Nvidia's worst nightmare is AIB's refusing to buy RTX 4000 GPU's from them unless and until they sell out their RTX 3000 inventory at a decent enough profit. Imagine warehouses getting filled with TSMC delivered RTX 4000 silicon and Jensen begging AIBs like a meek mouse, promising them crazy incentives and discounts.
In2Photos
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Except nVidia is going to withhold 3000 series from the AIBs so they won't have inventory.
AIBs have their current inventory of graphics cards that retailers aren't eager to buy off of them. Nvidia created this mess for themselves. Only thing to get the bowels moving and preventing stinky farts is some slick prices
Nvidia can do what they want. If the RX 6900XT hits $650 in the next month (new), I'll be buying. Maybe I'll be in the market for a new card in 2-3 generations after that.
I see 3 cards at that price right now. I'm not sure about XFX though after the shenanigans they pulled.
mastertech01
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The 6800XT was $575 recently. 6900XT will give me more time at 4K before upgrading again.
Problem I see with the 6800XT vs the 6900XT is best explained by these two TPU charts:
(from https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-radeon-rx-6950-xt-oc-formula/36.html, but the measurements might be from earlier reviews.)
so that's around 7% more performance but looks the the power usage spikes:
Unsure how much of that is silicon lottery but for 7% extra performance, those spikes scare me. I guess if you a well over-spec'ed PSU it doesn't matter much.
What I would be interested in, is someone with experience chiming in and being able to say "this is not a problem if you set a power profile in Wattman", but I'd want Wattman to be 100% reliable at that as a undervolted/power limited full Navi 21 should be better than the cut-down one in a 6800 XT.
GodisanAtheist
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Lawd Jebus telling people on Reddit that card prices should be coming down further in the next few weeks and don't jump on $350 3070's and $500 3080's is getting me crucified. Guess all the sellers are downvoting to keep a lid on price expectations
Oh well, what good is Karma if you don't spend it once in a while...
Oh well, what good is Karma if you don't spend it once in a while...
Lawd Jebus telling people on Reddit that card prices should be coming down further in the next few weeks and don't jump on $350 3070's and $500 3080's is getting me crucified. Guess all the sellers are downvoting to keep a lid on price expectations
Oh well, what good is Karma if you don't spend it once in a while...
I took apart my 2-card mining rig and sold my 6800 for $300 and 5700xt for 150. Only took me a day to do so, undercutting all the other local sellers and beating the flood of used cards by a couple of weeks. All those that still have their cards listed for much higher prices may have alot more competition in a few days.
GodisanAtheist
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-Yer doin' God's work son.
Have a bunch of "watched" cards that are basically at the new "new card" prices but used, been there for months. Sellers don't seem to want to accept prices are coming down.
Those sellers are going to have a rude awakening in a few weeks , I think.
I mined with 4 to 6 (depending on the time period) cards starting back in Feb of '21. I didn't have any illusions of getting rich, but with some fortunate cash-outs at the right times, I was able to pay off a couple of bills several months early, and bank-roll a nice vacation later this year, which was the end goal all along.
I mined with 4 to 6 (depending on the time period) cards starting back in Feb of '21. I didn't have any illusions of getting rich, but with some fortunate cash-outs at the right times, I was able to pay off a couple of bills several months early, and bank-roll a nice vacation later this year, which was the end goal all along.
bigboxes
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You're still going to hell, Larry. Nice try. 😁
VirtualLarry
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Eh, I'm standing over here.
Edit: With the EV revolution, Electric-powered cars are going to end up taking more electricity than miners ever did.
Gonna send everyone with a Tesla or Rivian to Hell too?
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RnR_au
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Interesting and unusual argument.
But its not your electricity usage that is going to convey you to a demonic realm. Its your gpu hoarding
VirtualLarry
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LOL. Some hoarding. I've got like 6-7 gaming rigs with dual GPUs, and a couple of multi-GPU servers. Trust me, the market didn't miss 10-12 GTX 1660 Super / Ti cards. I didn't rain on any gamer's day. I've used absolutely ZERO 3000-series cards for mining.But its not your electricity usage that is going to convey you to a demonic realm. Its your gpu hoarding
VirtualLarry
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Besides, Jesus encouraged Bitcoin (mining). He said to store up your riches in Heaven, where the moth consumeth not, nor the thief stealeth. He was talking about non-physical money, eg., crypto.
Aapje
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Nonsense. You alone kept at least 10 perfectly viable 1080p cards out of the hands of gamers.
VirtualLarry
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Reported for lying. I did not keep any cards out of the hands of anyone, I simply bought my own, at retail, like anyone else.
Edit: And some Commie loser votes you up? Unbelievable.
Do you have a job? You're stealing money from the homeless, give it all to them, they deserve it more! That's the argument that you're making.
We have this phrase in America... "First Come, First Serve".
The ones you SHOULD be getting angry at, are scalpers and bot-users. Not some guy that had the foresight to stock up on some cards before they were even scarce.
If "Gamers" are going without, then maybe, they should, like, get a job, and BUY A CARD LIKE THE REST OF US DO.
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GodisanAtheist
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Yeah let's not fall back into the Crypto Pogroms of 2020/2021 here.
Sometimes the line between joking and just being legitimately mean to other users gets blurred pretty badly around here.
Sometimes the line between joking and just being legitimately mean to other users gets blurred pretty badly around here.
Aapje
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@VirtualLarry
Now you are just making a fool of yourself. I never called you a thief, nor did I say that you did anything illegal. I didn't even call it immoral.
I merely stated the fact that if you and other miners hadn't bought up all these cards, they would have gone to gamers. Where else would they go?
And your entire story about how gamers couldn't buy cards because they don't have work is just totally ridiculous. It is a fact that there was no permanent stock for quite some while, which is a situation that doesn't penalize those with insufficient money, but those without the time/skill/bots to get a card in a drop. The highly inflated prices priced out people with a budget that would have been sufficient without miners driving up the prices (which is simple economics, higher demand + constrained supply = higher prices).
And there plenty of hardworking people in the world with limited budgets for entertainment, for a variety of reasons. There are also people without jobs that have a huge budget. The way you judge people based on their entertainment budget stinks and makes you look really, really bad in my eyes.
Now you are just making a fool of yourself. I never called you a thief, nor did I say that you did anything illegal. I didn't even call it immoral.
I merely stated the fact that if you and other miners hadn't bought up all these cards, they would have gone to gamers. Where else would they go?
And your entire story about how gamers couldn't buy cards because they don't have work is just totally ridiculous. It is a fact that there was no permanent stock for quite some while, which is a situation that doesn't penalize those with insufficient money, but those without the time/skill/bots to get a card in a drop. The highly inflated prices priced out people with a budget that would have been sufficient without miners driving up the prices (which is simple economics, higher demand + constrained supply = higher prices).
And there plenty of hardworking people in the world with limited budgets for entertainment, for a variety of reasons. There are also people without jobs that have a huge budget. The way you judge people based on their entertainment budget stinks and makes you look really, really bad in my eyes.
moonbogg
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The only reason prices haven't plummeted yet is because Larry refuses to let go of his literal container ship's cargo bay worth of 3080's. This is your chance to play God Larry by making it RAIN! During the Nvidia financial call, Jensen mentioned that 50% of 3080's were sold direct to a single, mysterious customer. He said the customer's name started with an "L" and ended with a "Y" but gave no further details.
VirtualLarry
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