Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[DrMrLordX]

Yeah, via pcpartpicker the 3050 is going for around $260-290. Still crazy given that is 1660TI/Super prices from 3 years ago though. 5% perf increase for same money. Yay.

Inflation is a female dog.

 

[In2Photos]

I paid $220 for a Zotac 1660 in May of 2019 and $260 for an MSI 1660 super in November of 2020.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I paid $220 for a Zotac 1660 in May of 2019 and $260 for an MSI 1660 super in November of 2020.

Similar to me, I forgot the exact price but I paid $230-ish for a 1660ti in July or August of 2019.
I feel fortunate to have gotten it right before prices went insane.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

In theory. If I remember right, here in the US the 1660Super stayed at $230 for about two to four weeks before hitting $250-280. After awhile it was buy either the Ti or the Super which ever was cheaper.

I bought a 1660 Super from Best Buy for $240 in May or June 2020 if I remember right, and they had a couple of $230 models too but I wanted the single fan card for $240 since I was thinking of going mini ITX on my next platform upgrade. Which makes me laugh since now I have this ginormous Red Devil 6700 XT that barely fits into my full tower Phanteks Enthoo Pro haha.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Inflation is a female dog.

At first I was thinking can't blame inflation for this one when you can get AMD cards like the 6600 and 6650 XT that massacre the 3050 for $50 to $100 less. Just Nvidia having a near monopoly. Though then again, that's where most of our inflation comes from, eg corporations with little competition making record profits, so maybe the point does hold haha. Can't understand why people run from AMD though, I'm enjoying the hell out of the 6700 XT I got last month and would have cost me $30 more to get a 3060 Ti with a gimpy 8GB of RAM that I don't trust to age worth a crap for the resolutions I play at (1440p/1800p/2160p).

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I bought a 1660 Super from Best Buy for $240 in May or June 2020 if I remember right, and they had a couple of $230 models too but I wanted the single fan card for $240 since I was thinking of going mini ITX on my next platform upgrade. Which makes me laugh since now I have this ginormous Red Devil 6700 XT that barely fits into my full tower Phanteks Enthoo Pro haha.

Hmmm me too, maybe it was 2020….

 

[lopri]

Inflation has been very selective. CPU prices are not more expensive than pre-covid. Both AMD and Intel's offerings are cheaper now. SSD prices and memory prices are on the verge of crashing. But GPU and motherboards are up. Why?

I suspect there is a cartel-like behavior going on inside Taiwan among certain "big" players.

 

[Aapje]

I would definitely welcome an investigation by regulators. Nvidia certainly has such a dominant market share that it is hard to argue that we have healthy competition.

 

[jpiniero]

Inflation has been very selective. CPU prices are not more expensive than pre-covid. Both AMD and Intel's offerings are cheaper now.

AMD was getting huge ASP increases. When it fell to just flat, the client business is now no longer profitable.

 

[coercitiv]

the client business is now no longer profitable.

do you have numbers for this or are you just spitballing everything lately?

 

[jpiniero]

do you have numbers for this or are you just spitballing everything lately?

https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.net/_1787eb5246cf8ffc54927c85deedd967/amd/news/2022-11-01_AMD_Reports_Third_Quarter_2022_Financial_1098.pdf

 

[coercitiv]

https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.net/_1787eb5246cf8ffc54927c85deedd967/amd/news/2022-11-01_AMD_Reports_Third_Quarter_2022_Financial_1098.pdf

From the 2nd page summary:

Operating loss was $64 million, compared to operating income of $948 million, or 22% of revenue, a year ago. The loss was primarily due to the amortization of intangible assets associated with the Xilinx acquisition and increased R&D investments.

Compared to last year they have more than doubled their OPEX, and the increased spending was far more influential than their ASP. Even with their original Zen 4 pricing the situation wouldn't be any better since it's the drop in volumes that hurts the most.

 

[jpiniero]

From the 2nd page summary:

Compared to last year they have more than doubled their OPEX, and the increased spending was far more influential than their ASP. Even with their original Zen 4 pricing the situation wouldn't be any better since it's the drop in volumes that hurts the most.

Look at Page 11. I'm specifically talking about Client.

 

[maddie]

Look at Page 11. I'm specifically talking about Client.

Do you actually believe that these grossly high view accounting data points tell you a company wide accurate account of true costs and spending in the different markets? Costs and revenue are creatively distributed to units so as to present the best picture to Wall St.

Bridge over here, going cheap.

 

[amenx]

AMD, Intel, and Nvidia Reportedly Slash Orders with TSMC

We've heard this several months ago but that Nvidia may have more difficulty than others in re-negotiating their contract. Wonder how this will play out, since they supposedly have several $ billions in wafer orders.

Slashing orders to a contract manufacturer is not trivial since fabless chip designers are obliged to procure a fixed number of wafers in certain quarters. Nevertheless, TSMC is reportedly willing to accept compensation (as it will hold wafers with chips from AMD, Intel, Nvidia, etc., before they are ready to buy them) and even renegotiate deals on long-term supply contracts (i.e., increase the number of wafers that a company is committed to buying in the future) in exchange. Such measures will not make TSMC's life any easier in Q4 2022 or Q2 2023, though.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-nvidia-slash-orders-to-tsmc

 

[mastertech01]

I offered someone on Ebay 600 for a mined 3090 non TI. Got auto declined... Oh well.

People are still asking 450 for a DOA

 

[beginner99]

I offered someone on Ebay 600 for a mined 3090 non TI. Got auto declined... Oh well.

People are still asking 450 for a DOA

in my local ebay type site 3090s go for around $750-800 while new they are basically unavailable or cost same as a 4080 ($1500).
3080s (and R 6800s) go around $550-600 while they are basically unavailable new and the few sometimes in stock are at least $850 minium.
there was a short windows 6750s were cheap but I missed it. 450. now up to 550. if available.

Anyway I do not see a slow down at all but an artificial shortage. 4000 and 7000 series supposedly expensive due to previous series oversupply? But I can't find any previous series cards new and if only at inflated prices. Hence used market is expensive as well. And here I read cancelled orders?sell the 4070 TI for $499 and they will be able to sell every last one of them without cancelling any wafers. But I guess bean counters made the math and it's better paying a penalty and inflating prices by limiting supply and keep margins than go for a volume.

With intel at least it's understandable as their product is pretty much DOA. AMD? I also see a lack of stock especially of 6800 and up. make the 7900XT(X) much cheaper like 699 and 599 and again they could sell all the cards they make.

There is no real downturn yet. Just greed and margins. And not limited to gpus but also cars and other stuff. They are using inflation and downturn as an excuse. Just look at NVs margins. GPUs did not get that much more expensive and they can easily sell a 4070 TI for $499 and make profit. same for AMD.

 

[mastertech01]

in my local ebay type site 3090s go for around $750-800 while new they are basically unavailable or cost same as a 4080 ($1500).
3080s (and R 6800s) go around $550-600 while they are basically unavailable new and the few sometimes in stock are at least $850 minium.
there was a short windows 6750s were cheap but I missed it. 450. now up to 550. if available.

Anyway I do not see a slow down at all but an artificial shortage. 4000 and 7000 series supposedly expensive due to previous series oversupply? But I can't find any previous series cards new and if only at inflated prices. Hence used market is expensive as well. And here I read cancelled orders?sell the 4070 TI for $499 and they will be able to sell every last one of them without cancelling any wafers. But I guess bean counters made the math and it's better paying a penalty and inflating prices by limiting supply and keep margins than go for a volume.

With intel at least it's understandable as their product is pretty much DOA. AMD? I also see a lack of stock especially of 6800 and up. make the 7900XT(X) much cheaper like 699 and 599 and again they could sell all the cards they make.

There is no real downturn yet. Just greed and margins. And not limited to gpus but also cars and other stuff. They are using inflation and downturn as an excuse. Just look at NVs margins. GPUs did not get that much more expensive and they can easily sell a 4070 TI for $499 and make profit. same for AMD.

That pretty much sums it up, which keeps me running my onboard UHD750 Intel processor video until further notice. It is adequate for my old games and more than adequate for daily use until the greedy get their fill. I can say this much for Intel, I get new video drivers about every month. They keep working on them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That pretty much sums it up, which keeps me running my onboard UHD750 Intel processor video until further notice. It is adequate for my old games and more than adequate for daily use until the greedy get their fill. I can say this much for Intel, I get new video drivers about every month. They keep working on them.

Why do you need a 3090?

 

[jpiniero]

Do you actually believe that these grossly high view accounting data points tell you a company wide accurate account of true costs and spending in the different markets?

I think what happened is that AMD kept Rembrandt prices high (to compensate for the bigger die size) and only gave in during Q3. Hence why the ASP dropped to flat and no more profitability since the costs are much higher. Whether they also cut Barcelo and other prices as well I suppose could have happened too.

When AMD designed Rembrandt, I think they expected N7/N6 prices to decline via depreciation to the point where Rembrandt would cost similar to Cezanne when it launched.

 

[mastertech01]

Why do you need a 3090?

I dont, I want one. I dont need a Lincoln either. If you are going to see a once in a lifetime GPU flood with cheap prices on a 3090, why settle for a 3050? But the flood never came.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I dont, I want one. I dont need a Lincoln either. If you are going to see a once in a lifetime GPU flood with cheap prices on a 3090, why settle for a 3050? But the flood never came.

Sadly the 2014 flood probably was once in a lifetime. I remember thinking I wanted a GTX 660 or an R9 270 that spring but by fall the R9 290 new with four games was cheaper than either of those low end cards were in the spring thanks to the massive selloff of used cards and AMD's overproduction. Even forced Nvidia to drop the GTX 970 to $330 at launch when the crap GTX 770 was $400 at launch.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Sadly the 2014 flood probably was once in a lifetime.

It will come. I strongly believe that. Just one popular game with default high res textures is all it will take to drop the value of previous gen low VRAM cards. Then sellers will be begging to take their card and no one will want one, just like few people want a 1050/1650/1060 3GB. They are basically useless in modern games for the majority of gamers. AMD 6700 and above owners will be more immune to the price crash.

 

[jpiniero]

Newegg ZOTAC RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO (ZT-D40900B-10P) Stock History | NowInStock.net

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Newegg's even been raising prices on 4090s. Although in this particular case, the Zotac model is 20 bucks more on what is now a $1719 GPU.

 

[Dannar26]

We taught businesses the worst possible lesson: "We'll pay big money for scarce goods." Businesses are generally smart -- much like any organism they want to survive and will do whatever it takes to do so. There are people whose entire jobs are ferreting out these market trends. Businesses are made up of small groups of people who can react and pivot much easier than the general public. They want the good times of 2020 to keep on keepin' on. They're not about to haphazardly flood the market and demolish their own profits.

We saw this with the 20 series. Everybody was like "wait, wait! You'll score a 1080TiWtfBBQ AiB model for nickels on the dollar, just you wait!" But Nvidia handled that situation (for themselves). They know how to manipulate prices and inventory in such a way as to extract as much bux from you as possible. Sure, it's "smart," but I also think they're rat bastards. I feel like the GPU scarcity model has flooded out towards other products as well.

I think the general public will wake up to this. No, it won't be a moment of reckoning where the gates of heaven open and burn away all leather-jacketed CEOs. But it'll be a slower gradual thing. People will slowly learn to do without. I think that will force retailers to come back to reality eventually. The problem is that the general public doesn't move in some sort of pre-meditated concerted way. Enough people need to get burned, and the general sentiment just needs to turn negative enough where people choose to opt out rather than put up with this nonsense.

Stop making excuses for the corpos. Supply chain issues, inflation, acts of God -- shove it. $1,000.00 GPUs shouldn't be the new normal. Doesn't matter if you can afford it -- it just shouldn't be a thing. Stop letting it happen. Stop telling your friends that nvidia is "better" because you would never buy anything less than a 4090 with your dual income no kids budget. Your buddy's kid can play minecraft on a Rx580, trust me.