Are you a Hillary supporter? Why?

[soulcougher73]

Nope, id rather have Bernie of all the current runners of both parties by far. But i dont vote due to the EC.

 

[theeedude]

I support Hillary. She's at least talking about high cost of health care. Which is not to say I don't support Bernie. I will be happy with either as the Democrat nominee. That's the luxury of being a Democrat, the primaries are not a freak show like they are in the GOP.

 

[bshole]

I support Hillary. She's at least talking about high cost of health care. Which is not to say I don't support Bernie. I will be happy with either as the Democrat nominee. That's the luxury of being a Democrat, the primaries are not a freak show like they are in the GOP.

A vote for Hilary is a vote for full-scale war in the Middle East (as is a vote for any GOP candidate). I will not vote. It would be an immoral and obscene act in this instance.

 

[theeedude]

A vote for Hilary is a vote for full-scale war in the Middle East (as is a vote for any GOP candidate). I will not vote. It would be an immoral and obscene act in this instance.

That's just stupid talk. How many full scale wars in the Middle East did Bill Clinton start? No vote = GOP vote, and then you'll actually get this war you are afraid of.

 

[bshole]

That's just stupid talk. How many full scale wars in the Middle East did Bill Clinton start? No vote = GOP vote, and then you'll actually get this war you are afraid of.

Hillary is far more pro-war than Bill. I trust Bill a whole helluva lot more than Hillary,

 

[theeedude]

Hillary is far more pro-war than Bill. I trust Bill a whole helluva lot more than Hillary,

I heard that shit before, just remember if a few more Democrats voted in 2000, we may have avoided getting thousands of American soldiers killed and blowing trillions of dollars on two wars in the Middle East.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I heard that shit before, just remember if a few more Democrats voted in 2000, we may have avoided getting thousands of American soldiers killed and blowing trillions of dollars on two wars in the Middle East.

That's the fundamental truth of it.

Another point I'd made before centers on which Senate seat Hillary had occupied. It seemed that everyone except me was caught up in the panic of 911. On the night of September 10, 2001, I was sitting around a campfire in the North Cascades with two friends. I had literally predicted that night what would happen the following morning. I had predicted the war in Iraq or "some war" in the Middle-East, and I predicted the financial crisis of 2007. (* see footnote)

Later, in late 2002, I had written a letter to John McCain urging him to stop Bush's war plan for March of the next year. His response -- four pages long but sent to several people and signed with an auto-pen -- was ludicrous, and I laughed.

And I was right.

But with a New York constituency who also write letters, I can understand at least one reason for her big mistake on the war vote.

Those of you who say you're not satisfied with either of the Dem or GOP options, implying that you won't vote or may not vote: I think you're wrong about that. This isn't a smorgasbord. It's a choice of two prison lunches at San Quentin. Further, it is political warfare.

I say -- pick the shit sandwich you'd rather have leading the country. No matter what you think of the options, one is going to be better than the other. Low turnout will work in one party's favor; high turnout could work the other way.

* not clairvoyant. I don't understand it myself.

 

[MongGrel]

I support the duck almost always.

He da man.

 

[zinfamous]

No, not a Hillary supporter.

I do not support anyone that is that much of a lying self centered bitch.

It must be difficult for you to post, then.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I support the duck almost always.

He da man.

I had also made some e-mail exchanges with a forum-colleague in Florida (different forum) just before the 2000 election. She wrote back to me around 2008, beginning with the statement something like "It's uncanny that you wrote this in 2000." She had been cleaning out her e-mail folders. I could go hunt for that correspondence, but not important enough.

In early 2010, I wrote my story of the Cascades trip, and "published" it for members of the political activist club I served at that time. I had included a picture of the Twin Towers burning. The story ended with a blank TV screen describing a lack of "clairvoyance." It also contained some references to the melting of glacial ice. When April arrived with photos of the Deepwater Horizon blowout, I noticed that you could sort of squint at both pictures, and they looked alike. But I still can't explain it. Just coincidence, I suppose.

Weird. That's all I can say.

 

[bshole]

It must be difficult for you to post, then.

Zin, you did it again. Absolute scorch job. I bow in humble admiration of your work. It is one-line zingers like that make this forum worth it for me.

ROFLMFAO!!!! Happy new year baby! Looking forward to more of your stuff!

 

[Jaskalas]

I heard that shit before, just remember if a few more Democrats voted in 2000, we may have avoided getting thousands of American soldiers killed and blowing trillions of dollars on two wars in the Middle East.

Just remember Hillary played a large influence in the corruption of Obama on Libya and Syria. Whatever you think she was back in the 90s, or even what "wisdom" she still kept on her "yes" vote for the Iraq war, that pinch of sanity has long since passed.

Your voting full fledged Neocon when you vote Hillary.

 

[Vic]

Just remember Hillary played a large influence in the corruption of Obama on Libya and Syria. Whatever you think she was back in the 90s, or even what "wisdom" she still kept on her "yes" vote for the Iraq war, that pinch of sanity has long since passed.

Your voting full fledged Neocon when you vote Hillary.

Neoliberal, you mean. There is a difference.

 

[HeXen]

No, not a Hillary supporter.

I do not support anyone that is that much of a lying self centered bitch.

My words precisely. She's too corruptible as in easily will commit some form of corruption out of greed or selfishness. She won't interview with anyone that will ask her the tough questions or critical questions. That's why she's into the cute but yet adult created cue card questions from children thing.

Of course if any of us did half of the things she has done, we'd either be fired or in jail. But that goes for all of politics it seems.

 

[MongGrel]

I really do not think corruptible is a valid word today in politics in general.

The whole system is borked to begin with, no one is going to get elected POTUS and make sweeping changes on many issues.

The gridlock in general on trying to solve problems is the issue, and there are some that are all ready elected that would shut things down over spite to begin with.

I was going to write more but won't.

Would just turn into a TLDR thing I imagine.

 

[Moonbeam]

I see nobody willing or able to form a progressive anti-war third party. That means that any who support such a position and want their vote to count even slightly are forced to choose the party that most closely resembles them. Since the Republican party is filled with insanity crazed fearful bigots who hate any and all 'others', that leaves only the Democratic party as a possible contender. At least in that party, somebody like Sanders can find a voice, if not as yet, a means to fully effective leverage.

This means that the insane will vote Republican and the morally pure ivy tower idealists to a wasted vote for a third party or not voting at all. All the Republicans have to do is engage in sufficient brain washing to drive enough left leaning folk away from their natural party by buying it off and smearing it as just the alternative evil. We have yet to see a Progressive Tea Party on the left try to take over the establishment Democrats and effect any real change. Liberals are easily depressed and beaten down because life is so hopeless. How could somebody as worthless as I am make any real difference.

Let me crawl under a rock so I can get what I deserve. Hope went up in Marijuana smoke back with the Hippies in the 60s.

 

[1prophet]

If, so, please explain to me why you support Hillary over Bernie. I have scoured the internet trying to find some, but thus far I have only found two.

Both of these individuals claimed that they supported Hillary, because they felt she had a better chance in the primary. The problem is that this isn't true. Polls have shown for months that Bernie not only beats every republican, unlike Hillary, but beats them by a larger margin.

Because I've been brainwashed, oops I mean told the only other choice I have is that slimy no good republican that is out to get the union, blue collar, hard working middle class guy so they can give to their rich wall street buddies,

believe it or not that is the same you have only 2 choices line that has been sold to the unions during campaigning, only to find out later the democrat traitors sold them out to the same corporate bastards later.

Just ask the UAW who at one time went on strike when they found GM was putting in Japanese spark plugs in their engines,

http://www.nwitimes.com/uncategoriz...cle_534bdd38-c47b-5b43-bcab-3a14fcdd194d.html
No end in sight to GM strikes


"It's a total disservice to all of America for General Motors to be using
Japanese spark plugs in their products," UAW Vice President Richard Shoemaker
said Wednesday. "Again, I think it lends validity to what we've been saying all
along, that they have an `America Last' strategy."

So were is that once almighty pro America UAW now that taxpayer bailed out GM is putting in entire made in China engines as well as other parts, not just spark plugs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/business/worldbusiness/26chevy.html

The idea of using the Chinese engine did not sit well with the Canadian Auto Workers, the union that represents workers at the Equinox factory. Because of its complexity, engine assembly uses a higher proportion of skilled, well-paid workers.


And Basil E. Hargrove, the union’s president, blames what he calls unfair trading practices by Asian manufacturers for much of the North American industry’s problems.


“Today it’s South Korea and Japan, and tomorrow it’s going to be China,” he said. “It’s only a matter of time before G.M., Ford and Chrysler are going to deal with the crisis they face by going into these countries and shipping into here. Very few consumers ask: where is the engine built or where is the transmission made?”

The same Democrats who are supposedly for middle class America signed off on these multinational free trade agreements while telling voters like the unions and middle class the only other choice is the other guy.

Voting for the lesser of two evils in order to win for your team is a false choice,
just ask the UAW how their uncompromising democrat support has worked out for them.

 

[theeedude]

Just remember Hillary played a large influence in the corruption of Obama on Libya and Syria. Whatever you think she was back in the 90s, or even what "wisdom" she still kept on her "yes" vote for the Iraq war, that pinch of sanity has long since passed.

Your voting full fledged Neocon when you vote Hillary.

Yes, I am not happy about those policies, on the other hand, Iraq and Afghanistan wars were 10 times worse by pretty much every metric. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[raildogg]

Why do people "support" strangers they will never meet? What a world.

And people believe these strangers that they will never meet actually care about them!

 

[shortylickens]

Only if Trump somehow wins the GOP nomination.

Lesser Of Two Evils.

 

[Moonbeam]

Because I've been brainwashed, oops I mean told the only other choice I have is that slimy no good republican that is out to get the union, blue collar, hard working middle class guy so they can give to their rich wall street buddies,

believe it or not that is the same you have only 2 choices line that has been sold to the unions during campaigning, only to find out later the democrat traitors sold them out to the same corporate bastards later.

Just ask the UAW who at one time went on strike when they found GM was putting in Japanese spark plugs in their engines,
So were is that once almighty pro America UAW now that taxpayer bailed out GM is putting in entire made in China engines as well as other parts, not just spark plugs.
The same Democrats who are supposedly for middle class America signed off on these multinational free trade agreements while telling voters like the unions and middle class the only other choice is the other guy.

Voting for the lesser of two evils in order to win for your team is a false choice,
just ask the UAW how their uncompromising democrat support has worked out for them.

God, are you right! There is just one problem. You provided no alternative viable answer? In shout, your an empty airbag of idealistic nothing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Why do people "support" strangers they will never meet? What a world.

And people believe these strangers that they will never meet actually care about them!

But isn't that exactly what utility would demand? If you don't get that morality is the result of your creation in the image of God, you will remain a leaf in the breeze, blown around by this kind of silly irrelevant thinking.

Don't you see that a person's character is determined by his or her aim? Just picture a Buddhist whose aim is to save all sentient beings.

Be careful, because evil is in the eye of the beholder and who wants to be known as the evil eye.

 

[nageov3t]

If, so, please explain to me why you support Hillary over Bernie. I have scoured the internet trying to find some, but thus far I have only found two.

Both of these individuals claimed that they supported Hillary, because they felt she had a better chance in the primary. The problem is that this isn't true. Polls have shown for months that Bernie not only beats every republican, unlike Hillary, but beats them by a larger margin.

the issue is that those polls are basically meaningless... Hillary's been under attack for 20+ years, while Bernie has been untouched. his head-to-head numbers have the potential to crater should he win the nomination and Republicans start blanketing the airwaves with ads where Bernie proudly calls himself a socialist.

there's also the question of how effectively he could even lead his own party, having been a Democrat for all of like 4 months, not to mention dealing with the wall of opposition that Republicans will be. thus far in his political career, he's shown absolutely zero interest in helping down-ticket races and helping to get people elected outside of Vermont.

 

[glenn1]

Why do people "support" strangers they will never meet? What a world.

And people believe these strangers that they will never meet actually care about them!

They aren't, they're simply voting for proxies they hope represent some core belief they have. "I'm for the little guy who's getting screwed by the 1% who own large corporations, therefore I'm voting Democrat." Or "I'm tired of seeing traditional values not upheld by the government and my tax money being spent on those who refuse to help themselves, therefore I'm voting Republican."

Someone looking with rational and dispassionate eyes would realize that apart from a couple minimal topics (like abortion or healthcare) you could substitute Geroge Bush the Elder for Hillary and not notice much difference.

 

[Jhhnn]

They aren't, they're simply voting for proxies they hope represent some core belief they have. "I'm for the little guy who's getting screwed by the 1% who own large corporations, therefore I'm voting Democrat." Or "I'm tired of seeing traditional values not upheld by the government and my tax money being spent on those who refuse to help themselves, therefore I'm voting Republican."

Someone looking with rational and dispassionate eyes would realize that apart from a couple minimal topics (like abortion or healthcare) you could substitute Geroge Bush the Elder for Hillary and not notice much difference.

You're lying to yourself, again, apparently to preserve your conservative self image.

Other "minimal topics" would include financial regulation, taxes, social programs (including SS), guns, energy & the role of govt in general. Little stuff, really of no consequence at all.

You're right, in a way- the parties had more in common 25 years ago before Repubs made a forced march to the far right end of the spectrum.