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Svnla

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The 'peasants' are doing the work you won't do.

The biggest problem with our country is dumb people going to college and acquiring jobs where there their [lack of] intelligence does damage. More of them should be toiling in the fields.

Or maybe you think we should have just left that to slavery, right? No one was against black people when they were allowed to own them like pets.

I have no problem with guests and working visas for hard working folks. In case you forget, all sovereign nations on Earth have borders and immigration laws, not just the US.

I have very big problems with hordes and hordes of ILLEGALS that do not want to follow the law, have the nerve to break our law, sneak in here and now are demanding to give a break or two. Why those ILLEGALS are allowed to break immigration law while million and million of others are waiting for years to get in the LEGAL way? I said it before and I will say it again. Give me one, just one name, a sovereign nation that you can sneak in and then demand to have all the rights and privileges as LEGALS.

One more thing, did we try "comprehension immigration reform" aka amnesty for million and million of ILLEGALS before? Yes we did in the mid 80s IIRC. How was it? So now we are going to try it again and it may have different result?

Left that to slavery? You said that, not me. See my response to norseamd above about slavery.
 
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norseamd

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a lot more complex than that

northern europeans and native americans are related

a generalization would be that native americans are a mixture of west eurasian males and east eurasian females

also the population of the northeast asia that did not cross over to beringia is possibly believed to have migrated to northern europe

so mesolithic hunter gatherers of europe would be the related population. scandanavians and baltics and other north eastern europeans are the europeans with the most remaining mesolithic hunter gatherer genetics.

some of these mesolithic hunter gatheres may have started fishing and or pastorilism. the ayrans would be possible neolithic descendents of mesolithic hunter gatherers.

most of western and southern europe are descended from farmers who migrated from the middle east. they tend to have a slight frame.

you can read more about this from dienekes or razib

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/

http://www.unz.com/gnxp/
 

Fenixgoon

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just wondering, cuz I don't have one.

(not in P&N because I don't have any additional commentary)

1) i'm not against LEGAL immigration

2) there is a reason people have wars. one side has something the other wants. europeans and early US fought the native americans and won the land. pretty simple.
 

norseamd

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2) there is a reason people have wars. one side has something the other wants. europeans and early US fought the native americans and won the land. pretty simple.

and so again a lot more complicated than that

lots of broken treaties

mexicans want to live here

so maybe then they will just fight us and take what they want
 

phucheneh

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I have no problem with guests and working visas for hard working folks. In case you forget, all sovereign nations on Earth have borders and immigration laws, not just the US.

I have very big problems with hordes and hordes of ILLEGALS that do not want to follow the law, have the nerve to break our law, sneak in here and now are demanding to give a break or two. Why those ILLEGALS are allowed to break immigration law while million and million of others are waiting for years to get in the LEGAL way? I said it before and I will say it again. Give me one, just one name, a sovereign nation that you can sneak in and then demand to have all the rights and privileges as LEGALS.

Exactly what breaks do we give them, again? Other than the whole 'not deporting' angle? You just sound like a broken recording of Rush Limbaugh.

It seems fairly obvious to me that when you avoid that kind of knee-jerk reaction and really think about it...uh, they don't have all the 'rights and privaledges' of everyone else. In fact, they're actually much more open to exploitation and abuse.

I wonder how many of the people who employ masses of illegal immigrants to do back-breaking labor for slave wages are themselves illegal? I'm gonna bet on 'none.' The are probably very proud flag-wavers, in fact. Therefore, all US-born people must be filthy evil bastards.

...see how that type of sweeping generalization makes no sense?
 

Svnla

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Exactly what breaks do we give them, again? Other than the whole 'not deporting' angle? You just sound like a broken recording of Rush Limbaugh.

It seems fairly obvious to me that when you avoid that kind of knee-jerk reaction and really think about it...uh, they don't have all the 'rights and privaledges' of everyone else. In fact, they're actually much more open to exploitation and abuse.

I wonder how many of the people who employ masses of illegal immigrants to do back-breaking labor for slave wages are themselves illegal? I'm gonna bet on 'none.' The are probably very proud flag-wavers, in fact. Therefore, all US-born people must be filthy evil bastards.

...see how that type of sweeping generalization makes no sense?

Do you really have to ask what break? They demand, not ask, for special breaks from persecution SOLELY because of their ILLEGAL activities of sneaking in and staying in the US. They demand to be first in line while million and million of other LEGAL immigrants are waiting for years to get in. Why the heck we even bother to have immigration law if we are not going to enforce it or selective enforce it on only a few groups? They received a huge break in 1986 (massive amnesty for million of ILLEGALS), you don't remember that or you are too young?

Still no answer about one country on Earth that I asked earlier? Yup, still nothing. :biggrin: So they (ILLEGALS) are hard working, so what? LEGAL immigrants work as hard if not harder and they (LEGALS) are much more valuable because they can speak English, have money/skill/education/etc. I provided several well know LEGALS immigrants from my previous post that help the US economy tremendously. Care to name a few names of ILLEGALS that contribute as much?

One more thing, I do not watch Rush or care for him. I only care about the Constitution and immigration law and equal enforcement of said immigration law on everyone, not just the ones that are the loudest.
 
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Markbnj

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not against immigration

also my ancestors were here before any other europeans

Yes, but when they got here they drank 100 gallons of mead in celebration, some guy named Leif insulted some other guy named Bjorn, something to do with who had the most arm rings, and then they slaughtered each other. Doesn't count.

On a more serious note: I think these historical wrongs should be righted. And since it seems fair to redress them in the order they occurred, we can proceed from west to east. First, all the Asians and Hispanics leave the U.S. and go back to their respective countries. Hispanics, don't unpack, though. We'll be back to you shortly. Now the Africans must go back to Africa. That done the northern and central Europeans will all pack up and go back to their respective countries. Lastly the Spanish and Portugese must clear out of the southwestern U.S., Mexico, central and south America. And finally we have undone European immigration. The displaced native Americans may spread back out across the U.S. It's yours, but of course, you all displaced each other over and over for a thousand years, so you'll have to work out among yourselves who gets the best spots.

Ok, England is going to be a mess. I'm almost tempted to leave these wrongs unrighted. Only reasonable way to do it is draw some lines. All of you in the northwest of the country go to Ireland. Don't unpack, etc., etc. All of you in the south with dark skin, go to Spain. It goes without saying that most of you should also not unpack, and may want to purchase sunscreen. The folks on the east coast: if you're in the northeast go to Denmark. If you're in the southeast go to Germany. The people in Ireland with fair hair should now also go to Denmark, Finland, and Sweden. Those of you who are left are Celts. You can have both islands. As far as we know you didn't displace anyone.

Europe... damn. Ok, we have to take this in order. If you're northern European, and _do not_ have red hair or many freckles, you're going further north. If you are living in central Europe and have swarthy features, you get to draw lots: half of you go to Turkey and points south and east; the other half get to be Mongols and Huns, you go east. Now this will sound strange, but if you live in northern Spain, southern France, Switzerland, northern Italy, good chance you're Goths. Go east until you get to the Black Sea, then tramp north to Sweden. Italy... everyone south of Rome draw lots: half to northern Africa, half to Greece and the Adriatic and Aegean nations. Lastly, southern Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Sardinia, Crete, etc., put on that sunscreen and go across the med to northern Africa.

Now, despite there obviously being grave moral issues that remain unaddressed, I'm not sure how much further we can go with any confidence. I'm not touching the rest of Africa with a ten-foot pole, and good luck sorting out the migratory effects of the empires of the Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Minoans, Myceneans, Mesopotamians, etc. Eventually everyone has to end up back in south central Africa, or there will still be evil in our past.
 
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brianmanahan

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my response to this picture:

once you take over a country, you get to make the rules

it has always been like this from the beginning of time. america is no different.
 

norseamd

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Yes, but when they got here they drank 100 gallons of mead in celebration, some guy named Lief insulted some other guy named Bjorn, something to do with who had the most arm rings, and then they slaughtered each other. Doesn't count.

a battle was started over some arguement over hay in the middle east involving the varangian guard

true story

anyways it was not actually amerindians who fought the norse in north america but inuit
 

BoberFett

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If we dismantle the welfare state entirely, then I'll be for unfettered immigration.

200 years ago, you didn't come to America and get food stamps and section 8 housing. You farmed the land or you died.

If you want to go back to that, I'm all for it.
 

MongGrel

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just wondering, cuz I don't have one.

(not in P&N because I don't have any additional commentary)

Still belongs in P&N.
-ViRGE
I'm a small bit Lenape myself and I doubt you're any Native American.

GO AWAY TROLL.

The whole country is immigrants, they out to legalize everyone here, sort out the problems with healthcare with everyone to get the drain over and various tings and start sending the overpaid over equipped cops out of the donut shops and bust the guys that are gang members instead of people that immigrated here just trying to make a living and get ahead.
 
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compuwiz1

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I'm a small bit Lenape myself and I doubt you're any Native American.

GO AWAY TROLL.

The whole country is immigrants, they out to legalize everyone here, sort out the problems with healthcare with everyone to get the drain over and various tings and start sending the overpaid over equipped cops out of the donut shops and bust the guys that are gang members instead of people that immigrated here just trying to make a living and get ahead.


Do you not understand the difference between Legal and Illegal? We are a country of laws. We are tax payers. We do not pay our taxes to fund people who come into our country illegally, create babies, then live on government assistance. If you think it should be just a free for all at the tax payer expense, you can go fuck yourself.

I am not married to a whitey....she is an immigrant, who went through the proper process, waited her turn in line and eventually became a naturalized citizen. We then helped her mother, who also waited her turn, to come here to America. We've also helped her youngest daughter and her kids come here legally. They all went through the proper channels and they all have worked to pay their own way. I am not against immigration. I am against millions of people illegally immigrating into this country, then expecting that we support their multiplication endeavors. That is truly fucked up and those who support it are equally fucked up and should be bounced out of here on their asses. Seems many liberals think this is just fine and dandy. Maybe that's why I find most liberals so repulsive.
 

norseamd

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how about we give the rest of the black indians their rightful tribal status?

any dissenters?
 
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What that image says to me; if you don't control your immigration, the immigrants who come here will kill you and force your ancestors to live in Oklahoma. No thanks.
 
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The founding fathers of the USA wanted a "White only" immigration policy. Does anyone think the quality of life in lets say Detroit is better than Washington state?
 

norseamd

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The founding fathers of the USA wanted a "White only" immigration policy. Does anyone think the quality of life in lets say Detroit is better than Washington state?

lost respect for benjamin franklin the moment he said that we should restrict immigration from most of germany, scandanavia, southern europe, and eastern europe because they were too swarthy.

bastard
 

davmat787

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mexicans will eventually adjust the racial percentage of the population more equally towards indiginous. on average mexicans are like 50%.

so maybe 25% or more

what tribes do you have ancestors from?

We can always hope something will be done to secure the border. Right now, our immigration policy is basically Russian roulette trying to survive the senora or whatever crossing you choose.

Said this many times before, we need to overhaul our immigration policy so that it supports an influx of smart and successful people of many different backgrounds.

11 million field workers and shitty home builders was not the idea I assume. And we need to make it quicker too.
 

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i'd cream my pants if the US was invaded by a foreign country.

Like it's not already ?


my response to this picture:

once you take over a country, you get to make the rules

it has always been like this from the beginning of time. america is no different.

the difference is morality, that's what makes human human, a higher intelligence life form.

Still there is little morality on this planet at present time.

some posters of this thread show signs of primitive thinking, using only the most basic area of the brain (trigger-response).
 
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davmat787

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The founding fathers of the USA wanted a "White only" immigration policy. Does anyone think the quality of life in lets say Detroit is better than Washington state?

It's not the color of the immigrant, but the quality. I know many progressives fear they might appear xenophobic to do anything to stem the millions of poor coming across, and then sending that money right back.

So no, not a "white only" policy, but not a "Mexican policy" either. What is the difference between the two really? Doesn't anyone want some diversity in their yearly immigration classes?
 

Zaap

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I wonder how many of the people who employ masses of illegal immigrants to do back-breaking labor for slave wages are themselves illegal? I'm gonna bet on 'none.'

It's telling how you identify it for what it is: a slave trade exploiting illegal labor for substandard wages and working conditions- yet you turn around and try to blast others for that not being something legal citizens would do themsleves. Even weirder, you're the one ALL FOR the slave trade, even slamming your fist on the table demanding it, while you try and cast everyone against it as racist.

You pro-illegal people are fucking weird.
 

IGBT

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the era of the "unsettled continent" is long over. It's not 1810 any more. The US population is at saturation level. The US needs immigration policies that reflect today's realities not the conditions of 1810. If prudent conservation of resources including water is desired.. the US can no longer tolerate existing 1810 immigration policies of the "un settled continent".
 

nehalem256

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just wondering, cuz I don't have one.

(not in P&N because I don't have any additional commentary)

Still belongs in P&N.
-ViRGE

(1) We bought America fair and square for $20 in beads :colbert:

(2) How is pointing to how "well" immigration worked out for Native Americans an argument in favor of allowing immigration. Seems like we should learn from what happened to NA and disallow immigration doesn't it?