are we conservative? with poll

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative (which is really liberal, since I support fiscal FREEDOM)

Your poll is lacking an appropriate choice for me.

The political spectrum is not so simplistic.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative (which is really liberal, since I support fiscal FREEDOM)

Your poll is lacking an appropriate choice for me.

The political spectrum is not so simplistic.

To left wing liberals, you are considered a right wing conspirator.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Freeper

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative (which is really liberal, since I support fiscal FREEDOM)

Your poll is lacking an appropriate choice for me.

The political spectrum is not so simplistic.

To left wing liberals, you are considered a right wing conspirator.

And he's probably considered a Left Wing Liberal to you guys

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
The party system is a major downfall in American politics. I would be embarrassed to label myself part of any party.

I agree. The party system, that ancient relic of the medieval courtier system, really does not belong in modern politics.

George Washington IMO said it best is his farewell address:

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Every single test I've taken puts me in the middle socially, and crazy liberal financially (in other words people/business should do whatever they want when it comes to money).

Capitalist FTW!

You are extreme right wing by every definition I have ever heard. At least that's the impression I get.

Not at all. He's just a hardcore capitalist.

Capitalism BTW was a term coined by Karl Marx. Prior to that, it was known as the Liberal Theory of Economics. Just FYI.

I'm a capitalist too (well I'm certainly not a communist) but I'm not talking about economic policy.

He dislikes foreigners simply because of their place of birth and language and the color of their skin, he pimps America like it's the holy grail, he posts against gays, denies global warming...

If that ain't extreme right nationalism I don't know what is...

Not that I have anything against you as a person spidey... but yea...

Loving your country doesn't make you a nationalist.

No, this sort of thing:

"WTF! What are you smoking? We ARE the western world, europe is the tag along.

No. We are the single, most powerful, best country on the planet and will remain that way. This kind of euro-elitist crap is what ticks me off. We saved your butts so many times it isn't even funny."

makes you a nationalist.

Another one for a quick search:

"What confuses me is how lazy europeans are."

Yea just all of us...

Nor does being against illegal immigration (and America is far and away the most lenient country in the world when it comes to that).

Hating illegal immigration is one thing, degrading Britain's role in WWII is entirely another.

"Denies global warming"? Dude, you need to get your head on straight. You say it like a fundie accusing someone of denying Jesus Christ. Global warming is a scientific theory, not a religious dogma. Kindly don't treat it as such. Science is like a good democracy, where dissent is the very essence of what makes it work.

There are those that deny humans are causing all of the warming (perfectly fine), those who deny humans are causing any the warming (evidence points to no), and there are those who deny warming is taking place at all (pure illogical rubbish). Pretty sure he's the middle or latter option.

I'm not comfortable talking about him behind his back so I hope he posts soon or I'll stop...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Freeper

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative (which is really liberal, since I support fiscal FREEDOM)

Your poll is lacking an appropriate choice for me.

The political spectrum is not so simplistic.

To left wing liberals, you are considered a right wing conspirator.

And he's probably considered a Left Wing Liberal to you guys

:thumbsup:

My uncle is considered a staunch conservative by the rest of my family (98% liberal-Democrat; no wingnuts that I can think of). However, in his environs of SC, his cronies consider him the most liberal person they know. Go figure...that state continued to elect Strom, even after the decomposition process had begun on his gas-filled corpse decades before his "death."

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Freeper

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative (which is really liberal, since I support fiscal FREEDOM)

Your poll is lacking an appropriate choice for me.

The political spectrum is not so simplistic.

To left wing liberals, you are considered a right wing conspirator.

And he's probably considered a Left Wing Liberal to you guys

:thumbsup:

My uncle is considered a staunch conservative by the rest of my family (98% liberal-Democrat; no wingnuts that I can think of). However, in his environs of SC, his cronies consider him the most liberal person they know. Go figure...that state continued to elect Strom, even after the decomposition process had begun on his gas-filled corpse decades before his "death."

The problem is that the issue is just not as cut-and-dried simple as most internet debaters want to make it. Consider this: my father is politically just a touch to the left of Moonbeam (seriously). Yet at 74, he still has his CCW, trains regularly at the range to keep it, and carries most everywhere he goes. OTOH, the father-in-law of one of my brothers is a hardcore life-long right-wing Republican. Yet he's never owned a gun in his life and I doubt he even knows how to shoot one.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. My dentist is a staunch lifelong Republican, but hates GW with a passion and is a rabid atheist.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem is that the issue is just not as cut-and-dried simple as most internet debaters want to make it. Consider this: my father is politically just a touch to the left of Moonbeam (seriously). Yet at 74, he still has his CCW, trains regularly at the range to keep it, and carries most everywhere he goes. OTOH, the father-in-law of one of my brothers is a hardcore life-long right-wing Republican. Yet he's never owned a gun in his life and I doubt he even knows how to shoot one.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. My dentist is a staunch lifelong Republican, but hates GW with a passion and is a rabid atheist.

Yea but weapons are really only associated with conservatism in America, it's not 'normal' - e.g. in Switzerland everyone has a gun, but where I grew up almost no one did except farmers, who tended to be lefties because they liked their subsidies. I'm a social leftie (I suppose) and I have a couple of swords and other martial arts weapons.

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
This is not the kind of question that ferrets out how people really think. It's the situational questions, like most of the OPs other polls, that tend to show the real leanings of the folks here.

Post multiple questions about various issues and you'll see the true face of the forum.

I have tried to post multiple question polls and my thread got locked.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem is that the issue is just not as cut-and-dried simple as most internet debaters want to make it. Consider this: my father is politically just a touch to the left of Moonbeam (seriously). Yet at 74, he still has his CCW, trains regularly at the range to keep it, and carries most everywhere he goes. OTOH, the father-in-law of one of my brothers is a hardcore life-long right-wing Republican. Yet he's never owned a gun in his life and I doubt he even knows how to shoot one.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. My dentist is a staunch lifelong Republican, but hates GW with a passion and is a rabid atheist.

Yea but weapons are really only associated with conservatism in America - e.g. in Switzerland everyone has a gun, but where I grew up almost no one did except farmers, who tended to be lefties because they liked their subsidies. I'm a social leftie (I suppose) and I have a couple of swords and other martial arts weapons.

Like I said, it's just not cut-and-dried simple like most debaters on the internet like to make it.

 

[clamum]

I suppose if you wanted to put a label on it, I'm closest to Libertarian. I tend to lean a little more liberal than conservative though.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem is that the issue is just not as cut-and-dried simple as most internet debaters want to make it. Consider this: my father is politically just a touch to the left of Moonbeam (seriously). Yet at 74, he still has his CCW, trains regularly at the range to keep it, and carries most everywhere he goes. OTOH, the father-in-law of one of my brothers is a hardcore life-long right-wing Republican. Yet he's never owned a gun in his life and I doubt he even knows how to shoot one.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. My dentist is a staunch lifelong Republican, but hates GW with a passion and is a rabid atheist.

Yea but weapons are really only associated with conservatism in America, it's not 'normal' - e.g. in Switzerland everyone has a gun, but where I grew up almost no one did except farmers, who tended to be lefties because they liked their subsidies. I'm a social leftie (I suppose) and I have a couple of swords and other martial arts weapons.

Um, sorry, but you're wrong. Invariably the gun-grabbing activists in the US are leftists. And the NRA is overwhelmingly conservative/libertarian.

 

[eakers]

I am conservative by Canadian standards and liberal by American.

Does that make sense?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem is that the issue is just not as cut-and-dried simple as most internet debaters want to make it. Consider this: my father is politically just a touch to the left of Moonbeam (seriously). Yet at 74, he still has his CCW, trains regularly at the range to keep it, and carries most everywhere he goes. OTOH, the father-in-law of one of my brothers is a hardcore life-long right-wing Republican. Yet he's never owned a gun in his life and I doubt he even knows how to shoot one.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. My dentist is a staunch lifelong Republican, but hates GW with a passion and is a rabid atheist.

Yea but weapons are really only associated with conservatism in America, it's not 'normal' - e.g. in Switzerland everyone has a gun, but where I grew up almost no one did except farmers, who tended to be lefties because they liked their subsidies. I'm a social leftie (I suppose) and I have a couple of swords and other martial arts weapons.

Um, sorry, but you're wrong. Invariably the gun-grabbing activists in the US are leftists. And the NRA is overwhelmingly conservative/libertarian.

I don't think you read my post...

 

[RichUK]

My vote goes to labour, :shocked:

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: RichUK
My vote goes to labour, :shocked:

Teh Gordon? Surely not.

On the other hand Cameron is Anti-EU, which I can't abide, so that's not an option either.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Vic
The problem is that the issue is just not as cut-and-dried simple as most internet debaters want to make it. Consider this: my father is politically just a touch to the left of Moonbeam (seriously). Yet at 74, he still has his CCW, trains regularly at the range to keep it, and carries most everywhere he goes. OTOH, the father-in-law of one of my brothers is a hardcore life-long right-wing Republican. Yet he's never owned a gun in his life and I doubt he even knows how to shoot one.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. My dentist is a staunch lifelong Republican, but hates GW with a passion and is a rabid atheist.

Yea but weapons are really only associated with conservatism in America, it's not 'normal' - e.g. in Switzerland everyone has a gun, but where I grew up almost no one did except farmers, who tended to be lefties because they liked their subsidies. I'm a social leftie (I suppose) and I have a couple of swords and other martial arts weapons.

Um, sorry, but you're wrong. Invariably the gun-grabbing activists in the US are leftists. And the NRA is overwhelmingly conservative/libertarian.

I don't think you read my post...

Oops, sorry. I read your post wrong.

 

[hjo3]

Mildly conservative libertarian.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Newreper

Originally posted by: Freeper

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative (which is really liberal, since I support fiscal FREEDOM)

Your poll is lacking an appropriate choice for me.

The political spectrum is not so simplistic.

To left wing liberals, you are considered a right wing conspirator.

And he's probably considered a Left Wing Liberal to you guys

No, he's considered libertarian.

 

[JS80]

In a Utopian capitalistic democracy, the two party system would consist of the Libertarian Party vs Conservative Republican Party. A man can dream...

 

[Conky]

I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

What this means is that I don't care what you do in your private life just don't use my taxes to pay for it.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Conky
I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

What this means is that I don't care what you do in your private life just don't use my taxes to pay for it.

u r a libertarian

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Conky
I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

What this means is that I don't care what you do in your private life just don't use my taxes to pay for it.

u r a libertarian

No

 

[SearchMaster]

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Conky
I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

What this means is that I don't care what you do in your private life just don't use my taxes to pay for it.

u r a libertarian

No

That's a simplistic but somewhat accepted definition of Libertarianism. What's your objection?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: SearchMaster

Originally posted by: Conky

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Conky
I consider myself fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

What this means is that I don't care what you do in your private life just don't use my taxes to pay for it.

u r a libertarian

No

That's a simplistic but somewhat accepted definition of Libertarianism. What's your objection?

Maybe he's an anarchist