Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[Sonikku]

It's the best political thing that's happened in this country for decades. So speak for yourself or the minority of crybabies that lost the Presidency, the Senate, the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court in this election cycle.

I think you're confused. The minority are in control. Democrats hold the popular vote for the White House, the House and this time the Senate too. The majority of Americans voting are Democrat but the majority of the seats in government are Republican.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I think you're confused. The minority are in control. Democrats hold the popular vote for the White House, the House and this time the Senate too. The majority of Americans voting are Democrat but the majority of the seats in government are Republican.

Only if you count the illegal vote, but regardless if you support those votes or not, our Republic and our Constitution says that Trump is our President-Elect and will take office Jan. 20th as long as he gets 270+ electoral college votes. You may not like our Constitution and the legal and lawful rules we live by, but that's the way it is.

 

[IronWing]

Only if you count the illegal vote, but regardless if you support those votes or not, our Republic and our Constitution says that Trump is our President-Elect and will take office Jan. 20th as long as he gets 270+ electoral college votes. You may not like our Constitution and the legal and lawful rules we live by, but that's the way it is.

Evidence?

 

[JSt0rm]

Only if you count the illegal vote, but regardless if you support those votes or not, our Republic and our Constitution says that Trump is our President-Elect and will take office Jan. 20th as long as he gets 270+ electoral college votes. You may not like our Constitution and the legal and lawful rules we live by, but that's the way it is.

Kookoo. Illegal vote? You crazy Russians.

 

[Sonikku]

Evidence?

Don't bother. He can't accept that his preferred party gets the majority of the representation in government with the fewer votes from the American people so he's grasping at straws. The EC may be one thing but the constitution doesn't say anything about having to gerrymander the house districts.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

There's this-

http://www.fairvote.org/national_popular_vote#what_is_the_national_popular_vote_plan

No need to amend the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
It's not undisputed and it certainly hasn't been tested in the USSC.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Don't bother. He can't accept that his preferred party gets the majority of the representation in government with the fewer votes from the American people so he's grasping at straws. The EC may be one thing but the constitution doesn't say anything about having to gerrymander the house districts.

Argue with the Constitution, it set up the way we elect Congressional reps., Senators and Presidents. I know that the Hate America crowd like yourself really resents your loss of power, but i'm happy with it.

 

[buckshot24]

Don't bother. He can't accept that his preferred party gets the majority of the representation in government with the fewer votes from the American people so he's grasping at straws. The EC may be one thing but the constitution doesn't say anything about having to gerrymander the house districts.

I remember going through this here and the gerrymandering is being blown way out of proportion.

 

[buckshot24]

Evidence?

Can we agree that undocumented people voting is some non-zero number? How many undocumented (illegal alien) votes? That is another question.

 

[buckshot24]

I think you're confused. The minority are in control. Democrats hold the popular vote for the White House, the House and this time the Senate too. The majority of Americans voting are Democrat but the majority of the seats in government are Republican.

Obviously gerrymandering isn't to blame for the senate.

You do realize that in California there wasn't a GOP candidate? There were two Democrats that got 7.8 million to 0 in the state. That is going to skew some numbers wouldn't you think?

Edit:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mocrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/

"Republicans captured the majority of the "popular vote" for the House on Election Day, collecting about 56.3 million votes while Democrats got about 53.2 million, according to USA TODAY calculations. With a few races still undecided, Republicans so far hold a 239-193 majority for the next Congress."

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I remember going through this here and the gerrymandering is being blown way out of proportion.

More or less than voter fraud?

Careful with that axe Eugene.

 

[flexy]

Argue with the Constitution, it set up the way we elect Congressional reps., Senators and Presidents. I know that the Hate America crowd like yourself really resents your loss of power, but i'm happy with it.

Do you realize how sick and brainwashed you guys have become assuming everyone not liking Trump as "hating America"?
(Last time I checked, at least when I still lived in the US, you could be Dem OR Rep, or even liberal and for FUCK'S SAKE even "socialist", and still be proud American and proud of that you an have a free opinion, incl. voting in one way or the other. When has this changed? OH WAIT, it has changed when the orange fucktard and his imbeciles came to the scene where now everyone who is not thinking like them is supposed to "hating America". You are ONE sad pack of idiots...my ass.)

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Can we agree that undocumented people voting is some non-zero number? How many undocumented (illegal alien) votes? That is another question.

In the criminal justice system, our own federal and state laws and the basis of British common law and Roman law, we have evolved a standard of evidence favoring the accused. We are willing to let the guilty go free by mistake, rather than convict the innocent.

In the realm of science, there is no dead certainty, nor is there a bias of the kind when we discuss Truth with a Judicial Notice. It is True that Zimmerman was "not guilty," but there is some noticeable degree of uncertainty as to whether he was innocent.

Take the entire frenzy that began with Benghazi. 4 dead of which 3 had a well-trained history in the military. A tragedy, based on bad intelligence, risk-taking, and basically a worthy objective of establishing relations with a country that supplies a certain grade of oil to Europe.

When the barracks of 200+ marines was blown up in Beirut in 1983, did we impeach Reagan? But the Benghazi hearings were not a non-partisan commission; they were a purely political legislative witch-hunt, and a manufactured propaganda event of deliberately permanent duration. By scratching the scab over and over and over, the so-called liberal media echoed it to people who only got their facts from the media, and repetition prevailed over "no THERE there."

The argument and false justification that there is extensive voter fraud cannot be proven by the statistics. the statistics summarize what has been discovered; it may miss something that isn't discovered; but the statistics will indicate the likelihood that there are more or less of those. The way the system works in local precincts and districts, the number of fraud cases in this election could probably be counted on one or two hands. As anecdotes, some of them are hilariously absurd -- including a Trump voter who tried to vote twice.

 

[trenchfoot]

Do you realize how sick and brainwashed you guys have become assuming everyone not liking Trump as "hating America"?
(Last time I checked, at least when I still lived in the US, you could be Dem OR Rep, or even liberal and for FUCK'S SAKE even "socialist", and still be proud American and proud of that you an have a free opinion, incl. voting in one way or the other. When has this changed? OH WAIT, it has changed when the orange fucktard and his imbeciles came to the scene where now everyone who is not thinking like them is supposed to "hating America". You are ONE sad pack of idiots...my ass.)

The whole problem revolves around the Repub's efforts to re-brand Trump into some kind of passable example of a president, but given the distasteful notoriety that Trump has/had garnered for himself, well it's going to take a whole lot more effort on their part than simply slapping lipstick on the proverbial pig. It's a really difficult task for them to turn his notorious persona into something that they can point to the world with some kind of......pride?

So the go-to shtick is to demonize the Dems into a lower form of life than the guy they're tasked to defend, and that guy is Trump, so you know how low they have go to do that. As proof, let's harken back to the time when Trumps' worst enemies were the guys from his own party, with the rest of the nation simply sitting back and watching in awe at how the Repubs were tearing into each other, and how that melee finally coalesced into a concerted effort to destroy Trump the moment it looked like he was in the lead. That's factual history right there, that's Trump at his worst (or best, given how he won the big one).

All of those nasty and mean things the establishment Repubs said about him? Well, these prominent Repubs were right about most of what they were branding Trump as because Trump being himself was providing his competition with all the ammunition they needed. And at that time there was hardly a shout from the peanut gallery in defense of Trump's unacceptable behavior and outlandish remarks. At that point in time he was toxic. From the unsavory flavor and aroma that he lent to their primary contest, Trump attracted to himself the extremist nutjob base of that party, the white supremacists, the zealots.....and they all gave him their blessing. It wasn't his professionalism or decorum or statesmanship that attracted the base to him, as a matter of fact it was just the opposite kind of behavior that did it.

That stink he lent to their primary is still with us to this very day. I mean, just look at his cabinet picks. The only guy whose name lends any kind of credibility to their selection process is Romney. Almost all of the remainder are folks that think and act just like Trump. Now who needs that?

This is Trump. He is who he is, as he was in the past, as he is in the present and will be into our questionable future as a nation.

His supporters can deny this at their own peril, but then denial seems to be one of their strong suits, no?

 

[sportage]

Trump will be great.
He'll build a wall (or is it now a fence?).
Ten million Hispanic-Americans will be deported back to ??? Ames Iowa?
Obamacare will be annihilated, but we will still have 59 cent taco Tuesdays.
Finally... a new fashion look for the Summer season, white hoodies with eye holes.
And marriage for gays will be banned, but we will still have 59 cent taco Tuesdays.
So, it won't be so bad.
Taco anyone?

 

[agent00f]

Evidence?

Can we agree that undocumented people voting is some non-zero number? How many undocumented (illegal alien) votes? That is another question.

Don't bother. He can't accept that his preferred party gets the majority of the representation in government with the fewer votes from the American people so he's grasping at straws. The EC may be one thing but the constitution doesn't say anything about having to gerrymander the house districts.

Only if you count the illegal vote, but regardless if you support those votes or not, our Republic and our Constitution says that Trump is our President-Elect and will take office Jan. 20th as long as he gets 270+ electoral college votes. You may not like our Constitution and the legal and lawful rules we live by, but that's the way it is.

Just a heads up that most of these people don't actually believe there's significant # illegal voters. They're just willfully repeating a lie in order to win. Like if it influences 1 person out of 100 or even 100 they've done their faithful duty, similar to spam emails.

Liberals lose because they assume these people are good, only misled, and thus use the wrong strategy to deal with that kind of situation. Just as you don't deal with nigerian princes by writing back to inform them why they're mistaken.

 

[compuwiz1]

Trump is considering General James Mattis (retired), for Secretary of Defense. This is a man I know personally. He grew up where I used to live. Being a Marine veteran from 1st Marine Division, we met again during my tenure in the Marine Corps.
Yeah, Trump always talks about having the best people, but on this one, he absolutely has top drawer, if he picks Gen. Mattis. His resume is most impressive, as you will see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mattis

 

[Muse]

Question for the patriots. With someone in the White House who is a racist, molesting, rapacious sexual predator, who speaks favorably of Jeffrey Epstein, is America still the greatest country in the world?

Loaded question, but still, I want to know how the lads who think of America, as being God's gift to the world, view this necrotic debacle.

TBH, I think that it's absurd to view America as the greatest country in the world. I used to think it was quite possible, and maybe it was. Today, however, consider:

Never had a female head of state (i.e. backward)

No universal health care, the only advanced nation to fail at this.

Disappearing middle class (where did it go? The standard of living is sinking)

Just elected a head of state whose primary appeal is that he will refuse to be politically correct. Wow, every goddamn thing he does will be a mistake, bank on it. He does not read books, he can't use a computer. He has his family involved because he's incompetent without some major help at his elbow. His personal predilections are contrary to the requirements of his hugely demanding job. It's going to be a disaster, yes indeed, a train wreck. And who's responsible for this happening? Gerrymandering and an antiquated electoral college system aside, it still wouldn't have been possible without the votes of some 60 million or so undiscerning citizens. Great? Not. I've heard it said that great civilizations enjoy 3 phases: Ascent, a protracted middle period and a descent into corruption and ultimate downfall, and that the USA is unique in that the middle phase never happened.

 

[compuwiz1]

TBH, I think that it's absurd to view America as the greatest country in the world. I used to think it was quite possible, and maybe it was. However, consider:

Never had a female head of state (i.e. backward)
No universal health care, the only advanced nation to fail at this.
Disappearing middle class (where did it go? The standard of living is sinking)
Just elected a head of state whose primary appeal is that he will refuse to be politically correct. Wow, every goddamn thing he does will be a mistake, bank on it.

All the shit you're whining about, is exactly why Trump was elected. We don't care about that shit, with the exception being the erosion of the middle class. You might, but most of us don't. Country over party!

 

[agent00f]

All the shit you're whining about, is exactly why Trump was elected. We don't care about that shit, with the exception being the erosion of the middle class. You might, but most of us don't. Country over party!

Of course by "country" you mean Real Americans, not the rest who are only good for bilking for handouts.

 

[compuwiz1]

Of course by "country" you mean Real Americans, not the rest who are only good for bilking for handouts.

You might be onto something. I'd rather have leadership that empowers people, rather than creates dependency on government. There are people who expect our country to do for them, when they could do for themselves. i am not angry at people, who genuinely need help. I am pissed at the Americans who are capable of producing something, but choose not to. It's a learned behavior, in fact, a generational habit, for some.

 

[Jhhnn]

Can we agree that undocumented people voting is some non-zero number? How many undocumented (illegal alien) votes? That is another question.

Non-zero & significant aren't the same thing. You merely reference one of the great conspiracy theories of the right wing.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Do you realize how sick and brainwashed you guys have become assuming everyone not liking Trump as "hating America"?
(Last time I checked, at least when I still lived in the US, you could be Dem OR Rep, or even liberal and for FUCK'S SAKE even "socialist", and still be proud American and proud of that you an have a free opinion, incl. voting in one way or the other. When has this changed? OH WAIT, it has changed when the orange fucktard and his imbeciles came to the scene where now everyone who is not thinking like them is supposed to "hating America". You are ONE sad pack of idiots...my ass.)

It's not her political stand, it's the fact she hates our Constitution and our laws that puts her in the "Hate America" crowd.

 

[Sonikku]

You might be onto something. I'd rather have leadership that empowers people, rather than creates dependency on government. There are people who expect our country to do for them, when they could do for themselves. i am not angry at people, who genuinely need help. I am pissed at the Americans who are capable of producing something, but choose not to. It's a learned behavior, in fact, a generational habit, for some.

If you want leadership that empowers people rather than create dependency on government then you're SOL, Comp. Dems are for welfare and wealth redistribution, but so too is the GoP. They merely prefer welfare of a different sort. Maybe back in the 90's the GoP was for less welfare and less wealth redistribution, but that party is dead. The GoP today collects taxes from the many and redistributes them to the rich through extremely lucrative government contracts and subsidies to the military complex, big oil, big pharm and so forth. The lion's share of their tax cuts have gone to the rich with tax cuts to other brackets utterly paling in comparison.

Dems want welfare for the poor, Republicans want welfare for the rich. If your interest is in backing a party against excessive welfare and dependence you better make a time machine because no such party exists in the here and now despite any words to the contrary.

 

[IronWing]

It's not her political stand, it's the fact she hates our Constitution and our laws that puts her in the "Hate America" crowd.

Derp.