Are you buying a GTX 1070/1080?

[PSUPef2k]

It's nice to reminisce, but those were the days of cheap and frequent node changes. Also, the introduction of unified shaders was, much like Ron Burgundy, "sort of a big deal."

The economic reality suggests that selling chips sized at or north of 300mm2 (at least early in the process cycle) at the margins that the stockholders of these companies demand requires retail prices north of $300. The speculation around Polaris 10 supports this -- 230mm2 chip for $300 or less.

I think the 1070 pricing foreshadows the performance and pricing of Polaris 10 . Assuming Nvidia has a general idea where Polaris 10 is going to wind up (seems pretty likely to me), the pricing of the 1070 indicates that Polaris 10 will not compete in 1070's performance range, but it will be close enough that Nvidia has to price the 1070 ($380) much lower than 1080.

TL-DR - This s**t is more expensive to make than it was in 2006.

That being said, unless the 1070 really sucks, I'll probably get one to replace my 970. I always want to get the x80, but I can never justify the ridiculous price premium.

Seeing as you are a fellow i5 2500k owner, is the 2500k going to be a bottleneck to this card?

I have the same ram as you also, 8gb corsair vengeance. I was thinking of getting a 1070, and upgrading my SSD from a crucial M4 to an 850 Pro, maybe adding another 8GB of RAM. Worth it?

I'm also due for a monitor upgrade from my 24"ultrasharp 2405FPw to really justify upgrading my card.

 

[Lepton87]

Founder's edition turns out to be about 10% faster than best aftermarket 980Ti cards and it doesn't overclock well.

overclocking is also similar and people actually sold such 980tis. 300$ more for 12%. Way to go!

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_Matrix/26.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/30.html

What a great leap in overclocked performance!

 

[sirmo]

My 4770k and gtx 980 rig has been giving me issues. Random crashes and weird on board audio problems. Looks like a faulty motherboard. They don't happen often enough to warrant replacement but it's still annoying when it happens. 980 has been a good card, but it's limited due to lack of Freesync. And I am not buying into the proprietary ecosystem with g-sync. And I would like to experience this adaptive sync everyone is raving about.

Definitely going the AMD route with Polaris x2 or Vega and depending on how Zen pans out, might even ditch Intel on the CPU. I run a lot of VMs, FPGA routing and bitstream compilation, I could definitely use 8 cores.

Your turn AMD.

 

[Lepton87]

How is that 1070 going to match 980Ti when 1080 is only 10-15% faster after OC?

 

[crisium]

How is that 1070 going to match 980Ti when 1080 is only 10-15% faster after OC?

Nvidia, and reviewers doing us a disservice, will compare 1070 stock to 980 Ti reference stock and it should match or perhaps slightly even favor the 1070. Of course, the 980 Ti has more OC headroom so it will be the faster card for actual consumers. Even factory OC after market 980 Tis, which still have room to go on OC, will handily beat the 1070 stock and even edge out the max OC 1070 as well based on what we see with the 1080.

 

[moonbogg]

overclocking is also similar and people actually sold such 980tis. 300$ more for 12%. Way to go!

Made me LOL. In all honesty though, it will be more than that right? It should be like 20% or a little more I thought. Still though, kinda sour IMO.

 

[tential]

The reason you sell the 980Ti for the 1070 is it's going to be the same performance. Even if the 980Ti is SLIGHTLY faster (Which I DOUBT), wait til we get to gameworks games. Wait til games are developed on PASCAL and not on Maxwell.

Devs almost always prioritize the latest Nvidia platform first, far more than anything else out there, and with the added features that Nvidia provides that also rely on this, it makes sense to hold the latest NV card. Selling a GTX 980Ti for $450 to pick up a $450 1070 just to pick up the architectual, Wattage, etc. gains is DEFINITELY worth it.

If I knew for sure P10 would release at $200 for R9 290 performance I would sell my R9 290 and replace it with P10.

 

[x3sphere]

The reason you sell the 980Ti for the 1070 is it's going to be the same performance. Even if the 980Ti is SLIGHTLY faster (Which I DOUBT), wait til we get to gameworks games. Wait til games are developed on PASCAL and not on Maxwell.

Devs almost always prioritize the latest Nvidia platform first, far more than anything else out there, and with the added features that Nvidia provides that also rely on this, it makes sense to hold the latest NV card. Selling a GTX 980Ti for $450 to pick up a $450 1070 just to pick up the architectual, Wattage, etc. gains is DEFINITELY worth it.

If I knew for sure P10 would release at $200 for R9 290 performance I would sell my R9 290 and replace it with P10.

Meh, not worth it to me. If I'm going to bother swapping out my card and selling it, has to be an actual upgrade. The 1080 isn't looking so appealing to me right now so I will probably wait for Vega or Big Pascal.

 

[Lepton87]

Made me LOL. In all honesty though, it will be more than that right? It should be like 20% or a little more I thought. Still though, kinda sour IMO.

no, it is not. I posted a direct comparison. 137.7fps vs 154fps
ps. I already bought a cheap 980Ti Matrix I need a card to tide me over until high-end cards arrive.

The reason you sell the 980Ti for the 1070 is it's going to be the same performance. Even if the 980Ti is SLIGHTLY faster (Which I DOUBT), wait til we get to gameworks games. Wait til games are developed on PASCAL and not on Maxwell.

yeah, same performance. An overclocked 980Ti is just 12% slower than an overclocked 1080. Go figure. And this is not a new architecture it is same old maxwell with few improvements. Put in another way, do you think that an overclocked 1070 will match the stock 1080? An overclocked 980ti does.

 

[MagickMan]

The reason you sell the 980Ti for the 1070 is it's going to be the same performance.

You don't, unless you like throwing $ away.

 

[AnandThenMan]

The reason you sell the 980Ti for the 1070 is it's going to be the same performance. Even if the 980Ti is SLIGHTLY faster (Which I DOUBT), wait til we get to gameworks games. Wait til games are developed on PASCAL and not on Maxwell.

The architectural differences don't appear to be near enough for it to matter much. The only way I can see this happening is if game engines intentionally cripple Maxwell.

 

[Bacon1]

The architectural differences don't appear to be near enough for it to matter much. The only way I can see this happening is if game engines intentionally cripple Maxwell.

Yeah that was the 2nd half of his post. He is saying you want to keep the latest Nvidia because they stop optimizing for their older cards to make the newer ones look better to drive more sales.

 

[Lepton87]

The architectural differences don't appear to be near enough for it to matter much. The only way I can see this happening is if game engines intentionally cripple Maxwell.

I would sooner suspect drivers than game engines. NV has to march on with its planned obsolescence. If I didn't intend to buy a high-end 16/14nm card I would be wary of buying maxwell even if the architecture is largely the same. I wish there were some heavily discounted fury cards but oh well...
ps. is there even any way to cripple maxwell without crippling pascal in a game engine? I don't see any strong points of pascal compared to maxwell, DX12 is still sub-par.

 

[MagickMan]

Yeah that was the 2nd half of his post. He is saying you want to keep the latest Nvidia because they stop optimizing for their older cards to make the newer ones look better to drive more sales.

That won't really matter until the 1080Ti comes out, it takes a while for that lead to extend out. Also, it's not like there isn't a vibrant 3rd party driver dev community. :sneaky:

 

[tential]

The architectural differences don't appear to be near enough for it to matter much. The only way I can see this happening is if game engines intentionally cripple Maxwell.

New Gameworks features will be based on things Pascal can do but Maxwell cannot. Plain and simple. Nvidia will obviously reward their latest gen gamers just like they did in the past.

 

[FFFF]

After seeing early benchmarks I'm definitely going for duo GTX 1080 which should be enough for 2k 144Hz until Volta is here as I don't think even 1080Ti will be enough for my future 4k 120Hz display. Of course I'm not that impatient to not wait for the aftermarket cards which will no doubt overclock much better than the Founders Edition version, my 970 SLI should do fine until then.

What do you think guys, solid plan ain't it?

 

[DooKey]

You don't, unless you like throwing $ away.

Nope, if the reviews show the 1070 is equal to the Ti when both are overclocked then it makes perfect sense to sell the Ti while it's still worth $400 and grab the 1070.

Same speed
Newer tech
More RAM

win, win, win

 

[Lepton87]

New Gameworks features will be based on things Pascal can do but Maxwell cannot. Plain and simple. Nvidia will obviously reward their latest gen gamers just like they did in the past.

And what is that aside from some VR specific things most people don't care about? The depth of architectural changes seems similar to GF100 to GF110 transition.

Nope, if the reviews show the 1070 is equal to the Ti when both are overclocked then it makes perfect sense to sell the Ti while it's still worth $400 and grab the 1070.

Same speed
Newer tech
More RAM

win, win, win

How can the 1070 be just under 15% slower then the 1080? It just doesn't jive with the specs.

 

[MagickMan]

Nope, if the reviews show the 1070 is equal to the Ti ...

They won't, NV's claims are marketing spin.

 

[tential]

And what is that aside from some VR specific things most people don't care about?

Game works isn't set in stone. You have no idea what pascal exclusive goodies will come over the next year.

 

[Lepton87]

Game works isn't set in stone. You have no idea what pascal exclusive goodies will come over the next year.

Yes I don't that's why I asked because so far I haven't read anything indicating any significant architectural change. Unless they will just lock out maxwell purposely I can't see that happening. Remember Maxwell 1.0 in 750TI? The changes made to maxwell 2.0 from it are much more significant then maxwell 2.0 to pascal.

 

[Grooveriding]

Based on the performance of 1080 vs 980ti, and how much the 1070 is cut down, it is a good bet that it will be slower than an aftermarket 980ti. Maxwell driver neglect will push the 1070 ahead though. But at launch, it will be equal best case given we see a 1.5ghz 980ti sitting alongside a stock 1080.

Buying fresh I wouldn't get a 980ti over a 1070, but swapping from a 980ti to a 1070 would be foolish.

 

[DooKey]

Based on the performance of 1080 vs 980ti, and how much the 1070 is cut down, it is a good bet that it will be slower than an aftermarket 980ti. Maxwell driver neglect will push the 1070 ahead though. But at launch, it will be equal best case given we see a 1.5ghz 980ti sitting alongside a stock 1080.

Buying fresh I wouldn't get a 980ti over a 1070, but swapping from a 980ti to a 1070 would be foolish.

I like to roll the dice, but you might be right. However, I'm not going to get a 1070 so I'm comfortable with my Titan X to 1080 upgrade (got $750 for my X) and then I'll be comfortable with my 1080 to 1080 Ti upgrade.

 

[FFFF]

Based on the performance of 1080 vs 980ti, and how much the 1070 is cut down, it is a good bet that it will be slower than an aftermarket 980ti. Maxwell driver neglect will push the 1070 ahead though. But at launch, it will be equal best case given we see a 1.5ghz 980ti sitting alongside a stock 1080.

Buying fresh I wouldn't get a 980ti over a 1070, but swapping from a 980ti to a 1070 would be foolish.

I don't think Nvidia ever claimed 1070 will beat 980TI with OCed clocks, only reference. So don't lead yourselfs into disappointment by expecting that much.

 

[Zstream]

I can't believe people have that much disposable income. That just is mind-boggling to me.