Are you afraid of Iraq?

[Insane3D]

Are u shitting me? Why in the world should I be afraid of some small, very poor strip of desert, that has far bigger problems than to threaten me or anyone? No of course I am not afraid of Iraq.
But I am afraid of a big country quite far away yet always very close waving weapons at everyone and telling everyone how irrellevant they are, all while this country feels god chosen, enlightened and superior giving them the right to rule, oppress and devastate as the please - but maybe they are just the master race and I should rightfully ph34r them.

Careful. Try to remember that not everyone in the US thinks the course of action we are taking is the right one.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: Slasher2k

Originally posted by: lowtech

We have to do this now before we have two North Koreas.

Same ignoramus reasoning that was use as propaganda for the Vietnam War.

Can people ever learn from their mistake/history?

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein

So UN resoution 1441 means nothign to you people. Where it stated that Saddam must get rid of ALL his weapons of mass destruction by December 7, 2002?

It is now 4 months later to the day and he has done nothing of the sort. (and if you believe the handfull of weapons he supposidly destroyed is it, you need to wake up)

Oh Please, how ignorance can one get?
People will use what ever mean to dispose of each other in war & peace time.

Why arn't we bomb Russia for using chemical on their own people?
Why the US is so hell bent on trying to up hold the 1441 resolution when the US it self has broken many and that include holding people with out a trial, bombing & chemical use on country such as Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos when it weren't a "declare war"?

Who is accountable for the above?

The only right & fair thing in this world is the guy with the bigest stick is the one that write the history book & make demand.

The US is becoming the Bully of the world, untill the next bull come (China), and then the US cry foul.

 

[Insane3D]

Like I said, you are telling me NOT ONE PENNY exchanged hands from Saddam and the Hijackers?

Can I say that for sure? Of course not. Can you say the reverse is true for sure? Also no.

Actually whats happening is that 1441 was passed with 15 votes to none, but no other country besides the UK wants to help us do anything about it.

Not true. The other countries do want to do something about it, it is just not what we want them to do. The countries in opposition to us want to increase the inspection force, and give Iraq more time to comply. While we seem to think this is just a waste of time since they have had so long already, where is the harm in waiting for a few months or so for the new inpection team to make headway if it would solidify the UN behind us? Even France is not suggesting open ended inspection indefinately.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: lowtech
Oh Please, how ignorance can one get?
People will use what ever mean to dispose of each other in war & peace time.

Why arn't we bomb Russia for using chemical on their own people?
Why the US is so hell bent on trying to up hold the 1441 resolution when the US it self has broken many and that include holding people with out a trial, bombing & chemical use on country such as Vietnam, Cambodia & Laos when it weren't a "declare war"?

Who is accountable for the above?

The only right & fair thing in this world is the guy with the bigest stick is the one that write the history book & make demand.

The US is becoming the Bully of the world, untill the next bull come (China), and then the US cry foul.

Ok, so lets let Saddam acheive his greatness in nuclear power and hope its not the US that he aims for first, or gives it to terrorists that smuggle it into the country, yeah thats a better idea... /sarcasm

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Like I said, you are telling me NOT ONE PENNY exchanged hands from Saddam and the Hijackers?

Can I say that for sure? Of course not. Can you say the reverse is true for sure? Also no.

Actually whats happening is that 1441 was passed with 15 votes to none, but no other country besides the UK wants to help us do anything about it.

Not true. The other countries do want to do something about it, it is just not what we want them to do. The countries in opposition to us want to increase the inspection force, and give Iraq more time to comply. While we seem to think this is just a waste of time since they have had so long already, where is the harm in waiting for a few months or so for the new inpection team to make headway if it would solidify the UN behind us? Even France is not suggesting open ended inspection indefinately.

Because Iraq is the size of California, and Saddam is a master of Deception. IT would take 10,000 Inspectors 10 years to find anything. Do you want to wait that long, or use that much man power to find something that more than likely is there (I dont have proof myself, but Im sure GW does or he wouldnt' be all hellbent on this resolution). It wouldn't be the first time that information has been held back until the right time, maybe, till next week at the UN Council meeting?

Seems like a good time to me....

 

[Insane3D]

Because Iraq is the size of California, and Saddam is a master of Deception. IT would take 10,000 Inspectors 10 years to find anything. Do you want to wait that long, or use that much man power to find something that more than likely is there (I dont have proof myself, but Im sure GW does or he wouldnt' be all hellbent on this resolution). It wouldn't be the first time that information has been held back until the right time, maybe, till next week at the UN Council meeting?

Seems like a good time to me....

You are missing the point. I'm not arguing whether or not increased inspections would or would not be effective. What I am trying to say is that if we allowed the extra time to appease the countries that think we haven't exhausted all non-military means, and Saddam still failed to comply, those countries would have no choice to gather behind us to back military action. This is commonly referred to as "diplomacy". Is Iraq really going to be that much more dangerous a month or so from now surrouned by a very large number of troops? If waiting a month or two to give inspections time to work will solidify the global community in the need to use force to disarm Iraq, wouldn't that be a prudent coure of action?

 

[B00ne]

All the question about why Iraq and how America is actually the biggest threat to the world are answered here War from the ThinkTank - the war in Iraq was already planned in 98 or so,there is nothing the Iraqis can do to prevent it - The US want, need, long for this war - it's their little baby.

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
Are the American people being held at the mercy of a dictator?

Yes, his name is John Ashcroft.

 

[Insane3D]

The US want, need, long for this war - it's their little baby.

You are generalizing again. There are certainly people in goverment who may have wanted this for awhile, but you need to remember not everyone over here wants war.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

The US want, need, long for this war - it's their little baby.

You are generalizing again. There are certainly people in goverment who may have wanted this for awhile, but you need to remember not everyone over here wants war.

I dont want war either, but I do what that Loser Saddam and his entire regime out of power.

 

[Insane3D]

I dont want war either, but I do what that Loser Saddam and his entire regime out of power.

I don't think you would find many people who think it is a good thing for him to stay in power.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

The US want, need, long for this war - it's their little baby.

You are generalizing again. There are certainly people in goverment who may have wanted this for awhile, but you need to remember not everyone over here wants war.

off course I am....

just read what these ppl were thinking out in the end of the 90s and most of the writers of the document are in government positions now - and off course I amgeneralizing about the US government. I am well aware that there are different opnions among the US citizen. Although this board makes it seem like 80% of the Americans are ultra right wing militarists but I know this board aint a demographic representation.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

I dont want war either, but I do what that Loser Saddam and his entire regime out of power.

I don't think you would find many people who think it is a good thing for him to stay in power.

Then you have to be prepared for war, like I am. More time is NOT going to get him to lose his weapons. Hes just gonna keep stalling like he has since 98 and even after Desert Storm: Round 1

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Slasher2k

Originally posted by: Insane3D

I dont want war either, but I do what that Loser Saddam and his entire regime out of power.

I don't think you would find many people who think it is a good thing for him to stay in power.

Then you have to be prepared for war, like I am. More time is NOT going to get him to lose his weapons. Hes just gonna keep stalling like he has since 98 and even after Desert Storm: Round 1

Like I said before, I didn't say that more time would make him get rid of his weapons. I said more time would appease the rest of the countries that don't think war is needed now. If we gave them said time, and he still did not comply in the time we gave them, then they would have no choice to back us in military action. We would be able to go to war with Iraq with the global community at our side, and not against us.

 

[Lotheron]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: Slasher2k

Originally posted by: Insane3D

I dont want war either, but I do what that Loser Saddam and his entire regime out of power.

I don't think you would find many people who think it is a good thing for him to stay in power.

Then you have to be prepared for war, like I am. More time is NOT going to get him to lose his weapons. Hes just gonna keep stalling like he has since 98 and even after Desert Storm: Round 1

Like I said before, I didn't say that more time would make him get rid of his weapons. I said more time would appease the rest of the countries that don't think war is needed now. If we gave them said time, and he still did not comply in the time we gave them, then they would have no choice to back us in military action. We would be able to go to war with Iraq with the global community at our side, and not against us.

My point is, said time was December 7, 2002. If it didn't happen by then, or even 4 months afterwards, like the unanimously voted resolution said, why do you think its going to happen at all? DO you really have that much faith in France, Germany, and Russia who have Diplomatic and Monetary ties to the Hussein Regime?

 

[Insane3D]

Here is where that magic "diplomacy" thing comes into play again. If we draft a joint resolution with France, Russia, and Germany stating we go along with their increased inspections plan as long as they meet two criteria. First, the new elevated inspections have a set time frame..say two months for example. Second, if at the end of that time period the inpectors report there job is incomplete due to Iraqi non-cooperation, we will use military force to enforce the resolution.

If we swallowed our pride and did this, and Iraq still didn't comply, it would be extremely hard for those countries to say they still didn't think force was needed. If that happened, they would look like the bad guys since we went along with their plan, it didn't work, and now they were not living up to their end of the agreement. We would come out smelling like roses since we had the patience to listen to the international community, and we would likely still get the same result without looking like the war mongering, go it alone country that scoffs at diplomacy.