Are white Christian males discriminated against the most now?

[DigDug]

Most of you just don't seem to understand the historical dynamix that has led to the current situation. You come and ask as why a double standard exists with statements of discrimination, while complately ignoring the double standard that led to this in the first place. Perhaps you've never had a chance, or more probably, never bothered to view things outside your world, but you just don't recognize the privilege you have, since it isn't labeled as such. Noone in the store says, "You are white and therefore I treat you with respect." In fact, your dealings and the privilege you enjoy with societal interaction is simply normal to you. Try then, to see how others react who aren't automatically given the social "thumbs up" when in a store or at the mall. Those who are automatically seen as potential thieves and miscreants, before they even open their mouth or act in any way. And then ask why this latter "double standard" exists.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Most of you just don't seem to understand the historical dynamix that has led to the current situation. You come and ask as why a double standard exists with statements of discrimination, while complately ignoring the double standard that led to this in the first place. Perhaps you've never had a chance, or more probably, never bothered to view things outside your world, but you just don't recognize the privilege you have, since it isn't labeled as such. Noone in the store says, "You are white and therefore I treat you with respect." In fact, your dealings and the privilege you enjoy with societal interaction is simply normal to you. Try then, to see how others react who aren't automatically given the social "thumbs up" when in a store or at the mall. Those who are automatically seen as potential thieves and miscreants, before they even open their mouth or act in any way. And then ask why this latter "double standard" exists.

Well said!!!

 

[kehi]

Affirmative Action is discrimination against the white male

I have to agree with this.

 

[DigDug]

It's discrimination against the white male, true enough, but considering the increased marketability of a white male over an underrepresented minority in the workplace, that jilted white guy will be finding a job somewhere, soon. There are valid criticisms of affirmative action, but it's "effect" upon white america is hardly one of them.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Only a matter of time before the resident white-man-down FFMCobalt chimed in. Buddy, your ills and obstacles aren't because your white, it's because your a toolbox.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
It's discrimination against the white male, true enough, but considering the increased marketability of a white male over an underrepresented minority in the workplace, that jilted white guy will be finding a job somewhere, soon. There are valid criticisms of affirmative action, but it's "effect" upon white america is hardly one of them.

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: kehi

Affirmative Action is discrimination against the white male

I have to agree with this.

Yeah, damn that white people can only make up 95% of the colleges/universities instead of the 96% that there should be.

 

[DigDug]

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

Indeed it should, but it sure is not being pushed aside by the white elite. Why should it be done so, by those who've managed to leverage some power? Affirmative action is so narrowly defined. Why doesn't include the old boy's network that lets LEGIONS of unqualified white boys into Princeton, Yale, and Harvard, based on their elite heritage? I know MANY of these kids myself, having been affiliated with schools that practice this policy. My college has special tours for the children of the "special alums". I guess the word legacy sounds nicer.

 

[kehi]

Yeah, damn that white people can only make up 95% of the colleges/universities instead of the 96% that there should be.

This is pure BS at most colleges throughout the nation. The university that I attended consisted of ~44% minority individuals.

considering the increased marketability of a white male over an underrepresented minority in the workplace,

I would really like to see an example of this

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

Well said

 

[QueHuong]

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

I agree, only if society is as idealistic as it makes itself to be. AA was put in place to help those with disadvantaged backgrounds, notably minorities. You can't tell me a white and black person with the same innate intelligence, but the black person grew up in the slums have the same edge as his competitor who grew up in a suburb.

Secondly, all of us have our own prejudices and it plays a huge role when we pass judgement (yes, I'm sure you never pass judgement because you're a good man, blah blah blah). I absolutely won't believe you for a second if you say that your heart doesn't beat faster, eyes do not widen as much, and you do not feel for your wallet if you're alone at night and see a black guy walking in the opposite direction, as opposed to him being white. Hell, I'll even admit I get more alert around black people than white people; and I get more impressed if I see a black person succeeding than a white person. That's the prejudice I've been raised it and I know it's wrong, so I force myself to try not to pass judgement. Without AA, you think minorities will be treated just as fairly? Highly doubt it. They're not now even with AA. I've sociology books that shows a white person will get paid more than minorities with the same qualifications, but I'm sorry to say I don't remember the titles or else I would have given you the title, author, ISBN, date of publishing, whatever the hell you want. And I have yet to see any studies that shows blacks get paid more than whites with the same qualifications.

 

[thraashman]

Only a matter of time before the resident white-man-down FFMCobalt chimed in. Buddy, your ills and obstacles aren't because your white, it's because your a toolbox.

LMAO. Whether or not you like (or are) FFMCobalt, that was funny.

Besides, the White Atheist Male is far more discriminated against than the White Christian Male. I say that currently that Atheists are the most discriminated against group in the US today.

And as far as discriminating against women, come on, we all know men are better than women. Haven't you all ever heard the phrase that two heads are better than one. 😉

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

Indeed it should, but it sure is not being pushed aside by the white elite. Why should it be done so, by those who've managed to leverage some power? Affirmative action is so narrowly defined. Why doesn't include the old boy's network that lets LEGIONS of unqualified white boys into Princeton, Yale, and Harvard, based on their elite heritage? I know MANY of these kids myself, having been affiliated with schools that practice this policy. My college has special tours for the children of the "special alums". I guess the word legacy sounds nicer.

Race should NOT be a factor. Test scores and grades should speak for themselves, without ever knowing what the applicant's race is. You cannot truly be a non-racist society if you keep taking race as a consideration for hiring and acceptance into schools.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: MindStorm
I absolutely won't believe you for a second if you say that your heart doesn't beat faster, eyes do not widen as much, and you do not feel for your wallet if you're alone at night and see a black guy walking in the opposite direction, as opposed to him being white.

You won't believe me?

I don't know about you, but I was born in Willingboro, NJ, right next to Philly. This isn't the sticks where a black man is a rare occurance and people are afraid to see them. The percentage of black people in the USA is about 13%, while where I live it's about 60%. My school was mostly black, and many of my friends are. I don't see what the big deal is.

So no, I don't get afraid when I see a black guy, since I grew up in an area that is largely black.

I don't understand how people can be so sheltered where they get afraid to see someone who looks different than them.

I see that you're from Ohio, which is in the US's heartland. Things are probably a LOT different out there. Someone in Iowa probably would find Asian people an oddity, while someone near San Jose, California won't even be able to comprehend that. It's all about who you grow up with.

 

[lastig21]

Discrimination is a harsh word, especially considering where this discrimation takes place. Affirmative Action does keep some qualified white males out of individual jobs and sets a higher standard to enter college. As was mentioned earlier in the thread though, we are not discriminated against in day to day society though. I used to be opposed to Affirmative Action, mostly because I listened to my family b1tch about it with never looking into it. After doing some research on it though, I think it is a good program. Its not like any random minority is put into the position ahead of a highly qualified white male. The minority will be qualified to fill the position.

I think the answer is no, we are not discriminated against the most.

 

[Dragnov]

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

Well said

I think this is a better statement.

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all, as soon minorities are on a equal standard with white people. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

Have we reached that point? Nope.

We have?

Where is the first woman or minority president, let alone vice president?

How many top coprarate executives are of a non-white male?

How many white people are in college compared to other races/ethnicities?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

Well said

I think this is a better statement.

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all, as soon white people are no longer on their elevated positions as they are now. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

I think your angst is misguided. You are holding a grudge against the "old wood" of this nation, which isn't doing someone like me any good at all. When you enact a policy that's meant to compensate for the favoritism by the "old wood" crowd, it just ends up hurting someone like me. I don't know anyone in major corporations, I don't walk into an interview and get welcomed with open arms because I'm white, in fact if anything my chances are decreased because there are laws that were meant to compensate for acts committed by other white people that I don't even know. Why limit me when I'm not the problem?

Affirmative action decreases my chances of getting a job. Surely a measure that favors non-whites is not going to help me any, it can only work against me.

 

[nater]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I don't think religion has anything to do with it, but I would agree that white males are quite discriminated against --worse than the other minorities.

Good to see white supremacy is alive and well my white brother!

In essence, this is the heart of the discussion. I think it is true that all groups no matter, are somewhat discriminated against. People with power in the world have their own views about other people, and will make decisions accordingly. That is inevitable. What I see as the problem is that when a white male stands up and says he is being discriminated against, or he is against affirmative action, etc, that he is then considered a white supremacist, which is utter bullsh1t. It's unfair that one group has the right to say they're being discriminated against, and have an audience to do so, and that another group can say the same thing and be considered a racist. People just need to realize that everyone is discriminated against, and that instead of trying to compensate for each individual group, we should do what we can encourage/support diversity and to be proud of our own respective cultures.

 

[sygyzy]

It's what whites would like to believe.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Where is the first woman or minority president, let alone vice president?

How many top coprarate executives are of a non-white male?

How many white people are in college compared to other races/ethnicities?

You seem to be thinking emotionally and not logically. You're lumping all white people into one big group like we're the enemy or something. You're saying that blacks should get preference because of crimes by "white people".

But these laws will affect ME while I did not create the problem. Why should I be held back for someone else's crimes? You are referring to all white people like we're a bunch of strangers that's just trying to hold you back.

I should not be limited in any way, and no policies should be enacted that favors some other race as a result of crimes committed by someone that I don't even know.

 

[QueHuong]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: MindStorm
I absolutely won't believe you for a second if you say that your heart doesn't beat faster, eyes do not widen as much, and you do not feel for your wallet if you're alone at night and see a black guy walking in the opposite direction, as opposed to him being white.

You won't believe me?

I don't know about you, but I was born in Willingboro, NJ, right next to Philly. This isn't the sticks where a black man is a rare occurance and people are afraid to see them. The percentage of black people in the USA is about 13%, while where I live it's about 60%. My school was mostly black, and many of my friends are. I don't see what the big deal is.

So no, I don't get afraid when I see a black guy, since I grew up in an area that is largely black.

I don't understand how people can be so sheltered where they get afraid to see someone who looks different than them.

I see that you're from Ohio, which is in the US's heartland. Things are probably a LOT different out there. Someone in Iowa probably would find Asian people an oddity, while someone near San Jose, California won't even be able to comprehend that. It's all about who you grow up with.

I see your point. But your argument would be effective if all white people who have the authority to hire people grew up around minorities and truly understood them. They don't, do they? And I see that you agree with me, from your last sentence, that environment plays a huge role. So I would like to reiterate my question, if all else being equal except environment, would a black person with a disadvantaged background get the same chance of being hired if AA didn't exist?

 

[Dragnov]

I think this is a better statement.

Race should not be a factor in choosing an applicant at all, as soon white people are no longer on their elevated positions as they are now. It is a discriminatory practice, one which should be banished.

I think your angst is misguided. You are holding a grudge against the "old wood" of this nation, which isn't doing someone like me any good at all. When you enact a policy that's meant to compensate for the favoritism by the "old wood" crowd, it just ends up hurting someone like me. I don't know anyone in major corporations, I don't walk into an interview and get welcomed with open arms because I'm white, in fact if anything my chances are decreased because there are laws that were meant to compensate for acts committed by other white people that I don't even know. Why limit me when I'm not the problem?

Affirmative action decreases my chances of getting a job. Surely a measure that favors non-whites is not going to help me any, it can only work against me.[/quote]

I congratulate on actually having a reasonable post, but you misunderstand my point. I am opposed to affirmative action and will always be. I don't find it to be the solution, in fact I believe it does worse for the cause. However, suggesting that race should have aboslutely no bearing in college is absurd. I suppose you can say it is "fair" in terms of admissions, but you msut realize that minorites are already disadvantaged to get to the point of reaching admissions.

You say your chances are decreased by these programs. Probably true, but you must realize your chances are being decreased from an already advantaged position. So in essence, it is mereley equalizing thing and thus becoming fair (and that is what affirmative aciton is trying to do... poorly at that.) Only then will I support measures to remove any type of program that is meant for only a single race.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: MindStorm
I see your point. But your argument would be effective if all white people who have the authority to hire people grew up around minorities and truly understood them. They don't, do they? And I see that you agree with me, from your last sentence, that environment plays a huge role. So I would like to reiterate my question, if all else being equal except environment, would a black person with a disadvantaged background get the same chance of being hired if AA didn't exist?

I guess it would depend on where you live. I would imagine that in North Dakota or something, a black guy would not have a very good chance of getting a job compared to a white guy. But here in Philadelphia, you'd be discriminating against half the people here... it wouldn't make any sense.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

World's Whitest Human Being, checking in. 😛

- M4H

 

[DerwenArtos12]

i think that depending on where you are and what situaion it is every race or religon get discriminated against. i do have to say that as a representative of the pagan comunity that atleast white christians are understood.

 

[QueHuong]

You say your chances are decreased by these programs. Probably true, but you must realize your chances are being decreased from an already advantaged position.

I gotta say, I'm impressed you can make a strong point in a few sentences. Me, I would have taken twice as much space to make the same argument...lol.