Are you over weight? Solution here.

[smackababy]

I know I was doing it wrong, that's kinda my point. I would try and eat less, but my real problem was that I was too inactive, sitting on the computer or watching movies and shows. And in those times I would get bored, and might grab a bite of something or whatever, sometimes without even realizing. You don't think about this stuff when you're overweight. But exercising takes you away from that. Unless you're doing laps in the kitchen, you're going to be at the gym or outside where there is no food within reach. So for me it worked a lot better.

I'm just saying that focusing on exercise first is the better/easier route for an overweight person to take (at least I certainly think so). Ideally you do both exercise and proper diet from the get go, but in an ideal world you would already be doing those things and not be overweight to begin with.

I am going to call BS. I sit around at the computer or on the couch for like 14 hours a day during the week (job + home), and only really go out during the weekends. Granted, I go to the gym every day, but I don't live the most active lifestyle. I don't sit around just consuming calories. Even if I am bored, I don't have to be stuffing things in my face.

 

[PenguinPower]

and this is just as false as other claims being made in this thread.

running 1 mile vs walking 1 mile vs jogging 1 mile all will have totally different calories burnt when it's all said and done.

oh, and your calculations are also WAY off in general right there.

Sorry...I assumed we were talking about walking since that's what the thread was about.

Running would be .63 x weight x distance.

Source

Ease up a bit, jackass.

Edit: Also note I said estimate.

 

[smackababy]

What about the speed at which that distance is covered?? Where is this .30 thing coming from?

If a man walks a mile in 10 mins, then runs the same mile again in 5 minutes, are you trying to tell me he burns the same amount of calories?

^that is actually what a lot of people believe. Because, the laws of physics say you are doing the same amount of work. And it is dead wrong. I've heard you burn around 5 calories for every liter of oxygen you consume. And that is why running burns more calories, you're consuming much more oxygen.

 

[PenguinPower]

What about the speed at which that distance is covered?? Where is this .30 thing coming from?

If a man walks a mile in 10 mins, then runs the same mile again in 5 minutes, are you trying to tell me he burns the same amount of calories?

Edit: N/m purebeast beat me to it. Shit, I just couldn't resist. Gotta remain strong and not try to lash out at all the poop being spewed forth by some folks in here. Pray for me while I try to just lurk.

See post above.

 

[Red Storm]

I am going to call BS. I sit around at the computer or on the couch for like 14 hours a day during the week (job + home), and only really go out during the weekends. Granted, I go to the gym every day, but I don't live the most active lifestyle. I don't sit around just consuming calories. Even if I am bored, I don't have to be stuffing things in my face.

Yep, going to the gym everyday had nothing to do with it. 😉

You're looking at this from the perspective of a non-overweight person, that's the issue. It's a different mentality when you are overweight.

 

[purbeast0]

I know I was doing it wrong, that's kinda my point. I would try and eat less, but my real problem was that I was too inactive, sitting on the computer or watching movies and shows. And in those times I would get bored, and might grab a bite of something or whatever, sometimes without even realizing. You don't think about this stuff when you're overweight. But exercising takes you away from that. Unless you're doing laps in the kitchen, you're going to be at the gym or outside where there is no food within reach. So for me it worked a lot better.

I'm just saying that focusing on exercise first is the better/easier route for an overweight person to take (at least I certainly think so). Ideally you do both exercise and proper diet from the get go, but in an ideal world you would already be doing those things and not be overweight to begin with.

you just demonstrated that you have no willpower when it comes to food, which the majority of fatasses don't have, which is why they are fat in the first place. most don't have the willpower to go to the gym either if they can't change the foods they eat. good job on your end if you could at least motivate yourself to do one over the other. many fatasses can't do either and will make up excuses of why they are so lazy and lack willpower and discipline.

99.999% of the problems with fatasses not being able to lose weight is the following:

 

[z1ggy]

See post above.

Sweet, thanks. Any way I can read the actual paper, or can you post the formula they use? I never trust the calorie burned display on treadmills.

 

[lyssword]

If someone invests in themselves by putting in time and effort (committing to a mile per day) they are more likely to establish the desire to protect their investment.
If you sit around all day and simply drink one less soda, you aren't investing anything. You think I am ignorant about caloric balance, but I am not.

I agree, moondog has solid advice in this thread. Walking is not only because it burns extra calories (during and like 6hrs after), but also increases your actual health beyond weight. And like he said, if you start losing a bit you'll want to protect your "investment"

 

[Golgatha]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=139320

For me a combination of lifting weights and cardio on alternating days worked. You absolutely must change your diet though if you want to lose weight. You need to eat less calories than you consume in a day and ideally you'll eat healthy foods. In general don't eat like an idiot and move more = healthy.

 

[Red Storm]

99.999% of the problems with fatasses not being able to lose weight is the following:

And there's no disagreement from me over that. But when you're exercising, that's time being spent not only on losing weight, but also on improved conditioning and getting in shape, and it's also taking time away from being around fatty foods and drinks. Compare this to just trying to eat less, you're still being inactive and in the same environment, so you just stress yourself trying to eat less.

It's easy to to say "Just eat less" but that if that were the case then nobody would ever be overweight. It's the inactive lifestyle that leads to overeating and weight gain.

 

[Childs]

Maybe some of the disconnect people are having is that by diet I don't think the "pro" dieters are necessarily talking about eating less or taking diet pills, just eating better. Calorie deficit may work for some, but it didn't for me because I was just hungry all the time. Instead of eating that rice or pasta, eat more protein and veggies. Switch from coke to diet coke or water. Its much easier to do than burning off calories via exercise, but its still going to take a conscience effort which ever way you go.

I tried hiking 7-10+ miles 3 times a week for probably 6 months. Weekdays 7 miles each, then on the weekend I'd go somewhere and climb a mountain, and it would be 10-15, depending if misread the map. While I felt a little stronger and improved my endurance I didn't lose any significant weight. Probably ate more to compensate for the energy expenditure.

 

[PenguinPower]

Sweet, thanks. Any way I can read the actual paper, or can you post the formula they use? I never trust the calorie burned display on treadmills.

If you want the exact formulas then use:

Running. V̇O2 (mL·kg-1·min-1) = 0.2 (m·s-1) + 0.9 (m·s-1) (fractional grade) + 3.5
Walking. V̇O2 (mL·kg-1·min-1) = 0.1 (m·s-1) + 1.8 (m·s-1) (fractional grade) + 3.5

Then convert VO2 to Joules at a rate of 20.1J to 1mL of oxygen consumed.


If you want the estimates adapted from the exact formulas then it's:


Running: Net calories burned = .63 x weight in lbs x distance in mi.
Walking: Net calories burned = .30 x weight in lbs x distance in mi.


Note these are net calories, and do not include the calories burned through the normal metabolic process. If you want gross calories burned change it to .75 and .53 respectively.

 

[purbeast0]

And there's no disagreement from me over that. But when you're exercising, that's time being spent not only on losing weight, but also on improved conditioning and getting in shape, and it's also taking time away from being around fatty foods and drinks. Compare this to just trying to eat less, you're still being inactive and in the same environment, so you just stress yourself trying to eat less.

It's easy to to say "Just eat less" but that if that were the case then nobody would ever be overweight. It's the inactive lifestyle that leads to overeating and weight gain.

that is just the case though - people simply are too lazy to do it and lack the willpower.

but i'm not disagreeing with you that being inactive leads to weight gain, because it does in the sense that you simply will burn less calories than you would if you were active. and being "active" doesn't mean you have to be "exercising". you can be out cutting the grass or doing yardwork. or cleaning around the house.

also, just because you spend 1hr (or whatever) at the gym, doesn't mean if you weren't at the gym you would be sitting in your kitchen looking at food being tempted to eat. and again, even if that is the case, actually eating and not being able to control yourself just means you have no discipline.

there is a reason its called "working" out, and eating "healthy" or a "diet" - because it isn't supposed to be easy and take no effort to do so. its not called eating "regular" because that would be easy. the problem is the fatties don't want to put any effort and want it to be easy to lose weight.

 

[purbeast0]

Maybe some of the disconnect people are having is that by diet I don't think the "pro" dieters are necessarily talking about eating less or taking diet pills, just eating better. Calorie deficit may work for some, but it didn't for me because I was just hungry all the time. Instead of eating that rice or pasta, eat more protein and veggies. Switch from coke to diet coke or water. Its much easier to do than burning off calories via exercise, but its still going to take a conscience effort which ever way you go.

I tried hiking 7-10+ miles 3 times a week for probably 6 months. Weekdays 7 miles each, then on the weekend I'd go somewhere and climb a mountain, and it would be 10-15, depending if misread the map. While I felt a little stronger and improved my endurance I didn't lose any significant weight. Probably ate more to compensate for the energy expenditure.

how can you say it didn't work for you when you flat out say you ate more to compensate for more energy?

 

[lyssword]

They say (I seen some science study) for fatasses its almost as good to walk as it is to run, because they require so much energy to move, until they get in much much better shape and lower weight

 

[squarecut1]

99.999% of the problems with fatasses not being able to lose weight is the following:

Yes there is a lot of that but let's not be so judgemental and generalize saying 99.99 percent. Many people have long work hours, commute, family and kids and so on. The modern society we live in, where so many just don't have time

 

[purbeast0]

Yes there is a lot of that but let's not be so judgemental and generalize saying 99.99 percent. Many people have long work hours, commute, family and kids and so on. The modern society we live in, where so many just don't have time

there is time, they just want to make excuses (as you have just done) as to why they don't.

the .01% was left for the people who have medical conditions as to why they are overweight.

EDIT:

and what does any of the excuses you mentioned have to do with eating healthy?

 

[z1ggy]

If you want the exact formulas then use:

Running. V̇O2 (mL·kg-1·min-1) = 0.2 (m·s-1) + 0.9 (m·s-1) (fractional grade) + 3.5
Walking. V̇O2 (mL·kg-1·min-1) = 0.1 (m·s-1) + 1.8 (m·s-1) (fractional grade) + 3.5

Then convert VO2 to Joules at a rate of 20.1J to 1mL of oxygen consumed.


If you want the estimates adapted from the exact formulas then it's:


Running: Net calories burned = .63 x weight in lbs x distance in mi.
Walking: Net calories burned = .30 x weight in lbs x distance in mi.


Note these are net calories, and do not include the calories burned through the normal metabolic process. If you want gross calories burned change it to .75 and .53 respectively.

Thank you... But where in there do I input my speed? The general equation you list in the bottom is just a unitless constant times my variable inputs. What if I "run" one day at 6mph, then the next day 7mph?

 

[moonbogg]

lol @ all the math and charts. This isn't complicated.

Today after work, I will jog a mile, lunge a whole lap, jog it off and go home, shower and head out for the evening. I don't give a shit about the two cookies I just ate with my lunch. They were delicious and I will eat more. FUCK ALL.

 

[z1ggy]

lol @ all the math and charts. This isn't complicated.

You're right. Let me recap your OP.

FUCK DIET!!!!

Walk a mile.

Hm... That is simple! How much weight will I lose if I walk a mile to the 7-11, buy 5 twinkies and eat them on the mile walk back home. I'm guessing double mega awesome weight by walking two miles, instead of just one???!

 

[Childs]

how can you say it didn't work for you when you flat out say you ate more to compensate for more energy?

I said I probably ate more. I didn't conscientiously modify my diet, I figured the hiking itself would be enough to lose weight, but it didn't. That was some serious exercise which should have been enough to burn lots of fat. Since it didn't I assume I must have ate more during the same time period to compensate for all the exercise. In any case, it wasn't just as simple as exercise more. At least for me.

Plus, the first bold I was just talking about trying to eat less. Second bold refers to exercise only.

 

[PenguinPower]

Thank you... But where in there do I input my speed? The general equation you list in the bottom is just a unitless constant times my variable inputs. What if I "run" one day at 6mph, then the next day 7mph?

You'll have to use the exact equation and convert your speed to meters per second.

The general equations don't factor in speed because they are an adapted estimate. The difference would only be able 40 calories an hour between 6 and 7mph.

 

[dighn]

diet control is critical to successful weight loss unless you are working out like an olympian. is it that hard to eat less? just fight the hunger, and soon you won't even want to eat that much. this is coming from someone who absolutely loves delicious food.

 

[z1ggy]

You'll have to use the exact equation and convert your speed to meters per second.

The general equations don't factor in speed because they are an adapted estimate. The difference would only be able 40 calories an hour between 6 and 7mph.

Yeah I didn't think it would be a huge difference, but a small one none the less. Thanks, I'm going to use this next time I use a treadmill then compare it to what the device says. I've always been curious to their accuracy.

 

[NoTine42]

Maybe some of the disconnect people are having is that by diet I don't think the "pro" dieters are necessarily talking about eating less or taking diet pills, just eating better. Calorie deficit may work for some, but it didn't for me because I was just hungry all the time. Instead of eating that rice or pasta, eat more protein and veggies. Switch from coke to diet coke or water. Its much easier to do than burning off calories via exercise, but its still going to take a conscience effort which ever way you go.

I tried hiking 7-10+ miles 3 times a week for probably 6 months. Weekdays 7 miles each, then on the weekend I'd go somewhere and climb a mountain, and it would be 10-15, depending if misread the map. While I felt a little stronger and improved my endurance I didn't lose any significant weight. Probably ate more to compensate for the energy expenditure.

I do think the protein is more helpful in losing weight than just a calorie reduction. Protein generally helps you feel full longer than empty carbs, and a regular flow of protein seems to help burning fat. While I think full Atkins is stupid, it does seem easier to loose weight if you concentrate on protein and/or vegetables and avoid all empty carbs.