Are you scared of blacks? And is it wrong to be scared of blacks?

[DigDug]

what i don't get is why i see some blacks speak ebonics on purpose. i remember working with some black folk in a professional setting. once they were in a casual setting among other blacks, they'd digress into ebonics.

Exactly. Oprah does this all the time. If she has a black guest, when speaking to the guest she'll put on the characteristic heckles and affected gutteral laugh, and switch to the"mah mama sayd" way of speaking.

Its not about whether its "valid" or not. Whether its a "dialect". Actually, I believe it is a dialect, but a dialect is only such because so many speak it, right? And that goes back to my point. As skoorb correctly explained, its a mass-ignorance that has become a cultural artifact. The process is no different than any other culture - its just sad that what's being codified are unproductive and detrimental behavior.

And here's the big question Why does something Cultural have to be preserved if it is detrimental? Why shouldn't India, as it has been doing, try to do away with female circumcision, and wife-burning? These are products of ignorance just like ebonics! But the government there is trying to eradicate it and it is now largely confined to the rural villages, where, SURPRISE SURPISE, the dumbest and most ignorant live. Even there it will soon be wiped out.

But here, no....the liberal arts bunch wants to sit in a circle and just spoud "good things" for just the sake of doing so. Patching up differences, rather than attacking and understanding those differnces, which is the true way to progess...


Oh, forget it. I'm getting tired.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: Sid59

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Explain some more.

Not sure if this is what he meant by it, but I agree with the statement and the reason being ebonics is poorly taught english. It's like written english and a person misusing the word your when they need to use you're. Ebonics is just that in verbal format and taken to a whole new level. It's just a bastardized, incorrect, form of English. English does mature and go off on tangents, and you can see that american and UK english are different, so you can claim in some ways that ebonics is a legitimate version of english, but it's not going to get you a job. It's mistaught, poorly constructed english.

ebonics is like an accent.

It's a dialect.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: Sid59

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Explain some more.

Not sure if this is what he meant by it, but I agree with the statement and the reason being ebonics is poorly taught english. It's like written english and a person misusing the word your when they need to use you're. Ebonics is just that in verbal format and taken to a whole new level. It's just a bastardized, incorrect, form of English. English does mature and go off on tangents, and you can see that american and UK english are different, so you can claim in some ways that ebonics is a legitimate version of english, but it's not going to get you a job. It's mistaught, poorly constructed english.

ebonics is like an accent.

It's a dialect.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

what i don't get is why i see some blacks speak ebonics on purpose. i remember working with some black folk in a professional setting. once they were in a casual setting among other blacks, they'd digress into ebonics.

Exactly. Oprah does this all the time. If she has a black guest, when speaking to the guest she'll put on the characteristic heckles and affected gutteral laugh, and switch to the"mah mama sayd" way of speaking.

Its not about whether its "valid" or not. Whether its a "dialect". Actually, I believe it is a dialect, but a dialect is only such because so many speak it, right? And that goes back to my point. As skoorb correctly explained, its a mass-ignorance that has become a cultural artifact. The process is no different than any other culture - its just sad that what's being codified are unproductive and detrimental behavior.

And here's the big question Why does something Cultural have to be preserved if it is detrimental? Why shouldn't India, as it has been doing, try to do away with female circumcision, and wife-burning? These are products of ignorance just like ebonics! But the government there is trying to eradicate it and it is now largely confined to the rural villages, where, SURPRISE SURPISE, the dumbest and most ignorant live. Even there it will soon be wiped out.

But here, no....the liberal arts bunch wants to sit in a circle and just spoud "good things" for just the sake of doing so. Patching up differences, rather than attacking and understanding those differnces, which is the true way to progess...


Oh, forget it. I'm getting tired.

Unlike wife burning and female circumcision, speaking a different dialect doesn't hurt anyone or creates victims.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Unlike wife burning and female circumcision, speaking a different dialect doesn't hurt anyone or creates victims.

It doesn't hurt people out right, but it definitely is a significant roadblock in a lot of Blacks rising from the lower class and being accepted by the middle and upper, which is something I'm sure they want. I've seen plenty of well dressed successful blacks, and let me tell you not a one of them is going to axe you any questions. Except in the case or rappers and sports stars a person fully relying on the intricacies of ebonics simply will not be successful in the money/career sense of the word.

 

[phatj]

Im a victim of ebonics

 

[OulOat]

BAN

 

[TommyVercetti]

I took a Lingustics class, and it had a section for Ebonics in it. Ebonics has actual grammar and rules to speak it properly. What most here in Rap and Hip-hop is slang.

 

[Jeff7]

Blacks, like, black tomatoes?


- inspired by an episode of Futurama


Bender, speaking of Fry's sandwich - "What's that black cracker?"
Fry, crunching into it - "A tomato."

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: phatj
Im a victim of ebonics

My friend insists that Ebonics was started by a White Supremacist.

 

[DigDug]

Ebonics has actual grammar and rules to speak it properly

Again with the validity argument. SO what if it has rules? It should if it is to be a widespread dialect! But its existence is based in the misuse of normal english. Failure to conjugate verbs, the omission of articles like "the", the complete lack of possesives, this all comes from an ignorance of how to speak english.

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: Sid59

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Ebonics is a cultural artifact of ignorance, nothing else.

Explain some more.

Not sure if this is what he meant by it, but I agree with the statement and the reason being ebonics is poorly taught english. It's like written english and a person misusing the word your when they need to use you're. Ebonics is just that in verbal format and taken to a whole new level. It's just a bastardized, incorrect, form of English. English does mature and go off on tangents, and you can see that american and UK english are different, so you can claim in some ways that ebonics is a legitimate version of english, but it's not going to get you a job. It's mistaught, poorly constructed english.

ebonics is like an accent.

It's a dialect.

and then the usage of slang in the South? Dialect?

 

[stormbv]

Originally posted by: pulse8
I'm not afraid of blacks, but I'm afraid of Americans.

During the Civil War, the great state of Illinois experienced a split, with the southern part of the state being for the Confederacy. The northern part was, of course, a Union State, because most Chicagoans had actually seen a black person before, unlike here, "Yep...they got a black guy on our crew at work...probably because of AA."

An area man from around here moved to the UP of Michigan because blacks had moved into his neighborhood. He told us when we went snowmobiling up there. How whiter can you get than the UP?!

It's the Great White Migration: Phase II

 

[JBAR]

I'll admit it, I'm scared of blacks. But only in the locker room.

 

[stormbv]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

Ebonics has actual grammar and rules to speak it properly

Again with the validity argument. SO what if it has rules? It should if it is to be a widespread dialect! But its existence is based in the misuse of normal english. Failure to conjugate verbs, the omission of articles like "the", the complete lack of possesives, this all comes from an ignorance of how to speak english.

I'm sure in the history of human languages this is not the first misused language that has formed into a dialect. What's that Spanish dialect...the Basques? They are isolated from the rest of the culture. So what if rappers use it to "sound gangsta"? "Time for full integration...please leave your culture at the door, you're American's now!"

 

[Sust]

From the neuroscience point of view, everyone could be afraid of African Americans except for other African American people.
There was an article a year or 2 ago which had caucasian and african american people look at black&white faces of caucasian and african american faces. They did this task while they were in an MRI scanner so they were able to measure their brain activity when the faces came up.
The researchers specifically homed in on the amygdala which is a brain structure stongly implicated in the human fear response and found that when the subject's race was NOT the same as the face on the screen, there was a statistically significant increase in neuronal response in the amygdala.
That being said, this is JUST one article and you CANNOT read too much into it.
Their results IMPLY ONE THING ONLY: American humans might be afraid of faces whose skin color does not match theirs.
Most people probably didnt hear much about this b/c the general public would most definitely blow this out of proportion. Hopefully the AT community is smarter than the average bear.
I can get the original PDF of this article if you want to read it.

If you dare, you should try the IAT. You might just be surprised.
Link

 

[stormbv]

Originally posted by: Sust
From the neuroscience point of view, everyone could be afraid of African Americans except for other African American people.
There was an article a year or 2 ago which had caucasian and african american people look at black&white faces of caucasian and african american faces. They did this task while they were in an MRI scanner so they were able to measure their brain activity when the faces came up.
The researchers specifically homed in on the amygdala which is a brain structure stongly implicated in the human fear response and found that when the subject's race was NOT the same as the face on the screen, there was a statistically significant increase in neuronal response in the amygdala.
That being said, this is JUST one article and you CANNOT read too much into it.
Their results IMPLY ONE THING ONLY: American humans might be afraid of faces whose skin color does not match theirs.
Most people probably didnt hear much about this b/c the general public would most definitely blow this out of proportion. Hopefully the AT community is smarter than the average bear.
I can get the original PDF of this article if you want to read it.

If you dare, you should try the IAT. You might just be surprised.
Link

Umm...the way we perceive things isn't always the way it is. We are dillusional...we are all afraid, our national psyche scared to confront what's been on our national conscious. If our nation were in any 12 step program, hopefully they'd confess and give themselves up to the U.N.

That's quite a load to carry for these past 4 or 5 Centuries. But atrocity is a risky business...you have oppressed a number of generations of a whole race for generations...and to pull the cloack down a little to approve of it through Religion and Education! :| :evil:

 

[ed21x]

Nope- not afraid of blacks.

The second I start becoming afraid of blacks is the day we see clear correlations between skin colors and crime rate. Outside of that, people have no basis to make assumptions that black people on average are more dangerous than other races.

 

[MrCodeDude]

Dem negroes be scary!! Wit all der hippity to da bibbity speeky

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Sust
From the neuroscience point of view, everyone could be afraid of African Americans except for other African American people.
There was an article a year or 2 ago which had caucasian and african american people look at black&white faces of caucasian and african american faces. They did this task while they were in an MRI scanner so they were able to measure their brain activity when the faces came up.
The researchers specifically homed in on the amygdala which is a brain structure stongly implicated in the human fear response and found that when the subject's race was NOT the same as the face on the screen, there was a statistically significant increase in neuronal response in the amygdala.
That being said, this is JUST one article and you CANNOT read too much into it.
Their results IMPLY ONE THING ONLY: American humans might be afraid of faces whose skin color does not match theirs.
Most people probably didnt hear much about this b/c the general public would most definitely blow this out of proportion. Hopefully the AT community is smarter than the average bear.
I can get the original PDF of this article if you want to read it.

If you dare, you should try the IAT. You might just be surprised.
Link

The thing a bout that is, if you bring your perceptions to incorporate everyone into your race that wont occur.

I live in a highly Hispanic part of the nation, we all honestly notice when someone is not of the same skin color as you.. i think.. but i don't notice this about Hispanics unless they are waring a stereotype costume AND start using stereotype langage.


as for being "afraid" of blacks.. no, I'm afraid of space aliens.. whenever I'm walking through a poor neighborhood *like the government subsidized housing that i grew up in* i was always afraid aliens would abduct me.

 

[Chrono]

OH NO. EVERYBODY IS LABELING HIM A RACIST BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT A PARTICULAR RACE. YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS.
He's not even being racist or anything, merely specifying that he's scared of black people because he has been conditioned by people and the media to react that way.
-_-

 

[stormbv]

Originally posted by: Chrono
OH NO. EVERYBODY IS LABELING HIM A RACIST BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT A PARTICULAR RACE. YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS.
He's not even being racist or anything, merely specifying that he's scared of black people because he has been conditioned by people and the media to react that way.
-_-

The question isn't racist, just ignorant. As Jim Morisson would say, "You're all a bunch of F'in slaves!"

And people wonder why the world is in this condition.

 

[Gerbil333]

No, of course not. It's just another race...people are people! Yes, it is wrong to be scared: It's racism!

 

[MrAwesome]

I'm more afraid of french people than blacks.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: johnnyocean5

Originally posted by: Blayze
no, why would you be?

Because whether you admit it or not, black people are the most feared people in this country. In the media, black people are disproportionately shown as criminals as compared to other races. And it seems like alot of black people embrace that thug kind of idea in rap music. I think everyone wants to believe that they don't have any stereotypes in their heads but really, they do. Even that one black leader says he gets nervous when he's walking down a street and he sees a black teenager walking behind him. Just write about the topic and lets get some debate going instead of just trying to attack me personally.

Have you ever listened to what a lot of rap says....I used to ignore and hate tupac b/c all I thought he rapped about was cars, chicks and hoes (something i just don't have any care for) but after listening to some other of his songs it really got me to realize that he was REALLY good...same with a few other artists...

But yeah listen to the lyrics- you'd be amazed what they talk about and it isn't always cars, chicks and money (which i still don't care for...)