of knowledge.

Also, just because dictionary.com says something does not make it true. Here is a much clearer definition

Atheism - the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.

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Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: LoKe
Atheist is pretty ignorant and would deem you close-minded. If you can't disprove it, how can you take a side that opposes it?

Agnostic now and probably forever.
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By that logic, religion is ignorant and close-minded too.
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That it is.
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Ok, as long as your logic isn't biased, you're entitled to that opinion. I'd have to ask though, if you dismiss the Flying Sphaghetti Monster, or do you feel that it's ignorant to decide one way or the other about His existence since we can't disprove it?
 
I like to call myself an Agnostic Athiest, or an Athiestic Agnostic, depending on my mood.

while being aware that we don't know whether there is a god, I also think its more likely that there isn't anything out there.
 
i would say im more of a diest (if thats what they're called)

i believe in a higher power but i don't faction myself off into any one religion
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
i doubt there is a god, but i have no proof, nor do his believers.
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That's why it's called faith. The third option sorta misses the point.

Also, isn't being agnostic more like you don't know whether God exists or not?
 
Originally posted by: Martin
I like to call myself an Agnostic Athiest, or an Athiestic Agnostic, depending on my mood.

while being aware that we don't know whether there is a god, I also think its more likely that there isn't anything out there.
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QFT
 
Agnostic, but I believe mankind may find evidence in the future that supports or denies the existence of god. For example, if physicists can create a grand unified theory that explains all forces in the universe, I believe that is evidence that there is not a god, because it shows mankind can understand the fundamental nature of our universe.

If physicists cannot create a grand unified theory, I think that is evidence (not proof!) that there is a higher power.
 
Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
Originally posted by: jndietz

this is actually a very interesting concept...
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If I am to understand this correctly, you believe that it is possible to know with certainty something that is impossible to prove true or false? That is nonsensical or you are just using a very weak idea of knowledge.

Also, just because dictionary.com says something does not make it true. Here is a much clearer definition

Atheism - the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.

Edited with a better definition
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Know:
To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
3: be aware of the truth of something; have a belief or faith in something; regard as true beyond any doubt

Christians believe that God is real, they regard his existance as true beyond doubt.
Maybe the word no in and of itself was a poor choice, but the sentiment expressed; firm, unwavering belief, was intended and is true.
You can have a perception of something being true (god existing or not existing), such that you know it in your mind, but you are unable to prove it as true or not true.
Religion is having a belief or faith in something, ergo religious people who are members of religions with gods believe in god(s), and "know" he/they exists.

If you can find me conclusive proof for or against god(s) existing that is infallible, and can show me that Christians do not "know" God exist (or members of any other religions and their god(s)), I will concede my point.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: judasmachine
i doubt there is a god, but i have no proof, nor do his believers.
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That's why it's called faith. The third option sorta misses the point.

Also, isn't being agnostic more like you don't know whether God exists or not?
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Faith is an intellectual forfeit.
 
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
Originally posted by: jndietz

this is actually a very interesting concept...
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If I am to understand this correctly, you believe that it is possible to know with certainty something that is impossible to prove true or false? That is nonsensical or you are just using a very weak idea of knowledge.

Also, just because dictionary.com says something does not make it true. Here is a much clearer definition

Atheism - the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.

Edited with a better definition
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Know:
To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
3: be aware of the truth of something; have a belief or faith in something; regard as true beyond any doubt

Christians believe that God is real, they regard his existance as true beyond doubt.
Maybe the word no in and of itself was a poor choice, but the sentiment expressed; firm, unwavering belief, was intended and is true.
You can have a perception of something being true (god existing or not existing), such that you know it in your mind, but you are unable to prove it as true or not true.
Religion is having a belief or faith in something, ergo religious people who are members of religions with gods believe in god(s), and "know" he/they exists.

If you can find me conclusive proof for or against god(s) existing that is infallible, and can show me that Christians do not "know" God exist (or members of any other religions and their god(s)), I will concede my point.
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It does seem to me that you are missusing the word "know". Yes it might be defined in places or have come to be synonmous with "believe" but that seems like a very weak way to use "know". It seems like this is a semantic argument.

Of course people can claim to know something is true without proof (people can do lots of illogical things). They do it all the time. I can offer some fairly strong proof that the Judeo-Christian god cannot be/is not an all loving, all powerful god (problems of evil and free will) but there is no point as logic and religion don't/can't mix.
 
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: LoKe
Atheist is pretty ignorant and would deem you close-minded. If you can't disprove it, how can you take a side that opposes it?

Agnostic now and probably forever.
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By that logic, religion is ignorant and close-minded too.
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That it is.
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Ok, as long as your logic isn't biased, you're entitled to that opinion. I'd have to ask though, if you dismiss the Flying Sphaghetti Monster, or do you feel that it's ignorant to decide one way or the other about His existence since we can't disprove it?
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We can disprove it because Spaghetti is man-made and is not alive. Some things are scientifically (dis)provable.
 
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: RBachman
Originally posted by: LoKe
Atheist is pretty ignorant and would deem you close-minded. If you can't disprove it, how can you take a side that opposes it?

Agnostic now and probably forever.
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By that logic, religion is ignorant and close-minded too.
Click to expand...

That it is.
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Ok, as long as your logic isn't biased, you're entitled to that opinion. I'd have to ask though, if you dismiss the Flying Sphaghetti Monster, or do you feel that it's ignorant to decide one way or the other about His existence since we can't disprove it?
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We can disprove it because Spaghetti is man-made and is not alive. Some things are scientifically (dis)provable.
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Just because it's man-made doesn't mean a deity couldn't be made of it. Perhaps it's only outerwear; perhaps He was so enamored with man's pastariffic invention that He clad Himself in it, who are you do know? Bad answer.
 
Originally posted by: RBachman
Just because it's man-made doesn't mean a deity couldn't be made of it. Perhaps it's only outerwear; perhaps He was so enamored with man's pastariffic invention that He clad Himself in it, who are you do know? Bad answer.
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May you all be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
 
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