Are you a werewolf Game 14 (Evil wins!)

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't think MonKENy has done anything "particularly suspicious". Maybe the crone thought he was just as likely innocent as evil and silenced him so that people don't mistake his newbieness for malice.

 

[highland145]

I don't think MonKENy has done anything "particularly suspicious". Maybe the crone thought he was just as likely innocent as evil and silenced him so that people don't mistake his newbieness for malice.

That's quite the stretch.....Are you trying to save his bacon?

crone, sorc or cub....you may be and he may be the wolf.

 

[Chiropteran]

What's the benefit of the crone silencing KEN? Blind guess so they can use their power?

Well, the crone has no special knowledge over the rest of us. I think it was just a wild guess and I don't think it's a big enough reason to lynch.

 

[highland145]

Well, the crone has no special knowledge over the rest of us. I think it was just a wild guess and I don't think it's a big enough reason to lynch.

True unless Ham is the crone. Of course, you could be the cub or sorc too.

Or I could full of crap. I am the KING, after all. Long live the king.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

He was by far the most talkative day 1. Who else was there to silence? I also don't like voting for the same guy twice since it was just as blind yesterday when we had lower probability, so he's the one guy I don't want lynched today. Tomorrow, though? Who knows. I do agree that we should be on the lookout for anyone picking favorites. For example, why did Chiropteran single out drum as a good guy (the second mason) for not voting ALIVE when there was dustb0wlkid and myself who also voted to lynch MonKENy?

But then again, the second mason was the only one that knew with certainty that ALIVE wasn't the prince or the ghost, so maybe he realized ALIVE was throwing the game and voted ALIVE to avoid suspicion of the werewolf.

EDIT: That was irt #127.

 

[Chiropteran]

Something else to keep in mind, is that team evil is a bit handicapped compared to usual games. They don't all know each other.

The wolf knows the cub, the cub knows the sorcerer, and the sorcerer knows the wolf.

The cub doesn't know who the wolf is, and the sorcerer doesn't know who the cub is.

The cultist knew the other cultist, but since one is dead now they don't really know anyone on team evil.

I can't really see an easy way to use this info for our advantage, but we need to keep it in mind. For example, a player who voted to lynch the wolf could easily be a team evil player who just didn't know the wolf.

 

[highland145]

He was by far the most talkative day 1. Who else was there to silence? I also don't like voting for the same guy twice since it was just as blind yesterday when we had lower probability, so he's the one guy I don't want lynched today. Tomorrow, though? Who knows. I do agree that we should be on the lookout for anyone picking favorites. For example, why did Chiropteran single out drum as a good guy (the second mason) for not voting ALIVE when there was dustb0wlkid and myself who also voted to lynch MonKENy?

But then again, the second mason was the only one that knew with certainty that ALIVE wasn't the prince or the ghost, so maybe he realized ALIVE was throwing the game and voted ALIVE to avoid suspicion of the werewolf.

EDIT: That was irt #127.

But I may very well be dead tomorrow if we don't pick the wolf.


Hmmm....timer option to make things interesting......:hmm:

 

[Chiropteran]

For example, why did Chiropteran single out drum as a good guy (the second mason) for not voting ALIVE when there was dustb0wlkid and myself who also voted to lynch MonKENy?

Well, drum gave a reason to not vote for alive, which is why I noted it. I disagreed with his reasoning at the time, but in retrospect knowing that someone had to be the other mason I feel like the mason would have put forth at least some attempt to get people to vote elsewhere.

 

[Chiropteran]

but i may very well be dead tomorrow if we don't pick the wolf.


Hmmm....timer option to make things interesting......:hmm:

press the button.

 

[highland145]

press the button.

Input from anyone else?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

But I may very well be dead tomorrow if we don't pick the wolf.

The way I see it, you're dead either way. Right now it's a matter of whether the werewolf wants to play it safe or take a gamble. If he eats you tonight, he at least knows that team good has one less member in the case that team good gets a clear picture (as Chiropteran pointed out, right now both teams could be committing friendly fire). If he wants to take a (rather mild) risk, it's 2 to 1 that he eats a good guy.

EDIT: And sure, press the button if you want.

 

[drum]

The way I see it, you're dead either way. Right now it's a matter of whether the werewolf wants to play it safe or take a gamble. If he eats you tonight, he at least knows that team good has one less member in the case that team good gets a clear picture (as Chiropteran pointed out, right now both teams could be committing friendly fire). If he wants to take a (rather mild) risk, it's 2 to 1 that he eats a good guy.

EDIT: And sure, press the button if you want.

This will probably get me flamed again, but back to the point I made earlier... The wolf's main priority is to find the seer. The wolf knows who the cub is so he may accidentally kill the sorc or cultist. Killing the prince tonight buys the wolf nothing. I think the wolf is MonKENy at this point.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

This will probably get me flamed again, but back to the point I made earlier... The wolf's main priority is to find the seer. The wolf knows who the cub is so he may accidentally kill the sorc or cultist. Killing the prince tonight buys the wolf nothing. I think the wolf is MonKENy at this point.

I agree with everything you said up until the last sentence; I don't see how MonKENy is any more suspicious because of that. I do agree that the werewolf is more likely to take a leap and vote for someone other than highland, however.

EDIT: But maybe I'm putting too much weight on the gameshow concept where changing ones vote is beneficial after a door is revealed. It did take me longer than I'd like to admit to understand the logic, but now it seems that MonKENy is being voted against because he was the second shot in the dark the first day. If this is random, I'd much rather vote for someone else. Right now I'm leaning towards Chiropteran and you since he defended you, but could also go for JujuFish since his defense of highland's questioning wasn't the strongest and since he called MonKENy "particularly suspicious" when he doesn't seem to be. Or maybe dustb0wlkid since he always plays so close to the chest.

So basically I'm just going to take a wild stab.

 

[drum]

I agree with everything you said up until the last sentence; I don't see how MonKENy is any more suspicious because of that. I do agree that the werewolf is more likely to take a leap and vote for someone other than highland, however.

EDIT: But maybe I'm putting too much weight on the gameshow concept where changing ones vote is beneficial after a door is revealed. It did take me longer than I'd like to admit to understand the logic, but now it seems that MonKENy is being voted against because he was the second shot in the dark the first day. If this is random, I'd much rather vote for someone else. Right now I'm leaning towards Chiropteran and you since he defended you, but could also go for JujuFish since his defense of highland's questioning wasn't the strongest and since he called MonKENy "particularly suspicious" when he doesn't seem to be. Or maybe dustb0wlkid since he always plays so close to the chest.

So basically I'm just going to take a wild stab.

I've got two reasons. 1. he was very happy to kill alive and lead the charge. (knows at the very least alive is not team bad) 2. he asked dixy if the cub knows who the wolf is immediately after roles were PMed. He, being the wolf, wasn't sure if the cub knew who he was. Obviously today he can't talk, which is highly unfortunate.

 

[Chiropteran]

Drum, are you the mason? Obviously you don't have to answer, but I feel like the info will help team good more than team evil. Sure, it would put a small target on your head, but if the wolf wants to get a good player kill tonight they can kill highland anyway.

On the other hand if you lie and claim to be the mason when you aren't, you will be discovered as an evil when the actual other mason turns up.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Don't see any reason for the second mason to come out. Doesn't help the odds of the good team at all.

I've got two reasons. 1. he was very happy to kill alive and lead the charge. (knows at the very least alive is not team bad) 2. he asked dixy if the cub knows who the wolf is immediately after roles were PMed. He, being the wolf, wasn't sure if the cub knew who he was. Obviously today he can't talk, which is highly unfortunate.

MonKENy was a first time player who had seen a few others already vote for ALIVE, and was just joining in as far as I can see. He also asked questions about multiple characters; in asking about the crone he may just as well be the crone. In such a case he wouldn't have to worry about missing any vital information from muting the wrong dude as well.

EDIT: Krazy4Real hasn't said a lot, although looking at his history he seems to be a quieter player. I'm always a little suspicious of people that vote really quickly and then stay silent; dustb0wlkid is the same way.

 

[drum]

Don't see any reason for the second mason to come out. Doesn't help the odds of the good team at all.



MonKENy was a first time player who had seen a few others already vote for ALIVE, and was just joining in as far as I can see. He also asked questions about multiple characters; in asking about the crone he may just as well be the crone. In such a case he wouldn't have to worry about missing any vital information from muting the wrong dude as well.

EDIT: Krazy4Real hasn't said a lot, although looking at his history he seems to be a quieter player. I'm always a little suspicious of people that vote really quickly and then stay silent; dustb0wlkid is the same way.

that's fine, I was just stating my observations. You can interpret them as you wish. I think the other mason coming out just gives the wolf one less person to target in finding the seer.

 

[highland145]

TIMER

This should be put in the rules as an automatic event.

 

[Krazy4Real]

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This should be put in the rules as an automatic event.

44% chance of hitting a bad guy. Lets cross our fingers.

 

[highland145]

44% chance of hitting a bad guy. Lets cross our fingers.

VS the random chance of us. Still have 24 hrs to pick a majority and stop the timer.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Gonna vote JujuFish since it's the best chance of letting MonKENy off.

 

[Storma]

He was silenced by the crone. He can't say anything but who he's voting for.
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Yep, I forgot about that one.

I don't follow. Highland posted he thought he would immediately get killed and I simply posted there is an obvious scenario in which that is not a foregone conclusion.
I'm not seeing how that is trying to lead one team or the other. Who disagrees with what I said?

I didn't say I disagree'd but telling everyone what you would do if you were the wolf was a bad idea. I think you may have given away what you are there, wolfie.

Still don't know who to vote for. I will vote soon, regardless.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hypotheticals should generally be ignored with respect to guilt imo unless there is something particularly suspicious about them. I've already made a few myself in this thread.

 

[drum]

Hypotheticals should generally be ignored with respect to guilt imo unless there is something particularly suspicious about them. I've already made a few myself in this thread.

And that is exactly what it was, a hypothetical. It is such because I said I wasn't the wolf. Obviously Storma, you can either believe me or not, as that is pretty much the name of the game, determining who is full of it. All I can do is post my reasons and back them up, which I have done.

 

[dustb0wlkid]

that's fine, I was just stating my observations. You can interpret them as you wish. I think the other mason coming out just gives the wolf one less person to target in finding the seer.

I agree with both your observations and the reasoning on which they are based. Furthermore, I am adding Chiropteran to the list of suspected baddies. The mason outing himself makes zero sense from a team good perspective. As you said, it not only gives team bad another sure kill, it also narrows down the seer options. Neither are good things.

Furthermore, MonKENy voted for me, even though I wasn't the first to vote for him either day. Noticeably, he did so on day 2 after I pointed out that I was voting for him again. He took the bait. He also voted for ALIVE, an innocent, on day one. A lot of small things add up to one conclusion, he's a baddie.