Are you prepared to shoot an intruder?

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: duragezic
Yeah I really wish the idiot with the huge post would be banned and moreso the genius who had to quote the whole thing just to write a useless response.

As to the people who say the wouldn't aim to kill, I've read that you are setting yourself up for lawsuits if you just injure them (especially something like a kneecap I'd imagine). Nothing like that ever came to you Nebor? I think its absolute bs that you can't injure them without worrying about a lawsuit from a scumbag criminal. But I dont know the whole truth to that.

If I wasn't in the middle of finals prep I might have time to make a condensed version, without duplicity...but I am, so it's the best I can do.

The general argument used is that if you aren't shooting to kill then you didn't feel your life was in jeaporday, and if it wasn't then you had no right to bring a gun into play. It can, and has, resulted in successful lawsuits against the shooter, but not every time I'm sure.

 

[mzvqnia]

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[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: mzvqnia
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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

OK, once you're neffing. But twice is a definite vacation proposal. I see you made the account just to do this, so you must be trying to get the thread locked in order to hold off any further losses by the anti-gunners. So sorry to hear you were on the losing side of the argument.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: LoKe
No one can say they could or couldn't unless they've been in such a position.

Exactly...

I've shot people twice. No hesitation. The more interesting of the two stories was when I was up late one night working on the computer. It was around 10pm, and I hear something peculiar from the front of the house.
I walk to the front of the house, and look out the kitchen window, and there's some dirty looking guy in a white tshirt messing with my front door. At that moment he looked right at me. Then he takes off running around the side of my house. I run into the office, grab the phone, and grab my Sig 228 out of the desk.
I walk back into the living room, call 911, and then I hear a bang on my back door, which is mostly glass. He's tripped the motion light so he's fully illuminated, and he's trying to break the glass. So I point the gun at him (had newly installed CrimsonTrace laser grips), all the while explaining the situation to the 911 operator. The guy sees the gun, I expect him to run, but he shoves his hand in his pocket. I fired a shot through the back door, through a glass storm door, and into his left shoulder. He dropped immediately. I told the 911 operator to send an ambulance.
I declined to talk to the police, waiting for my attorney to arrive at the house around midnight. Once he spoke with them, they left without incidence, and the bad guy went to the hospital.
As it turned out, he was a real scumbag. Had warrants for armed robbery, domestic violence, injury to a child and more. Turns out he didn't have a gun, he had a screwdriver.

I never thought that statement applied to someone who has previously killed someone.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: duragezic
Yeah I really wish the idiot with the huge post would be banned and moreso the genius who had to quote the whole thing just to write a useless response.

As to the people who say the wouldn't aim to kill, I've read that you are setting yourself up for lawsuits if you just injure them (especially something like a kneecap I'd imagine). Nothing like that ever came to you Nebor? I think its absolute bs that you can't injure them without worrying about a lawsuit from a scumbag criminal. But I dont know the whole truth to that.

Texas doesn't entertain BS lawsuits. The guy never took legal action anyway, he just went to prison. I didn't aim to wound him, I just fired one shot to the torso and he went down, so I didn't need to shoot him again. Keep in mind I was on the phone and using a laser site at the time.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands


OK that was a long and good argument. I don't know what to think annymore about this statistical info on the web.

I personaly own 8 hunting rifles, all locked up. The amo is stored in a different location. My initial beef was with people carrying handguns. I still fail to see anny need for this.

On topic: I would have no problem shooting a home invader with any one of these

 

[datalink7]

Well, I don't own a firearm. But if I did, and someone broke in, it wouldn't be a problem for me.

Then again, I'm in the Army, soo...

 

[imported_LoKe]

I think the majority of your rights should be null and void when you trespass with mal-intent.

 

[eits]

i would absolutely shoot an intruder if i absolutely had to. if the intruder would not leave or posed a threat to me or my roommates, i wouldn't hesitate to shoot the person in the leg a couple times. i wouldn't shoot to kill (unless the intruder had a gun).

 

[FeuerFrei]

I think I would be a bit too eager to shoot someone who broke in. I'd want to make the son of a bitch pay and if he scampered out the door I'd have a hard time not shooting him in the back before he got away.

 

[Aimster]

I would kill them without thinking

then Id probably spend 10 years in prision because of the asshole.

 

[meltdown75]

I don't think I would be able to shoot anyone, unless they were directly harming me or my wife. Even then... just not sure. I doubt I would be able to. Maybe I would just shoot them in the knee, or the ass.

Then again, I don't have a gun so it doesn't matter.

 

[Praxis1452]

Depends. I like guns. Would probably not hesitate if needed.

Anybody think an intruder will run away from an airsoft? Now at close range would it stun them enough?

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I would kill them without thinking

then Id probably spend 10 years in prision because of the asshole.

that's why you shoot to kill, you leave yourself open to lawsuits and such if you only injure

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands


OK that was a long and good argument. I don't know what to think annymore about this statistical info on the web.

I personaly own 8 hunting rifles, all locked up. The amo is stored in a different location. My initial beef was with people carrying handguns. I still fail to see anny need for this.

On topic: I would have no problem shooting a home invader with any one of these

I understand not seeing the need from your perspective...now try it from mine.

Because I spent my childhood fat, smart, and sarcastic, I was on the receiving ends of a lot of abuse. Mostly mental, with some butt-kickings thrown in. Most weren't more than an arm-bar or a punch in the ample gut, but a few were extremely severe and caused real damage. These would happen at various points all over town, and at random times.

When I was in my late teens we started having things stolen from our porch, garage, and shed. I ended up interrupting one robbery at night when I came home. Had to use what was convenient at hand to hold the two intruders until the police arrived (fortunately that happened to be a combat ready katana, but that was just dumb luck that I didn't put it away after practice that day).

After the military I spent about a decade in security. Worked all different kinds: residential, commercial, industrial, hospital, etc. I was directly involved in probably close to a thousand conflicts, some armed, some unarmed, against all different types and numbers of aggressors. I also was wholly or partially responsible for somewhere between 20 and 50 people going to jail/prison. I moonlighted in fugitive retrieval (bounty hunting), and got many jumpers back where they belonged. I also assisted with various law enforcement functions, seeing more than my share of criminal misery.

I already told you about my house being robbed multiple times, and my friend Charla...but there have been many MANY others. Family and friends and coworkers; raped, robbed, assaulted, murdered, etc. I myself have had to draw outside of work (as I mentioned), and believe that the only reason I remain unharmed is that I was aware enough to be first with a weapon into play. Add to that my constant political involvment and campaigning (which requires extensive study and education on the issues).

Now given all that, do you see why I might want a gun on me 24/7? Even if you yourself have been fortunate enough to never experience the things I did, you may someday. If you do, you may find your opinons change. Or they may not. Regardless, do your feelings on the issue dictate what I should be allowed to do? I'm not angry with you, the antis have run a masterful propaganda campaign, and there are certain elements of truth within it. I don't expect or want people to become progun for themselves, I just want to be able to make up my own informed mind on the issue, and not be treated as a lesser being for doing so.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: LoKe
No one can say they could or couldn't unless they've been in such a position.

correct, but i'm going to try anyway.

If someone forcibly gained entrance into my abode, they would be dead.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Aimster
I would kill them without thinking

then Id probably spend 10 years in prision because of the asshole.

that's why you shoot to kill, you leave yourself open to lawsuits and such if you only injure

Is it legal to kill an intruder who is only armed with, say, a baseball bat or knife? What about an unarmed intruder who is only interested in stealing stuff and not hurting anyone? Are you justified in shooting and/or killing them?

 

[DainBramaged]

If I hadn't gotten rid of my gun, the answer would have been yes. As of right now, I'm prepared to beat someones brains to grey pulp with my baseball bat, but that is it.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Aimster
I would kill them without thinking

then Id probably spend 10 years in prision because of the asshole.

that's why you shoot to kill, you leave yourself open to lawsuits and such if you only injure

Is it legal to kill an intruder who is only armed with, say, a baseball bat or knife? What about an unarmed intruder who is only interested in stealing stuff and not hurting anyone? Are you justified in shooting and/or killing them?

Yes, a baseball bat or a knife is a deadly weapon. Even an unarmed intruder in your home poses a grave threat to your life and health. You can shoot either in your home. Outside your hope (carrying a weapon) I wouldn't shoot anyone that wasn't armed themselves (be it with a baseball bat, knife, or gun.)

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Aimster
I would kill them without thinking

then Id probably spend 10 years in prision because of the asshole.

that's why you shoot to kill, you leave yourself open to lawsuits and such if you only injure

Is it legal to kill an intruder who is only armed with, say, a baseball bat or knife? What about an unarmed intruder who is only interested in stealing stuff and not hurting anyone? Are you justified in shooting and/or killing them?

Laws vary widely from place to place, so you'll need to find out based on your area. That being said, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

 

[Pacfanweb]

Prince of Wands with the longest, most thorough smackdown/rebuttal, EVER.

And I am also impressed with Nebor, if that story is true.

As for the OP's question, if I feel that me or my family is in danger, I will shoot. All our bedrooms are upstairs. If someone breaks in after hearing 3 dogs bark, they can believe there's a 12-gauge, Excedrin headache #6 waiting at the top of the stairs.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Aimster
I would kill them without thinking

then Id probably spend 10 years in prision because of the asshole.

that's why you shoot to kill, you leave yourself open to lawsuits and such if you only injure

Is it legal to kill an intruder who is only armed with, say, a baseball bat or knife? What about an unarmed intruder who is only interested in stealing stuff and not hurting anyone? Are you justified in shooting and/or killing them?

Laws vary widely from place to place, so you'll need to find out based on your area. That being said, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

In Texas can't you shoot someone for merely tresspassing? :Q

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Taggart
In Texas can't you shoot someone for merely tresspassing? :Q

Yep. Texas is NOT the place to mess with other people's property.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Taggart
In Texas can't you shoot someone for merely tresspassing? :Q

Yep. Texas is NOT the place to mess with other people's property.

or florida...see the "Make my day" law passed recently.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Aimster
I would kill them without thinking

then Id probably spend 10 years in prision because of the asshole.

that's why you shoot to kill, you leave yourself open to lawsuits and such if you only injure

Is it legal to kill an intruder who is only armed with, say, a baseball bat or knife? What about an unarmed intruder who is only interested in stealing stuff and not hurting anyone? Are you justified in shooting and/or killing them?

Laws vary widely from place to place, so you'll need to find out based on your area. That being said, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

In Texas can't you shoot someone for merely tresspassing? :Q

Aren't there actually places where you will get PAID for shooting/killing an intruder? I recall someone telling me they saw signs posted in some yards in Texas saying "If you trespass on my property and I kill you, I get $10,000" or something to that effect.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Baked
BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

Yes, I will use excessive violence if you invade my crib. And I will shoot to kill.

Dude, that was pretty funny!

"I heard there's no spawn points in RL." LOL.

And yeah, I've gone through a few keyboards too. :|

As for home defense, I've always want to defend my home with a Samurai sword. You know, ninja style.