judasmachine
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No that claim belongs to the Jewish people. They are either religious, or not, but they are still Jewish.
No that claim belongs to the Jewish people. They are either religious, or not, but they are still Jewish.
I am technically an Agnostic (I can't prove there is not a god) but usually call myself an Atheist because those who call themselves Agnostics tend to be wishy-washy (or also tend to be those who say they don't belive in religion but believe in a "higher power").
Someone who claims that there is no god, without proof, is being just as illogical as someone who claims that there is a god, without proof.
Edit:I must also qualify that even though I grant the possibility that a god or higher power could exist, that possibility seems to me to be extremely unlikely. In the unlikely event that one does exist, I would also say that it is unlikely that it would resemble the god of any religion.
Someone who claims that there is no god, without proof, is being just as illogical as someone who claims that there is a god, without proof.
Edit:I must also qualify that even though I grant the possibility that a god or higher power could exist, that possibility seems to me to be extremely unlikely. In the unlikely event that one does exist, I would also say that it is unlikely that it would resemble the god of any religion.
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you know i don't really think so, in my opinion. if you are part of a religion, then you believe that the higher power is there and you must also believe that the proof of this higher power is there.
otherwise, then i don't think you can do that.
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why do you believe that you can be agnostic and still say you are catholic? I am just wondering, not trying to be an ass or anything
:beer:I don't know how you could. I know some Jews that have tried to claim that they were Jewish (in the religious sense, not the cultural one) and atheistic at the same time. I told them they were full of sh!t.
Originally posted by: jndietz
why do you believe that you can be agnostic and still say you are catholic? I am just wondering, not trying to be an ass or anything
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Originally posted by: jndietz
definately! but believe what you want to
Sometimes I also think, IF I ever get married and i have to do it under the catholic church, if i have to continue to lie or play along with all the pre-marriage stuff...
No, just a relatively logical one.
Just because you believe something doesn't exist doesn't mean you can prove it doesn't exist.
Do you think a really strongly believing Christian who doesn't believe you can prove God exists is a weakly believing Christian? Belief in God is based on faith, you cannot show God, you cannot prove if he is there, but you can still have a strong belief in him.
Same as you can have a strong belief that God does not exist, but you are not able to prove God does not exist, unless you know something....?
It takes just as much faith to believe that there isn't a god as believing that there is.
Personally, I don't give a flying fvck in a rolling donut either way.
Personally, I don't give a flying fvck in a rolling donut either way.
Originally posted by: jndietz
why do you believe that you can be agnostic and still say you are catholic? I am just wondering, not trying to be an ass or anything
I am a muslim,In koran it says that if you are not really sure,God appreciates that.
I also believe that if you are not sure but try to make sure God will guide you;it happened to me.
and what would your "assessment" of god be? there is no way to assess something that does not exist.
A true Atheist denies the existence of a god. An Agnostic beleives that it is impossible to know if one exists or not. This is the belief that Lonyo expressed.
Kadarin
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Originally posted by: jndietz
why do you believe that you can be agnostic and still say you are catholic? I am just wondering, not trying to be an ass or anything
I am an athiest, meaning that I do not believe that any form of God exists. I recognize the possibility is there that God (or gods, or whatever) exist in some form, but I see no point whatsoever in unfounded belief. I believe the Bible and all other religious texts are a huge load of dung.
However, given all that.. I can certainly say I'm Catholic (or Buddhist, or Druid, or whatever). It's called LYING, and lying has a purpose sometimes.
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: jndietz
why do you believe that you can be agnostic and still say you are catholic? I am just wondering, not trying to be an ass or anything
I am an athiest, meaning that I do not believe that any form of God exists. I recognize the possibility is there that God (or gods, or whatever) exist in some form, but I see no point whatsoever in unfounded belief. I believe the Bible and all other religious texts are a huge load of dung.
However, given all that.. I can certainly say I'm Catholic (or Buddhist, or Druid, or whatever). It's called LYING, and lying has a purpose sometimes.
I don't believe in the bible and all that stuff about the earth being created in 7 days stuff. I don't believe in Jesus or God in general... I do think that maybe there is some higher power out there in the universe, has better understanding that we do, but obviously i have no proof. does that make me agnostic or Atheist?
Kadarin
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Originally posted by: Jnetty99
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: jndietz
why do you believe that you can be agnostic and still say you are catholic? I am just wondering, not trying to be an ass or anything
I am an athiest, meaning that I do not believe that any form of God exists. I recognize the possibility is there that God (or gods, or whatever) exist in some form, but I see no point whatsoever in unfounded belief. I believe the Bible and all other religious texts are a huge load of dung.
However, given all that.. I can certainly say I'm Catholic (or Buddhist, or Druid, or whatever). It's called LYING, and lying has a purpose sometimes.
I don't believe in the bible and all that stuff about the earth being created in 7 days stuff. I don't believe in Jesus or God in general... I do think that maybe there is some higher power out there in the universe, has better understanding that we do, but obviously i have no proof. does that make me agnostic or Atheist?
You are neither. You are Deist, meaning that you believe in some undefined higher power.
I don't see how it's possible to have a belief that something doesn't exist. It either exists or it doesn't. In this case, without evidence, it doesn't. I don't believe I fall into either category, unless you want to get rid of the term "belief" in atheism. Anyone have the same mindset?
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