I definitely agree on the overpriced label, but we do have to figure in inflation as well. Prices should be probably 40% more than they were 4 years ago, adjusted for inflation.......
Thunder 57
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Nah. CPU's certainly aren't 40% more than they were four years ago, because there is healthy competition. Nvidia is near monopoly status.
A 10900k was 206mm² on Intel's old 14nm and was a $500 part at launch in 2019. 13900k (and 14900k) are bigger 257mm² dies on 10nm and launched at $600. More like 20% more, and you get a bigger die on a newer node along with it. That definitely isn't how GPUs have played out.
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Inflation is not GPU specific. He said that the general rise in prices due to inflation (compared with 4 years ago) is about 40%.
Meaning prices of all products are higher because the money lost value.
Meaning prices of all products are higher because the money lost value.
Yeah, that's very region specific. If you want to use the US as reference though inflation from 2020 to 2024 has been right around 20% as well.
Heck, I just saw the A310 and the A380 on Newegg, both for $99. How much do you think they lose on each?
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The cost of production should be around 80 dollars, so with shipping & tariffs that is probably already very close to the sale price. So then the loss would pretty much be the margins that they would have to offer to the wholesaler and retailer. Hard to know how high those are, but them seem pretty small. Perhaps 5% wholesale and 10% retail? So $15 loss?
And that doesn't include R&D or other generic costs.
And that doesn't include R&D or other generic costs.
Are prices coming down any time soon? Probably not according to Jensen. Kudos to the guy on the GN twitter feed who caught this (27mins in or so if time code fails):
To quote Jensen: "We do this all the time in the PC industry. We add a $500 gpu. A geforce gpu to a $1000 PC and performance increases tremendously!" Then he goes on to make a $500million datacenter gpu reference.
To quote Jensen: "We do this all the time in the PC industry. We add a $500 gpu. A geforce gpu to a $1000 PC and performance increases tremendously!" Then he goes on to make a $500million datacenter gpu reference.
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I mean... when you add the thing that does the task you are looking to do, of course the performance increases tremendously because the alternative to not adding it is zero.
Heck, whose to say my $100 PSU isn't more bang for buck than Nvidia's $500 GPU because the performance of the Nvidia GPU increases tremendously with a PSU than without a PSU.
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Considering when this thread was made, the prices have come down massively. A GTX 1650 NIB was over $300 back then. Anything RTX or RDNA was insanely priced, unless you got through the EVGA queue or were picked in the Newegg shuffle. The shuffle usually forced you to buy something else on top of the card too.
Now we are back to the typical whinging of not being able to think in adjusted dollars. And picking apart bang for buck metics vs previous generations like a true Ferengi.
Now we are back to the typical whinging of not being able to think in adjusted dollars. And picking apart bang for buck metics vs previous generations like a true Ferengi.
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For better or worse, other hobbies have warped my sense of value when it comes to PC components and while I do still try to eek out value a couple hundred bucks to do it "right" is so much easier for me to justify now.
This is a relief in many ways
It makes me regret not sending you that GTX 980Ti :/ Maybe I am less cured than I thought
That said, waiting for the RDNA5 flagship cards vs whatever Nvidia is willing to ship at that point to reset prices for the "best of the best" to ~$2,500+ and all the pearl clutching that will incur. Looking at what folks are wiling to drop on motorcycles, jet skis, wood working tools and all the rest leads me to believe that both companies will explore how deep our pockets are and how big their per card margins can be.
Think of the shareholders! They owe it to them
I don't know about motorcycles and jet skis, but my father had a ShopSmith that was over 40 years old. Grandfather had one for metal work that was older. I don't see GPUs lasting that long although prices are getting closer.
blckgrffn
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Sure, and I have friends and acquaintances that are chasing the dragon and buying CNC machines, swapping out other tools, etc. etc. and all of that makes PC hobbies look ridiculously cheap. Is that Shopsmith the OG as purchased or has it basically been upgraded continuously in the meantime?
Some people use the same fishing poles and tackle for ages. Generations? And others are constantly getting custom rods made and refreshing their tackle, buying a new boat (lmao, so damn expensive) and you know who everyone wants as customers? Not the buy and hold folks, that's for sure!
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If it's a GigaByte PSU definitely more BANG than buck.I mean... when you add the thing that does the task you are looking to do, of course the performance increases tremendously because the alternative to not adding it is zero.
Heck, whose to say my $100 PSU isn't more bang for buck than Nvidia's $500 GPU because the performance of the Nvidia GPU increases tremendously with a PSU than without a PSU.
TSMC Thinking to Raise Prices, NVIDIA's Jensen Fully Supports the Idea
NVIDIA's CEO Jensen Huang said on June 5th that TSMC's stock price is too low, and he agrees with new TSMC chairman C. C. Wei's idea about TSMC's value. Jensen promised to support TSMC in charging more for their wafers and a type of packaging called CoWoS. An article from TrendForce says that...
TSMC thinking about raising prices again.
GG y'all
Nvidia Takes 88% of the GPU Market Share - Slashdot
As reported by Jon Peddie Research, Nvidia now holds 88% of the GPU market after its market share jumped 8% in its most recent quarter. "This jump shaves 7% off of AMD's share, putting it down to 19% total," reports XDA Developers. "And if you're wondering where that extra 1% went, it came from...
tech.slashdot.org
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GG y'all
Nvidia Takes 88% of the GPU Market Share - Slashdot
As reported by Jon Peddie Research, Nvidia now holds 88% of the GPU market after its market share jumped 8% in its most recent quarter. "This jump shaves 7% off of AMD's share, putting it down to 19% total," reports XDA Developers. "And if you're wondering where that extra 1% went, it came from...tech.slashdot.org
The complete disconnect between the reality of GPU sales, and all the rants on these forums about never buying GPUs from evil NVidia, and how they are turning customers against them, makes me chuckle.
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Aapje
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That's not what the person you quoted said at all. You are putting words in people's mouths.
Heartbreaker
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I'm responding only to the content of the link showing 88% market share, and the general ranting anti-NVidia tone of this forum.
Aapje
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There being an anti-Nvidia sentiment is not the same as people not wanting to buy their products. In fact, feeling forced to buy products that feel like a rip-off seems like a perfectly good situation to get angry about.
Heart breaking? Stockholm Syndrome or Battered wives syndrome?
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