Are we boned? Yes, we're boned.

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

i get ya, but throw in the massive depletion of useful agricultural land due to land clearing (salt) and the mass extinction of native animals i really start to wonder...only time will tell i guess.

oh well *knocks back another glass of red*

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

i get ya, but throw in the massive depletion of useful agricultural land due to land clearing (salt) and the mass extinction of native animals i really start to wonder...only time will tell i guess.

oh well *knocks back another glass of red*

Animals have gone extinct since the start of time. If the greenies were alive 65 million years ago we'd still have dinosaurs. :roll:

And the world is in NO danger of running out of food, or the land in which to produce it. None.

 

[smc13]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

The Millennium Ecosystem Assessment

It sounds like they already made up their mind before they even started their survey.

I'm not a reader of BBC, but just looking at the front page, it looks like a sensationlist newspaper.

BBC stands for british broadcasting corporation. It is owned by British Government but it is much different then the US's public broadcasting. It has many channels and it news organization is on par with CNN or FOX News (if not better). It is somewhat to the left but it gives an interesting perspective on the news.

 

[Goosemaster]

Joe Black: Don't be feisty, sista.
Jamaican Woman: I not be feisty mista. You com' for me that's good news.
Joe Black: Can do no right by people. I com' to take you you want to stay - I leave you stay, you want to go.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

Damn right

FACT: A single Volcano eruption does more damage to the Ozone layer than a whole year of California traffic.

and does this happen year after year, except on a massive scale in every single country? No, i think not 😛 It's the combination of all these factors, ozone layer depletion, massive land clearing, erosion and salting, pollution of the air and waterways, CO release, that has NEVER happened before, and you gotta be pretty optimistic to think the earth will take it all no problems...

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: dug777
the mass extinction of native animals i really start to wonder

Name one.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: dug777
the mass extinction of native animals i really start to wonder

Name one.

thylacine motherfvucka 😛

EDIT: try this:

Australia unfortunately provides too many striking examples of an increased rate of extinction since the arrival of Europeans. In only 200 years, 18 species of endemic mammals have become extinct (7 per cent of the total). This is half of all the mammal species that have become extinct worldwide in historical times.

About 100 species of vascular plants, 0.8 per cent of the total, have become extinct, the overwhelming majority having occurred in areas cleared for farming. Of the plant species presumed extinct in Western Australia (1.4 per cent of the State's flora), 90 per cent occurred in the agricultural lands of the south-west corner of the State. It is likely that some species of plants disappeared before they could be collected and named by scientists.

from http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf...ee27f1682ca2569de00267e45?OpenDocument

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

Damn right

FACT: A single Volcano eruption does more damage to the Ozone layer than a whole year of California traffic.

and does this happen year after year, except on a massive scale in every single country? No, i think not 😛 It's the combination of all these factors, ozone layer depletion, massive land clearing, erosion and salting, pollution of the air and waterways, CO release, that has NEVER happened before, and you gotta be pretty optimistic to think the earth will take it all no problems...

Another hint:

We have NEVER witnessed an "intact" Ozone layer. There has, for as long as we've looked, been a hole over the South Pole during the winter months.

And that MAKES SENSE. Why? Because it is sunlight that creates Ozone and there is NO SUNLIGHT over the poles in their winter. Add to that the fact that the South Pole gets less weather than the north (parts of the south pole are the driest on earth), and of COURSE Ozone will deplete.

But you bleat their chicken little stories like a good little sheep.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

Damn right

FACT: A single Volcano eruption does more damage to the Ozone layer than a whole year of California traffic.

and does this happen year after year, except on a massive scale in every single country? No, i think not 😛 It's the combination of all these factors, ozone layer depletion, massive land clearing, erosion and salting, pollution of the air and waterways, CO release, that has NEVER happened before, and you gotta be pretty optimistic to think the earth will take it all no problems...

Another hint:

We have NEVER witnessed an "intact" Ozone layer. There has, for as long as we've looked, been a hole over the South Pole during the winter months.

And that MAKES SENSE. Why? Because it is sunlight that creates Ozone and there is NO SUNLIGHT over the poles in their winter. Add to that the fact that the South Pole gets less weather than the north (parts of the south pole are the driest on earth), and of COURSE Ozone will deplete.

But you bleat their chicken little stories like a good little sheep.

you've proved yourself to be a biased idiot with that one guv 🙂

It is an internationally accepted fact that ozone layer damage occurred on a large scale, and was caused by us (CFCs mainly), why would countries all over the world stop using them (even the US)?

One-eyed BS from you perhaps?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

Damn right

FACT: A single Volcano eruption does more damage to the Ozone layer than a whole year of California traffic.

and does this happen year after year, except on a massive scale in every single country? No, i think not 😛 It's the combination of all these factors, ozone layer depletion, massive land clearing, erosion and salting, pollution of the air and waterways, CO release, that has NEVER happened before, and you gotta be pretty optimistic to think the earth will take it all no problems...

Another hint:

We have NEVER witnessed an "intact" Ozone layer. There has, for as long as we've looked, been a hole over the South Pole during the winter months.

And that MAKES SENSE. Why? Because it is sunlight that creates Ozone and there is NO SUNLIGHT over the poles in their winter. Add to that the fact that the South Pole gets less weather than the north (parts of the south pole are the driest on earth), and of COURSE Ozone will deplete.

But you bleat their chicken little stories like a good little sheep.

you've proved yourself to be a biased idiot with that one guv 🙂

It is an internationally accepted fact that ozone layer damage occurred on a large scale, and was caused by us (CFCs mainly), why would countries all over the world stop using them (even the US)?

One-eyed BS from you perhaps?

Um, A consensus does not make a "fact."

And look at ANY time lapse video of the "Ozone hole" over the south pole. You will note that it grows and shrinks with the seasons.

You will also note that, since we started looking at it, there has been NO trend. The hole has grown and shrunk randomly.

And, yet again, you will note that humans have NEVER witnessed an Ozone layer that does not deplete during the winter months over the south pole.

Rather than listening like a sheep, actually question what you hear and listen to other viewpoints.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: dug777
you've proved yourself to be a biased idiot with that one guv 🙂

It is an internationally accepted fact that ozone layer damage occurred on a large scale, and was caused by us (CFCs mainly), why would countries all over the world stop using them (even the US)?

One-eyed BS from you perhaps?

Biased? Amused? hah Coming from you, that should be a compliment.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: smc13
So what? Some UN group is saying the environment might have problems in 50 years. This is supposed to bother me?

Not unless you're a blind fool, like most people. There are three groups of people:

1) .5% of the population that recognizes we're killing ourselves, and does something about it.
2) 19.5% of the population that recognizes we're killing ourselves and says "this sucks" and does nothing about it
3) 80% of the population that is moronic and thinks that we're not destroying the planet on which we live. Almost all industry is not self sustaining, and we're cranking through finite resources while at the same time polluting the sh*t out of the world.

Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

Actually, the saddest thing is that people pluck out cases where scientists have been wrong, and use this to indicate that they always will be. Scientists are usually wrong about things; most inventions or examples of progress are created on a pile of earlier defeat. It's no longer debatable among most of the world's scientists that we are in fact having an affect on our environment. Oil IS running out. Lakes ARE being polluted. Trees ARE being cut down.

It's easier to sleep at night by dismissing all of this, but in a world where we all reap the benefits of science's creations (cars, computers, electronics), why do we so easily want to dismiss them when they say something we don't like?

I'm not a reader of BBC, but just looking at the front page, it looks like a sensationlist newspaper.

That's like saying CNN is senstationalist. BBC is not Britain's version of drudgereport.

e Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

So we're unable to affect any change? It's all cyclical, and we're just being taken along for a ride?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

Actually, the saddest thing is that people pluck out cases where scientists have been wrong, and use this to indicate that they always will be. Scientists are usually wrong about things; most inventions or examples of progress are created on a pile of earlier defeat. It's no longer debatable among most of the world's scientists that we are in fact having an affect on our environment. Oil IS running out. Lakes ARE being polluted. Trees ARE being cut down.

Trees are a renewable resource, and we have MORE of them now than we did when we settled the country.

We'll find something else to power our stuff when oil runs out.

Our lakes and waterways are CLEANER than they were just a couple decades ago, and getting cleaner all the time.

Can things be improved? Sure, they always can.

Do we need sensationalist chicken littles screaming about the end of the world? No.

You must understand, it's the chicken little part I disagree with. It's sensationalist crap.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

Damn right

FACT: A single Volcano eruption does more damage to the Ozone layer than a whole year of California traffic.

and does this happen year after year, except on a massive scale in every single country? No, i think not 😛 It's the combination of all these factors, ozone layer depletion, massive land clearing, erosion and salting, pollution of the air and waterways, CO release, that has NEVER happened before, and you gotta be pretty optimistic to think the earth will take it all no problems...

Another hint:

We have NEVER witnessed an "intact" Ozone layer. There has, for as long as we've looked, been a hole over the South Pole during the winter months.

And that MAKES SENSE. Why? Because it is sunlight that creates Ozone and there is NO SUNLIGHT over the poles in their winter. Add to that the fact that the South Pole gets less weather than the north (parts of the south pole are the driest on earth), and of COURSE Ozone will deplete.

But you bleat their chicken little stories like a good little sheep.

you've proved yourself to be a biased idiot with that one guv 🙂

It is an internationally accepted fact that ozone layer damage occurred on a large scale, and was caused by us (CFCs mainly), why would countries all over the world stop using them (even the US)?

One-eyed BS from you perhaps?

Um, A consensus does not make a "fact."

And look at ANY time lapse video of the "Ozone hole" over the south pole. You will note that it grows and shrinks with the seasons.

You will also note that, since we started looking at it, there has been NO trend. The hole has grown and shrunk randomly.

And, yet again, you will note that humans have NEVER witnessed an Ozone layer that does not deplete during the winter months over the south pole.

Rather than listening like a sheep, actually question what you hear and listen to other viewpoints.

You are smoking some good stuff if you think there isn't a trend, that has been a FACT, directly connected to the release of CFCs- no way a serious market economy like the US would stop the use of CFCs unless they felt it was a fact...

I listen, and inquire, and the overall feeling of every report you read (with the exception of some rather funny ones that set out to prove there was no global warming, and were academically slammed if i recall correctly..) have indicated that we are having an impact on our planet and its climate, ABOVE and BEYOND the natural cycle...

My 2c.

 

[Electric Amish]

Trees ARE being cut down

Trees ARE being replanted.


I'm with Amused on this one.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
.

e Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

So we're unable to affect any change? It's all cyclical, and we're just being taken along for a ride?

It's not a question of can we, but are we. And no one has proven that we are.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Amused
Trees are a renewable resource, and we have MORE of them now than we did when we settled the country.

We'll find something else to power our stuff when oil runs out.

Our lakes and waterways are CLEANER than they were just a couple decades ago, and getting cleaner all the time.

Can things be improved? Sure, they always can.

Do we need sensationalist chicken littles screaming about the end of the world? No.

You must understand, it's the chicken little part I disagree with. It's sensationalist crap.

So are we in fact making the world better, spreading life around and leaving it in better shape than when we got here?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: dug777
you've proved yourself to be a biased idiot with that one guv 🙂

It is an internationally accepted fact that ozone layer damage occurred on a large scale, and was caused by us (CFCs mainly), why would countries all over the world stop using them (even the US)?

One-eyed BS from you perhaps?

Biased? Amused? hah Coming from you, that should be a compliment.

You're a total dick 😛

I have'nt been one-eyed about ne-thing, just stated examples from around me, FOOL 🙂

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: dug777
the mass extinction of native animals i really start to wonder

Name one.

thylacine motherfvucka 😛

http://users.aristotle.net/~swarmack/thylacin.html

A thylacin population has been discovered in western australia. Try again. And with animals, not plants. Or at least name 2, because you did say "mass" extinction.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

Damn right

FACT: A single Volcano eruption does more damage to the Ozone layer than a whole year of California traffic.

and does this happen year after year, except on a massive scale in every single country? No, i think not 😛 It's the combination of all these factors, ozone layer depletion, massive land clearing, erosion and salting, pollution of the air and waterways, CO release, that has NEVER happened before, and you gotta be pretty optimistic to think the earth will take it all no problems...

Another hint:

We have NEVER witnessed an "intact" Ozone layer. There has, for as long as we've looked, been a hole over the South Pole during the winter months.

And that MAKES SENSE. Why? Because it is sunlight that creates Ozone and there is NO SUNLIGHT over the poles in their winter. Add to that the fact that the South Pole gets less weather than the north (parts of the south pole are the driest on earth), and of COURSE Ozone will deplete.

But you bleat their chicken little stories like a good little sheep.

you've proved yourself to be a biased idiot with that one guv 🙂

It is an internationally accepted fact that ozone layer damage occurred on a large scale, and was caused by us (CFCs mainly), why would countries all over the world stop using them (even the US)?

One-eyed BS from you perhaps?

Um, A consensus does not make a "fact."

And look at ANY time lapse video of the "Ozone hole" over the south pole. You will note that it grows and shrinks with the seasons.

You will also note that, since we started looking at it, there has been NO trend. The hole has grown and shrunk randomly.

And, yet again, you will note that humans have NEVER witnessed an Ozone layer that does not deplete during the winter months over the south pole.

Rather than listening like a sheep, actually question what you hear and listen to other viewpoints.

You are smoking some good stuff if you think there isn't a trend, that has been a FACT, directly connected to the release of CFCs- no way a serious market economy like the US would stop the use of CFCs unless they felt it was a fact...

I listen, and inquire, and the overall feeling of every report you read (with the exception of some rather funny ones that set out to prove there was no global warming, and were academically slammed if i recall correctly..) have indicated that we are having an impact on our planet and its climate, ABOVE and BEYOND the natural cycle...

My 2c.

More sheep.

Show me proof of the Ozone layer changing in direct correlation with human activities.

Show me proof that the ozone layer was EVER intact over the South Pole in the winter months.

If you make a claim, you must back it up. Both you, and the activists you parrot have NONE.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Amused
Trees are a renewable resource, and we have MORE of them now than we did when we settled the country.

We'll find something else to power our stuff when oil runs out.

Our lakes and waterways are CLEANER than they were just a couple decades ago, and getting cleaner all the time.

Can things be improved? Sure, they always can.

Do we need sensationalist chicken littles screaming about the end of the world? No.

You must understand, it's the chicken little part I disagree with. It's sensationalist crap.

So are we in fact making the world better, spreading life around and leaving it in better shape than when we got here?

No, we are adapting the world to serve us better. Taking life where it's not needed and preserving it where it is.

At any rate, we are NOT destroying it

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: dug777
the mass extinction of native animals i really start to wonder

Name one.

thylacine motherfvucka 😛

http://users.aristotle.net/~swarmack/thylacin.html

A thylacin population has been discovered in western australia. Try again. And with animals, not plants. Or at least name 2, because you did say "mass" extinction.

i edited my post if you bothered to look, including animals 😛

and there is no way a legit tassie tiger pop. was discovered in my own state, that would be front page news for weeks (not to mention there is a large vash prize for such a find)

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, the saddest thing is, people believe this chicken little bullsh!t.

Most of you aren't old enough, but the greenies have been pulling this "the sky is falling" bullsh!t for decades. NONE of their short-term doom predictions come true, and they end up with egg on their face.

Folks, what you have here is the greenie version of the religious nutball screaming about the end of the world.

that was true decades ago, but for example, we have seen significant climate change in WA in the last 20 years- right on line with government (CSIRO) predictions...

think of it sensibly, does it seem like the planet can survive long-term, as we know it, with a massive proportion of its ecosystems changed beyond all recognition?

Newsflash:

The Earth's Climate has been changing ever since it formed. It was NEVER in a static state. Some of the historic changes were drastic and... get this... within a century.

Damn right

FACT: A single Volcano eruption does more damage to the Ozone layer than a whole year of California traffic.

and does this happen year after year, except on a massive scale in every single country? No, i think not 😛 It's the combination of all these factors, ozone layer depletion, massive land clearing, erosion and salting, pollution of the air and waterways, CO release, that has NEVER happened before, and you gotta be pretty optimistic to think the earth will take it all no problems...

Another hint:

We have NEVER witnessed an "intact" Ozone layer. There has, for as long as we've looked, been a hole over the South Pole during the winter months.

And that MAKES SENSE. Why? Because it is sunlight that creates Ozone and there is NO SUNLIGHT over the poles in their winter. Add to that the fact that the South Pole gets less weather than the north (parts of the south pole are the driest on earth), and of COURSE Ozone will deplete.

But you bleat their chicken little stories like a good little sheep.

you've proved yourself to be a biased idiot with that one guv 🙂

It is an internationally accepted fact that ozone layer damage occurred on a large scale, and was caused by us (CFCs mainly), why would countries all over the world stop using them (even the US)?

One-eyed BS from you perhaps?

Um, A consensus does not make a "fact."

And look at ANY time lapse video of the "Ozone hole" over the south pole. You will note that it grows and shrinks with the seasons.

You will also note that, since we started looking at it, there has been NO trend. The hole has grown and shrunk randomly.

And, yet again, you will note that humans have NEVER witnessed an Ozone layer that does not deplete during the winter months over the south pole.

Rather than listening like a sheep, actually question what you hear and listen to other viewpoints.

You are smoking some good stuff if you think there isn't a trend, that has been a FACT, directly connected to the release of CFCs- no way a serious market economy like the US would stop the use of CFCs unless they felt it was a fact...

I listen, and inquire, and the overall feeling of every report you read (with the exception of some rather funny ones that set out to prove there was no global warming, and were academically slammed if i recall correctly..) have indicated that we are having an impact on our planet and its climate, ABOVE and BEYOND the natural cycle...

My 2c.

More sheep.

Show me proof of the Ozone layer changing in direct correlation with human activities.

Show me proof that the ozone layer was EVER intact over the South Pole in the winter months.

If you make a claim, you must back it up. Both you, and the activists you parrot have NONE.

then explain the international ban on CFCs, and the hundreds, if not thousands of pieces of work that found ozone layer depletion was changing in direct correlation with human activities....

i'm no parrot, and if the world's largest economy does something against the face of business economics, there's gotta be a reason...

 

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Originally posted by: dug777

then explain the international ban on CFCs, and the hundreds, if not thousands of pieces of work that found ozone layer depletion was changing in direct correlation with human activities....

i'm no parrot, and if the world's largest economy does something against the face of business economics, there's gotta be a reason...

Knee Jerk Reactionism based on bad scientific theory.

Explain the ban on Silicone breast implants and the bankruptcy of Dow over lawsuits claiming a myriad of diseases caused by them... even though it was proven to all be false?

Also, when are you going to realize that an argument to popular opinion or consensus is NOT a valid debate? Nor is it "proof."

 

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No, we are adapting the world to serve us better. Taking life where it's not needed and preserving it where it is.

At any rate, we are NOT destroying it

Yes, it's adapted to serve us better, but you can't pretend we aren't "destroying" it. We are literally ravaging it for our industry and growth. Are the effects of this bad yet? Maybe, maybe not. But will they be when the world's population is 15 billion and an ever increasing number of those are heavy consumers like the West? Of course. And will we do anything about it then? No, because humans are inherently bad at preservation. For every duck's unlimited member you've got a thousand suv drivers.

Even when things are so bad that the naysayers are convinced we're destroying things, can you honestly claim that we'll immediately hit the brakes on "progress"? Not a freaking chance. I've mentioned the tragedy of the commons before, which I think you called communist or something, but it's still a valid and logical occurance.