Are you starting to get nervous?

[flexy]

I actually mainly agree with you on this. To your last point, ever notice that more often than not when a company goes public, its product goes to shit? This is pretty evident with fast food. Chic Fil A is crushing it while the other public companies' burgers keep getting smaller, cheaper, and using shittier chemicals/ingredients. With these companies' quarterly earnings to worry about, it behooves them to keep wages as low as possible. So yes, with automation right around the corner (see Elon Musk's thoughts on that from yesterday), I see less jobs being created and more gubmint dependency. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing if we lived 200 years in the future where we can do anything we want with our lives since everything is provided for us (Bernie ran a millenium too early). However, we still have to get to that utopian future and in order to build that tech, innovation needs to be the focus. And gubmint dependency stifles competition and innovation. After the replicator is created, I'm all for a gubmint dependency argument.

This "utopian future" works well in many Western European countries, for many, many decades.
It's you guys who are 200 years behind in all matters social. Heck, some of you cannot even fathom a woman for president. Lolmao.
Bernie was not "too early", one must be blind not to see how fucked up the system in the US is already and right now.

 

[SP33Demon]

This "utopian future" works well in many Western European countries, for many, many decades.
It's you guys who are 200 years behind in all matters social. Heck, some of you cannot even fathom a woman for president. Lolmao.
Bernie was not "too early", one must be blind not to see how fucked up the system in the US is already and right now.

Created another thread for this topic.
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...vernment-will-have-to-pay-your-wages.2491110/

Excuse me, but the US is the country that innovated on intellectual property, not Europe. Y'all are just riding our fucking coattails. So tell us again who took tech to a new level? That's right, the country with more competition. We are greedy as fuck, but greed is what fuels competition which is what creates new innovations like IP and tech.

 

[Fenixgoon]

cnn's article headline of "4 contests tilt towards trump" certainly has me worried. i was hoping this would be more of a landslide election than a contested one.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

just depressed that ~30% of this country think that fuckface von clownstick is a viable candidate with good ideas about the future of our land.

 

[flexy]

Created another thread for this topic.
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...vernment-will-have-to-pay-your-wages.2491110/

Excuse me, but the US is the country that innovated on intellectual property, not Europe. Y'all are just riding our fucking coattails. So tell us again who took tech to a new level? That's right, the country with more competition. We are greedy as fuck, but greed is what fuels competition which is what creates new innovations like IP and tech.

So wait, you think companies (or entrepreneurs, or small biz or whoever) in Europe, even in "very socialist" nations like in northern Europe are NOT working for profit and greed? Do you think there are "other" principles at work? What about intellectual property such as, alternative and renewable energies where Europe is miles ahead of the US?

I still don't even see what all this has to do with your broken, social structure. Who gives a hoot about, say, Apple's profit when people are fucking starving and Joe needs to work three jobs just to get by? Do you STILL think Apple creates jobs in the US? (Whereas Apple of course is just one example I am picking here).

My comment was about your social structure and masses of poor/middle class very, very bad off in the US as compared to other nations, and you replied with "who took tech to a new level?" If it was all that nice and rosy, then why is it so bad in the US right now? Are you denying that the "average" person does poorly and the middle class disappearing, with a VERY tiny minority of "Elites" owning 90% of the wealth in the US? Still believing in trickle down? REALLY?

 

[flexy]

just depressed that ~30% of this country think that fuckface von clownstick is a viable candidate with good ideas about the future of our land.

Yes, because waving flags....and "patriotism" (even if Trump is in essence very un-American)...solves all problems
If you work 3 jobs for $6 hour...just wave the flag and shout "USA, USA!"...and everything will be better.... lol

 

[Sunburn74]

just depressed that ~30% of this country think that fuckface von clownstick is a viable candidate with good ideas about the future of our land.

30% + all the ridiculous single issue voters and the few hardcore tribalists

Single issue voters drive me insane. They always have.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yes, because waving flags....and "patriotism" (even if Trump is in essence very un-American)...solves all problems
If you work 3 jobs for $6 hour...just wave the flag and shout "USA, USA!"...and everything will be better.... lol

Yeah, because getting a "free" college education in liberal arts will do you any good. But wait, you should get it in STEM, but then they'll just bring in unlimited H1Bs. Can't not go to college because then you'll compete with unlimited illegals.

But hey, it's 100% shit to think America First. After all, there isn't a single other country on the planet that is protective of their industries.

Even now, you look at a company like HNA out of China. Gobbling up companies, American and others, 5-10bn at a time, Hilton, Carlson, Seaco, CIT Aircraft leasing, Avolon...etc. Where do they get the money? Ohh, that's right, from state sponsored Chinese banks. But the second we try to protect our industries? Well, that's just mercantilism.

Look at Germany's protectionism. Mittelstand, Landesbanks, VW being hugely owned by a province. Italian companies and banks owned by municipalities. Huge unions, Germany First. That isn't mercantilism.

 

[LegendKiller]

just depressed that ~30% of this country think that fuckface von clownstick is a viable candidate with good ideas about the future of our land.

LOL - feel the anger. It going to hurt on Tuesday.

I love all of the lefty belief that they are "leading" in NV because they have more D ballots returned. Sorry, but Is are breaking for Trump by double digits and Rs don't early vote as much.

Look at FL, your election officials are corrupt as fuck, opening ballots before they can be canvassed. The hammer is coming down.

Trump is going to crush this. He's probably going to win popular by 5-6 and blow out EC. This is what happens when you run around playing tribalistic SJW fuckery. Enjoy it.

 

[Sonikku]

LOL - feel the anger. It going to hurt on Tuesday.

I love all of the lefty belief that they are "leading" in NV because they have more D ballots returned. Sorry, but Is are breaking for Trump by double digits and Rs don't early vote as much.

Look at FL, your election officials are corrupt as fuck, opening ballots before they can be canvassed. The hammer is coming down.

Trump is going to crush this. He's probably going to win popular by 5-6 and blow out EC. This is what happens when you run around playing tribalistic SJW fuckery. Enjoy it.

reserved.

 

[ultimatebob]

I'm not too worried. Hillary is projected to win in over 80% of the mathematical models, and if she wins it's basically 4 more years of the Obama administration.

If Trump wins, the news will be more interesting but I doubt that he'll be able to accomplish much. Half of his own party seems to hate him at this point.

 

[Grooveriding]

reserved.

LOL, I expect all he'll have come the following day is some fucked up conspiracy theory being pushed about by wingnut websites about how the election was rigged and turnip didn't really lose.

 

[PlanetJosh]

Yea, but the article still states that Hillary is holding the majority and the road to 270 is much much easier for her. She only needs to win one battleground state. OTOH, Donald still needs a huge push and the road to 270 is still going to be very difficult. Of course, much can still change. We've got 4 plus days left.

I really glossed over that part in the survey where she only needs to win one of those close states. Overlooked it actually.

 

[Fern]

"Are you starting to get nervous?"

IMO, "nervous" is the wrong word. Instead, I think it's somewhere between the range of "pessimism" and "impending sense of doom".

Long ago I grew weary of this election. haven't watched much coverage other than some pollsters (I care little what so-called "strategists" say, they know no more than any of us). The alarming part, I think, is that many of them have claimed that these two candidates are so unpopular that when any one of them is in the news more that candidate's polling number fall (or unfavorables rise). I.e., the more we see of them, the more we dislike them.

Well, one of them is going to win and thereby be on TV ALL THE TIME. Half or more of the population is going to grow even more sick of the winner. With such an unpopular President, no matter which, we're in for trouble.

Fern

 

[agent00f]

IMO, "nervous" is the wrong word. Instead, I think it's somewhere between the range of "pessimism" and "impending sense of doom".

Long ago I grew weary of this election. haven't watched much coverage other than some pollsters (I care little what so-called "strategists" say, they know no more than any of us). The alarming part, I think, is that many of them have claimed that these two candidates are so unpopular that when any one of them is in the news more that candidate's polling number fall (or unfavorables rise). I.e., the more we see of them, the more we dislike them.

Well, one of them is going to win and thereby be on TV ALL THE TIME. Half or more of the population is going to grow even more sick of the winner. With such an unpopular President, no matter which, we're in for trouble.

Fern

I didn't read the thread, but unless you believe Jesus Christ to be a particular great demagogue for these times, that socialist pansie liberal would be similarly unpopular running against Trump.

 

[agent00f]

Yeah, because getting a "free" college education in liberal arts will do you any good. But wait, you should get it in STEM, but then they'll just bring in unlimited H1Bs. Can't not go to college because then you'll compete with unlimited illegals.

But hey, it's 100% shit to think America First. After all, there isn't a single other country on the planet that is protective of their industries.

Even now, you look at a company like HNA out of China. Gobbling up companies, American and others, 5-10bn at a time, Hilton, Carlson, Seaco, CIT Aircraft leasing, Avolon...etc. Where do they get the money? Ohh, that's right, from state sponsored Chinese banks. But the second we try to protect our industries? Well, that's just mercantilism.

Look at Germany's protectionism. Mittelstand, Landesbanks, VW being hugely owned by a province. Italian companies and banks owned by municipalities. Huge unions, Germany First. That isn't mercantilism.

Didn't know you were a state socialist.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Actually I am nervous given the fact that most gun owners are hate filled republicans who are too blind to think for themselves. Combine that with religion and boy howdy look out because you're going to get some real tin foil hat worthy garbage from them. I told my parents that I needed to put on my tin foil hat for the election today and they didn't take kindly to it because they know I support Hillary and reject the Republican party and the hate filled message they stand for. Their hypocritical message is coming home to roost today.

 

[agent00f]

Actually I am nervous given the fact that most gun owners are hate filled republicans who are too blind to think for themselves. Combine that with religion and boy howdy look out because you're going to get some real tin foil hat worthy garbage from them. I told my parents that I needed to put on my tin foil hat for the election today and they didn't take kindly to it because they know I support Hillary and reject the Republican party and the hate filled message they stand for. Their hypocritical message is coming home to roost today.

In all fairness their hate is somewhat understandable because modernity is upending their world of the past. Fortunately it's a problem that'll fix itself to a large extent because the next generation is growing up with much less of that nostalgia.

 

[Jhhnn]

IMO, "nervous" is the wrong word. Instead, I think it's somewhere between the range of "pessimism" and "impending sense of doom".

Long ago I grew weary of this election. haven't watched much coverage other than some pollsters (I care little what so-called "strategists" say, they know no more than any of us). The alarming part, I think, is that many of them have claimed that these two candidates are so unpopular that when any one of them is in the news more that candidate's polling number fall (or unfavorables rise). I.e., the more we see of them, the more we dislike them.

Well, one of them is going to win and thereby be on TV ALL THE TIME. Half or more of the population is going to grow even more sick of the winner. With such an unpopular President, no matter which, we're in for trouble.

Fern

Keep spreading the FUD. Repubs managed to make the election about personality rather than policy... and then nominated Trump.

When the emphasis shifts to policy, Trump has a really low ceiling because his policies suck. That's not true of Clinton. Partisanship aside, Americans in general will find most of this appealing-

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Or Repubs can still defend trickle down behind a wall of obstructionism, wedge issues & puffed up scandal. I think that will become increasingly difficult.

 

[PokerGuy]

just depressed that ~30% of this country think that fuckface von clownstick is a viable candidate with good ideas about the future of our land.

It's worse, it's more than 30%, and she's going to win the election too

 

[PokerGuy]

Americans in general will find most of this appealing-

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Except for the part about it all being a bunch of lies, as is everything with her.

 

[Pens1566]

Keep spreading the FUD. Repubs managed to make the election about personality rather than policy... and then nominated Trump.

When the emphasis shifts to policy, Trump has a really low ceiling because his policies suck. That's not true of Clinton. Partisanship aside, Americans in general will find most of this appealing-

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Or Repubs can still defend trickle down behind a wall of obstructionism, wedge issues & puffed up scandal. I think that will become increasingly difficult.

What did you expect? Fern was an OG birther around these parts.

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm not the least bit nervous. The results of this election have been a foregone conclusion for at least 4 years, I already know the crap we're going to be stuck with. It's just about limiting the damage she can do.

 

[hal2kilo]

What did you expect? Fern was an OG birther around these parts.

Yep, it amazing how people can fool you. Seemed to hold intelligent discussions, but then he/she went with the birther bullshit. No longer fooled.

 

[Commodus]

I'm not the least bit nervous. The results of this election have been a foregone conclusion for at least 4 years, I already know the crap we're going to be stuck with. It's just about limiting the damage she can do.

Your view reminds me of how some Republican supporters acted during the 2008 election. Do you remember? They proclaimed gloom and doom, that Obama was secretly a commie/fascist/Muslim terrorist/anti-white radical who would take everyone's guns and destroy America. Of course, we're here 8 years later and none of that happened. The US got a politician who, while he made significant mistakes (the flaws in Obamacare, not doing enough to anticipate/fight ISIS early on), will primarily be remembered for restoring the reputation that Bush Jr. damaged, for ushering in a tech-savvy government and making important progress on social issues like LGBT rights.

We're not going to get a carbon copy of Obama with Clinton, of course, but nor is she some horrible wrecking ball that can only be held back by an obstructionist Republican Congress. The boring answer? Even if Congress goes Democrat, she'll likely end up being relentlessly... moderate and adequate. We need to get past this sky-is-falling notion for every politician we don't like. Trump is an exception, since he's an incompetent, petty, racist, sexist egomaniac, but most politicians are not going to cause serious damage even if you think their policies are wrong.