Are you prepared to shoot an intruder?

Taggart

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I remember seeing some self-defense/home defense expert (something like that) discourage owning a firearm. He claimed it was more dangerous to family members because of the threat of accidents.

He claimed that most gun owners will hesitate before shooting an intruder, so the gun is useless. Are you willing and able to pull the trigger when the time comes?
 

xanis

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It depends. If the intruder was armed and threatened my family then I definitely could pull the trigger. However, if the intruder was un-armed or lightly armed (baseball bat, crowbar, etc) then I think I would have a hard time shooting them.
 

BigJ

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Every individual is different.

Also, practice, training, and preparation go a long way in being able to pull the trigger. If you're confident in yourself and the ability to use the weapon, and you've come to terms with the possibility of ending another's life to preserve you and your family's safety, the likelihood of hesitation can be greatly reduced.
 
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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: imthebadguy
idk...i'd aim for the legs or something i guess

And wind up getting you and your family killed...

two to center mass, one to the head ftw

if someone breaks in my house they're gonna get either .357 hollow point or buckshot, depending on which floor i happen to be on...and i have no sympathy for them
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: imthebadguy
idk...i'd aim for the legs or something i guess

And wind up getting you and your family killed...

bingo

center of mass only, if he dies thats his problem
 
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Originally posted by: Taggart
I remember seeing some self-defense/home defense expert (something like that) discourage owning a firearm. He claimed it was more dangerous to family members because of the threat of accidents.

He claimed that most gun owners will hesitate before shooting an intruder, so the gun is useless. Are you willing and able to pull the trigger when the time comes?

Most people who talk about the 'more dangerous to family' thing are reciting from a debunked study. There is NO factual statistic to establish such a thing.

He is correct that you have to be willing to use it though. It takes quite a bit of mental and emotional preparation to really be ready to use a firearm, and many people simply aren't geared towards it. Nothing wrong with that at all. If you don't have the gun with the sole intent on killing, then you shouldn't have the gun...it's the only thing they're good for. When it's life or death, the gun tips the scales towards your life and their death, that's all. (mind you this is talking defense issues, not hunting or target shooting)

That being said, I don't believe I'd have any issues pulling the trigger whatsoever. I've never hesitated on a draw, and I was ready for the slightest reason to drop my finger onto the trigger from ready. While my adrenaline certainly came up, I never felt afterwards that I'd acted incorrectly, or questioned my ability to follow through.
 

acemcmac

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The only reason I won't confront an intruder with a fully loaded 30 round bananna clip or a larger drum in my AK is because I don't want to use it ALL and then be cited for excessive force :evil:
 

Rubycon

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What if the intruder was an amazingly attractive woman - a ten?

They didn't design the trigger to be pulled by the male organ. :laugh:

Originally posted by: acemcmac
The only reason I won't confront an intruder with a fully loaded 30 round bananna clip or a larger drum in my AK is because I don't want to use it ALL and then be cited for excessive force :evil:


You know the gun fanatics are going to ream you hard for saying clip. :p
 
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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
What if the intruder was an amazingly attractive woman - a ten?

They didn't design the trigger to be pulled by the male organ. :laugh:

I have stored up anger from my ex...women are twice as likely to get the full magazine from me. :cool:
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
What if the intruder was an amazingly attractive woman - a ten?

They didn't design the trigger to be pulled by the male organ. :laugh:

I'm sure the body would stay warm for at least a couple of minutes

:Q
 

acemcmac

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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
What if the intruder was an amazingly attractive woman - a ten?

They didn't design the trigger to be pulled by the male organ. :laugh:

Originally posted by: acemcmac
The only reason I won't confront an intruder with a fully loaded 30 round bananna clip or a larger drum in my AK is because I don't want to use it ALL and then be cited for excessive force :evil:


You know the gun fanatics are going to ream you hard for saying clip. :p

okay okay... magazine. Have you ever heard of a bananna magazine though?
 

acemcmac

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: MS Dawn
What if the intruder was an amazingly attractive woman - a ten?

They didn't design the trigger to be pulled by the male organ. :laugh:

I'm sure the body would stay warm for at least a couple of minutes

:Q

:shocked:

Yeah... I think I'd at least squeeze a titty or something :evil:
 

Rubycon

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Originally posted by: BigJ


I'm sure the body would stay warm for at least a couple of minutes

:Q

:shocked:

This place reminds me of the slot machine that never pays but you piss money into anyways - because you never know what you're gonna get! :laugh:

Originally posted by: acemcmac

okay okay... magazine. Have you ever heard of a bananna magazine though?

Oh yes everyone from the era says banana clip. Banana magazine sounds like something that a gorilla (or is it guerilla? hehe) would read. :p

 

MX2

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I'd shoot anyone trying to harm me or my family....point blank right between the eyes.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Originally posted by: BigJ


I'm sure the body would stay warm for at least a couple of minutes

:Q

:shocked:

This place reminds me of the slot machine that never pays but you piss money into anyways - because you never know what you're gonna get! :laugh:

Originally posted by: acemcmac

okay okay... magazine. Have you ever heard of a bananna magazine though?

Oh yes everyone from the era says banana clip. Banana magazine sounds like something that a gorilla (or is it guerilla? hehe) would read. :p
Or a lesbian. ;)
 

KarenMarie

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I absolutely, unequivocally, categorically, unquestionably have what it takes to pull that trigger and then sleep like a baby.

 
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SlitheryDee

Like someone said earlier, I can't tell you with absolute certainty that I wouldn't hesitate. Right now as I think about it I KNOW that the best thing to do in that situation is take the shot immediately, so I certainly hope I wouldn't hesitate.

On a moral level if it's going to be you or him that bites the dust then it's perfectly alright for you to do your damndest to make sure it's him.
 

Number1

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: Taggart
I remember seeing some self-defense/home defense expert (something like that) discourage owning a firearm. He claimed it was more dangerous to family members because of the threat of accidents.

He claimed that most gun owners will hesitate before shooting an intruder, so the gun is useless. Are you willing and able to pull the trigger when the time comes?

Most people who talk about the 'more dangerous to family' thing are reciting from a debunked study. There is NO factual statistic to establish such a thing.

Before you talk out of your behind, why don't you do a little bit of research. Its prety simple: No gun in the home=no dead children.

Gun Injury and Death: United States Data

In 2000 a total of 28,663 people died from firearm injuries.
National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. National Vital Statistics Report, Volume 50. No. 15, September 16, 2002.

A gun kept in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to commit or attempt a suicide than to be used in self defense.
Kellerman, et al. Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home. The Journal of Trauma; Injury, Infection and Critical Care. Vol. 45, no. 2

The firearms industry is virtually the only manufacturer of a consumer product not required to meet basic product safety standards ? in fact, toy guns are more regulated for safety than are real guns.
Consumer Federation of America Foundation. ?Which One is More Regulated?? Brochure printed 2000.

Over 57% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.
National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. National Vital Statistics Report, Volume 50. No. 15, September 16, 2002.

Cut/stab wounds killed 1,743 Americans in 2000; gunshots killed 28,663 the same year.
Federal Bureau of Investigation, US Department of Justice. ?Crime in the United States 2000.? Uniform Crime Reports. October 2001.

In 1999, for homicides in which the weapon could be identified, 53% of female victims were shot and killed with guns ? more than 63% were shot by male intimates. The number of females shot and killed by their intimate acquaintance was more than 4 times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined. When Men Murder Women, October 2001. Analysis of 1999 Federal Bureau of Investigation Supplementary Homicide Report data. Analysis conducted by Violence Policy Center.

A child or a teenager commits 55% of all unintentional shootings.
Center to Prevent Handgun Violence. Parents, Kids, & Guns: A Nationwide Survey. 1998. Data collected by Peter D. Hart Research Associates. .Survey conducted from October 31 to November 4, 1998.

One out of three handguns is kept loaded and unlocked in the home.
Cook, Philip J. and Jens Ludwig. Guns in America: Results of a comprehensive national survey on firearms ownership and use. Police Foundation, 1996

Only 30% of parents ask the parents of their children?s friends if they keep a gun in the home.
Center to Prevent Handgun Violence. Parents, Kids, & Guns: A Nationwide Survey. 1998. Data collected by Peter D. Hart Research Associates. Survey conducted from October 31 to November 4, 1998.

In a 1998 study, 80% of clinicians stated that they should counsel on firearm safety, but only 30% do so. Of those clinicians who currently counsel, only 20% counsel more than 10% of their patient families.
Barkin, et al. The smoking gun: Do clinicians follow guidelines on firearm safety counseling? Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine. 1998;152:749-756



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Firearm Facts
In 1997, 32,436 Americans were killed with firearms-in homicides, suicides and accidents. In comparison, 33,651 Americans were killed in the Korean War and 58,148 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War. National Center for Health Statistics, 1997
Currently, an estimated 39% of households have a gun, while 24% have a handgun. The University of Chicago, 1998
There are approximately 192 million privately owned firearms in the U.S. --65 million of which are handguns. Police Foundations, 1996
Approximately 29% of adults personally own a firearm, and 18% personally own a handgun. The University of Chicago, 1998
1997, 32,436 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths - 12,942 (40%) of those were murdered; 17,566 (54%) were suicides; 981 (3%) were accidents; and in 367 (1%) the intent was unknown. National Center for Health Statistics, 1997
In 1998, 8 out of 10 of those murdered with firearms were murdered with handguns. FBI Uniform Crime Report, 1998
In 1997, gunshot wounds were the second leading cause of injury death for men and women 10-24 years of age - second only to motor vehicle crashes. National Center for Health Statistics, 1999
In 1997, the firearm injury death rate among males 15-24 years of age was 42% higher than the motor vehicle traffic injury death rate. National Center for Health Statistics, 1999
In 1997, more than 11 children and teenagers, ages 19 and under, were killed with guns everyday. National Vital Statistics, 1998
In 1998, 77% of murdered juveniles age 13-19 were killed with a firearm. Department of Justice, 1999
From 1993 through 1997, an average of 1,409 children and teenagers took their own lives with guns each year. National Center for Health Statistics
Each year during 1993 through 1997, an average of 1,621 murderers who had not reached their 18th birthdays took someone's life with a gun. Federal Bureau of Investigations
In 1996, handguns were used to murder 2 people in New Zealand, 15 in Japan, 30 in Great Britain, 106 in Canada, 213 in Germany and 9,390 in the United States. FBI Uniform Crime Report, 1996
 

funboy6942

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I could shoot someone but not to kill. I would take out a kneecap or somewhere that it wouldnt kill them but stop them in thier tracks. Now if said intruder has come in and killed off one of my family members then I would have no troubles pumping him full of lead, relaod the gun and do it again and so forth till the cops pry the gun from my hands.