Are you afraid of Iraq?

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
no. screw him.

 

[Zipp]

The problem is "in my opinion" is that to many people are looking at the short term scenario instead of the longer term. If Saddam is left in place,At some point he's going to be so sick of being boxed in that's he going to make a move on the US by either collaborating with al Qaeda on a terrorist attack or just having some of his people who are here now do it themselves. He's isn't making and holding on to these WMD for fun.

And maybe 2,3 or 5 years from now he very well could get his hands on the big one(Nuke) and then we are going to be in the same situation we are in right now with N. Korea.....Saddam and nukes equals some bad shite....He just shouldn't be disarmed...He must be removed....Open your eyes people!

Also,nevermind Saddam...his son is even worst and he'll be taking over the thrown when Saddams dies.
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For some reason though.....I think if Al Gore was the president right now and threatened war on Iraq if Saddam didn't disarm(like the way GW is doing),I think alot of you who disagree with GW would be backing ALGore and saying that he's doing the right thing.....And you know what,I would be backing him as well.

There just seems to be a hatred for GW Bush for some reason and I don't know why. Maybe it's because he comes across to strong but after 9/11,you have to realize that the rules have changed...You have to look at the big picture.

 

[Insane3D]

You make some good points, however, I think the "big picture" is seen differently by different people. I don't think many people will argue Saddam is not a nice guy, and could very well be dangerous.

As for why people have a problem with Bush, it could be one of several things. First of all, this Texas mentality he brings to our foreign policy is not exactly condusive to forging alliances or rallying the support of our allies. When he get's on TV and makes statements like "You are either with us or against us" and threatens the UN that they can either agree with us or become irrelevant, that puts people on the defensive right off the bat.

Another thing that might turn people off is the religous overtones that follow a lot of Bush's speech's and actions. Sometimes it seems that he perceives what he is doing as all being part of God's plan...that scares a lot of people who might not have the same belief system he does. I don't think many will argue this is the most religous administration in recent history.

Just my .02.

 

[NokiaDude]

After just seeing Black Hawk Down am am very afraid of Iraq, such savages they are!!!

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: Zipp
The problem is "in my opinion" is that to many people are looking at the short term scenario instead of the longer term. If Saddam is left in place,At some point he's going to be so sick of being boxed in that's he going to make a move on the US by either collaborating with al Qaeda on a terrorist attack or just having some of his people who are here now do it themselves. He's isn't making and holding on to these WMD for fun.

And maybe 2,3 or 5 years from now he very well could get his hands on the big one(Nuke) and then we are going to be in the same situation we are in right now with N. Korea.....Saddam and nukes equals some bad shite....He just shouldn't be disarmed...He must be removed....Open your eyes people!

Also,nevermind Saddam...his son is even worst and he'll be taking over the thrown when Saddams dies.
.
For some reason though.....I think if Al Gore was the president right now and threatened war on Iraq if Saddam didn't disarm(like the way GW is doing),I think alot of you who disagree with GW would be backing ALGore and saying that he's doing the right thing.....And you know what,I would be backing him as well.

There just seems to be a hatred for GW Bush for some reason and I don't why. Maybe it's because he comes across to strong but after 9/11,you have to realize that the rules have changed...You have to look at the big picture.

Excellent post.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
No. My Iraqi neighbor is looking forward to Saddam being removed,and prays he can again visit his family who is held hostage by Saddam's regime. However, he despises George Bush for pushing for war thatwill jeopordize his family. Catch 22, eh?

Gee. what does your neighbor want to happen instead? Wait around another 20 years or so and then when Saddam dies hope that another maniac dictator doesn't take his place so that then he might finally be able to go visit his family?

Think of a coup, or surgical removal of this cancer called Saddam. He feels the US should have the military expertise to do that. Now he is not so sure.

Neither am I.

And that is exactly what I don't like about Bush' warmongering. Doesn't the US have the best special forces and secret service around, with the highest budget and the best equipment? Then why is a full scale war needed to remove Saddam?

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: NokiaDude
After just seeing Black Hawk Down am am very afraid of Iraq, such savages they are!!!

We're talking about 2 different countries NokiaDude.

Zakath15, I agree 100% w/ Insane3D's post:

No....and I'm still not. If you live your life in fear, you let them win. I personally would have flown on Sept. 12th if it was possible. I could be killed in a attack tomorrow, or I could get hit by a bus, or nothing could happen. I figure I might as well live my life to the fullest and take what comes.

 

[ScottyB]

I am ((9999999999^(99999999999999999999^99999999999999999999999999999)) * (9999999999^(99999999999999999999^99999999999999999999999999999))) times more afraid of what Bush and his cronies will do to the American people and our way of living than I am afraid of what Saddam will do to us or any of his surrounding nations.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Before 9/11 you weren't afraid of terrorists hopping in planes and aiming for buildings were you?

No....and I'm still not. If you live your life in fear, you let them win. I personally would have flown on Sept. 12th if it was possible. I could be killed in a attack tomorrow, or I could get hit by a bus, or nothing could happen. I figure I might as well live my life to the fullest and take what comes.

What I mean was, before that day, you would have never even stopped tot hink that it could happen. Now, its a different story. Saddam Funded the Terrorists, theres no doubt about it, the old 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' statement holds true there.

Now, I dont care who you are, you will think about it before you step into a building the size of the WTC towers if you dont go in there that often, just like you would think about highjackers/etc when you are on a plane.

 

[Zipp]

And that is exactly what I don't like about Bush' warmongering. Doesn't the US have the best special forces and secret service around, with the highest budget and the best equipment? Then why is a full scale war needed to remove Saddam?

From what I understand Skyclad1uhm1,Saddam has one of the best security forces around him in the world and he's untouchable as far as assasination goes . The only way I think he can be removed is an all out invasion and hope like hell that he doesn't get away. I know it won't be pretty and people will die but I really think this has to be done.

 

[Insane3D]

Saddam Funded the Terrorists

Oh did he now? Only funding I have heard of him participating in is to the families of Palastinian suicide bombers. He had nothing to do with 9/11 and if you just believe he did because the President says so, then that is your choice.

And yes, of course I might think about it if I was on a plane or in a tall building, but the fact is, the chance of that happening to me is so remote it is not worth wasting my time being worried about. Did I expect planes to fly into a high rise before 9/11? Of course not. Do I expect it to happen again in my lifetime? Nope. Could it happen again? Maybe. Will I spend a second worrying about it? No.

 

[Insane3D]

From what I understand Skyclad1uhm1,Saddam has one of the best security forces around him in the world and he's untouchable as far as assasination goes .

From what I understand, that supposedly is not an option as I believe the US considers officially sanctioned assination illegal.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: NokiaDude
After just seeing Black Hawk Down am am very afraid of Iraq, such savages they are!!!

We're talking about 2 different countries NokiaDude.

Zakath15, I agree 100% w/ Insane3D's post:

No....and I'm still not. If you live your life in fear, you let them win. I personally would have flown on Sept. 12th if it was possible. I could be killed in a attack tomorrow, or I could get hit by a bus, or nothing could happen. I figure I might as well live my life to the fullest and take what comes.

As do I.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Saddam Funded the Terrorists

Oh did he now? Only funding I have heard of him participating in is to the families of Palastinian suicide bombers. He had nothing to do with 9/11 and if you just believe he did because the President says so, then that is your choice.

No, the fact that the Highjackers needed funding, and Saddam could give funding. And they both hate the US. I'd be very very suprised if not one penny exchanged hands.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

From what I understand Skyclad1uhm1,Saddam has one of the best security forces around him in the world and he's untouchable as far as assasination goes .

From what I understand, that supposedly is not an option as I believe the US considers officially sanctioned assination illegal.

It is, but given the chance, I'm sure there is not one military personal that would not take the chance. It could be passed off as collateral damage, and that is that. But we have to change the entire regime. His sons would take over if he died, and they would continue the tyrany. Like someoen said earlier. We have to do this now before we have two North Koreas.

 

[lowtech1]

Not only I'm afraid of what Bush will do the US economy that will affect Canada. But I?m more concerns with the sheep that he able to call upon to do his dirty deeds.

Bush Jr. hell bent on claiming that Iraq supports Al Queda, and he is prepares to bomb Iraq for his ideal. But, the ironical part is that his father is the one who supply Saddam with weapons including WMD.

I wonder when Jr. going to order the UN to bomb the US for supporting terrorism, and make demand that his father should stand in court for war crime & treason.

It funny how the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[lowtech1]

We have to do this now before we have two North Koreas.

Same ignoramus reasoning that was use as propaganda for the Vietnam War.

Can people ever learn from their mistake/history?

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
no. screw him.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: lowtech

We have to do this now before we have two North Koreas.

Same ignoramus reasoning that was use as propaganda for the Vietnam War.

Can people ever learn from their mistake/history?

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

So UN resoution 1441 means nothign to you people. Where it stated that Saddam must get rid of ALL his weapons of mass destruction by December 7, 2002?

It is now 4 months later to the day and he has done nothing of the sort. (and if you believe the handfull of weapons he supposidly destroyed is it, you need to wake up)

 

[Insane3D]

No, the fact that the Highjackers needed funding, and Saddam could give funding. And they both hate the US. I'd be very very suprised if not one penny exchanged hands.

Actually, rich Saudi Arabian families are where most of the the funding came from, should we take them out too?

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

No, the fact that the Highjackers needed funding, and Saddam could give funding. And they both hate the US. I'd be very very suprised if not one penny exchanged hands.

Actually, rich Saudi Arabian families are where most of the the funding came from, should we take them out too?

I have a feeling they will fall on their own. Dunno why. Like I said, you are telling me NOT ONE PENNY exchanged hands from Saddam and the Hijackers?

 

[bluemax]

I'm more afraid of that the US is going to do next. Ultimate power has corrupted, not quite absolutely..... yet.
But hey, it'll only be a matter of time before the Great White North becomes another set of stars on the Red White n' Blue.
Don't get me going about "Free Trade".

 

[B00ne]

Are u shitting me? Why in the world should I be afraid of some small, very poor strip of desert, that has far bigger problems than to threaten me or anyone? No of course I am not afraid of Iraq.
But I am afraid of a big country quite far away yet always very close waving weapons at everyone and telling everyone how irrellevant they are, all while this country feels god chosen, enlightened and superior giving them the right to rule, oppress and devastate as the please - but maybe they are just the master race and I should rightfully ph34r them

 

[Insane3D]

So UN resoution 1441 means nothign to you people. Where it stated that Saddam must get rid of ALL his weapons of mass destruction by December 7, 2002?

It is now 4 months later to the day and he has done nothing of the sort. (and if you believe the handfull of weapons he supposidly destroyed is it, you need to wake up)

Here is one of our problems. We claim we are doing the work of the UN by enforcing 1441, but when they won't just be good allies and follow our lead, we say the whole establishment is irrelevant and we will go alone. We are doing something similar with NK.

NK says they will not stop their nuclear ambitions unless we have fact to face talks with them. We say we won't have face to face talks until they stop with their nuclear ambitions. It's a catch 22 that could maybe be broken if one side just gave a little.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

So UN resoution 1441 means nothign to you people. Where it stated that Saddam must get rid of ALL his weapons of mass destruction by December 7, 2002?

It is now 4 months later to the day and he has done nothing of the sort. (and if you believe the handfull of weapons he supposidly destroyed is it, you need to wake up)

Here is one of our problems. We claim we are doing the work of the UN by enforcing 1441, but when they won't just be good allies and follow our lead, we say the whole establishment is irrelevant and we will go alone. We are doing something similar with NK.

NK says they will not stop their nuclear ambitions unless we have fact to face talks with them. We say we won't have face to face talks until they stop with their nuclear ambitions. It's a catch 22 that could maybe be broken if one side just gave a little.

Actually whats happening is that 1441 was passed with 15 votes to none, but no other country besides the UK wants to help us do anything about it. And NK keeps asking for more and more aid. They are blackmailing us, and we dont want to have anything to do with it.