Are Toyota cars really soul less?

[chuckywang]

What about the Supra?

 

[chambersc]

There is no such thing as a soul.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: mrzed
And here I thought all you car people were into 1/4 mile times and 19" rims etc to make up for the size of your penis.

Turns out it's all about your soul? I am deeply sorry, I had you all wrong. Far from worrying about earthly concerns, you are avoiding Corollas because they would risk your eternal souls, suck out your spirit, and render you vulnerable to Satan.

LOL. Very good. I would take a Civic over a Corolla, however.

 

[BooGiMaN]

i love my Tundra, i have the soul absorbing option on it

any cat dog or woodland creature i "accidently" smoosh with it big tires gets it soul absorbed into the frame....gives me +1 to 5 mph depending on the creature

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: chambersc
There is no such thing as a soul.

Prove it.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Strk
Yes, but most people just want a reliable commuter car, so it doesn't really matter.

who the hell would want just that?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: uhohs
cars don't have souls.

people just make up crap to make themselves feel better.

A Toyota will do every important thing that a person expects out of a car and do it better than any other car on the market.

Define soul.

Not really. It just has mass appeal, just like Dell does, or Wal-Mart does. That does not mean it is better necessarily, although they do make good cars.

Walmart has mass appeal cause its cheaper. Toyota has mass appeal because they have a long track record of building dependable cars. Very big difference.

I agree, but it appeals to the masses. Wal-Mart does not have the sort of image that Toyota has. It is comparable to Dell however since Dell has long been viewed as a more reliable alternative to Compaq, HP, Gateway etc. Its pricing does not hurt either. There are other car manufacturers that build reliable cars too, but they do not have the mass appeal that Toyota has.

It's certainly not "cool" to shop at Walmart and rap singers will never sing about their Toyota rollin' on dubs.

However, they all listen to what consumers actually want rather than trying to be the flashiest, trendiest, etc.

And for everyone that says "OMG, all Honda has to do is release a Civic Type R w/the S2000 engine and Ford has to put a V8 and RWD on the Fusion and they'll sell like hotcakes. OMFG!" remember that Toyota gets its monster sales numbers without a single sports car or convertible, and only boring, utilitarian sedans.

Thats only a recent development. There's the MR2, the Celica, and even the Solara, which comes in a convertible. If you count Scion, there's the tC. There's also the Supra of times past.

That was back when all companies had a sports car. I think you said it best: "times past."

The transition of Toyota from Celica to tC best defines just how in touch they really are with the market.

The Celica is comparatively
*light
*high-revving, peaky

The tC is comparatively
*heavy
*torquey

eg better around town, rather than being better along a long, twisty road

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
What about the Supra?

Sweet, they still make those?

 

[Kilgor]

People that drive Corollas might be soul less, but most of the people I see driving Civics are brainless.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Queasy
The South Park episode, Best Friends Forever, confirmed that the Japanese do not have souls. Toyota cars are made by a Japanese company. Therefore, Toyota cars do not have souls.

And since the Japanese and Germans were allies during WWII it must follow that Germans do not have souls either. German cars are made by Germans. Therefore, German cars do not have souls.

Naw, Germans have souls, they're just evil. Having owned an older BMW, I can confirm that the car has a soul, and it's evil. Great to drive..while it runs:laugh:

My MR2 is also fun to drive, has a soul, and is RELIABLE.

Toyota has made many vehicles with souls...the old Land Cruisers, the indestructible Toyota pickups, the Celica, MR2, Supra...and even the Corolla back when it was RWD.

I think Vic said it best:

Originally posted by: Vic
Don't forget quirky. A car with soul must have a distinct personality, so that its owner is the only person who really knows how to drive it right.

Modern Toyotas are built so that ANYONE can drive them right. Hence, no quirks, no soul, and no personality.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
That was back when all companies had a sports car. I think you said it best: "times past."

The transition of Toyota from Celica to tC best defines just how in touch they really are with the market.

The Celica is comparatively
*light
*high-revving, peaky

The tC is comparatively
*heavy
*torquey

eg better around town, rather than being better along a long, twisty road

I can't entirely agree with this. The Celicas of the RWD glory days may have been (relatively) light, but they did have the wonderfully torquey 20R, 22R, and 22R-E engines in them.
If the tC was RWD instead of FWD, I'd say it was the rebirth of the '84 GT-S.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
That was back when all companies had a sports car. I think you said it best: "times past."

The transition of Toyota from Celica to tC best defines just how in touch they really are with the market.

The Celica is comparatively
*light
*high-revving, peaky

The tC is comparatively
*heavy
*torquey

eg better around town, rather than being better along a long, twisty road

I can't entirely agree with this. The Celicas of the RWD glory days may have been (relatively) light, but they did have the wonderfully torquey 20R, 22R, and 22R-E engines in them.
If the tC was RWD instead of FWD, I'd say it was the rebirth of the '84 GT-S.

That's a pretty big if...not to mention that it would still be overweight

[Edit] All this isn't to say that it's a bad car. It's a wonderful car...for commuters and plodding around the city. Whereas the Celica was a wonderful car to take through the canyons

 

[randay]

As long as the tires are rolling the engine is using gas.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: b0mbrman
That was back when all companies had a sports car. I think you said it best: "times past."

The transition of Toyota from Celica to tC best defines just how in touch they really are with the market.

The Celica is comparatively
*light
*high-revving, peaky

The tC is comparatively
*heavy
*torquey

eg better around town, rather than being better along a long, twisty road

I can't entirely agree with this. The Celicas of the RWD glory days may have been (relatively) light, but they did have the wonderfully torquey 20R, 22R, and 22R-E engines in them.
If the tC was RWD instead of FWD, I'd say it was the rebirth of the '84 GT-S.

That's a pretty big if...not to mention that it would still be overweight

[Edit] All this isn't to say that it's a bad car. It's a wonderful car...for commuters and plodding around the city. Whereas the Celica was a wonderful car to take through the canyons

I can most definitely assure you that the latest gen celica is fun to take through twisty roads. You really gotta work to get the most out of the engine, and the transmission is a bit irritating, but the steering/suspension is definitely ahead of it's class. I've only broke the tires loose and understeered once, and that was when I was really going all out. Too bad theres not too many twisties around here.

If soul is defined by quirky, than it certainly has it. The clutch and shifter require absolute precision or it fights with you. With summer tires, the steering response is so dead on that it's immediate, point and shoot. The brakes are strong enough to plant your face in the windshield if you get a little too happy with them. I've avoided many an accident in this car that I otherwise wouldn't have, because it's so quick to react.

I wish it had more low end torque, but don't we always.

Although now that that car is gone, can't say they have any real soulful (as in fun to drive) cars. Gonna have to look to lexus for that.

Although I'm pretty sure supra is coming back, and there are rumors of a dual hybrid AWD coupe, which may or may not be called a celica.

 

[bigfil]

the 77 celica with the 2TG motor was nice back in the day
good luck on finding one in decent condition now

my bro had one and it had some get up and go
just needed a few mods to be a sleeper vehicle

it did have a soul until it passed away

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: BD2003

I can most definitely assure you that the latest gen celica is fun to take through twisty roads.

That's exactly what I said

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Kilgor
People that drive Corollas might be soul less, but most of the people I see driving Civics are brainless.

You mean the sedan drivers or the coupe drivers? The ones from pre-2000 or post-2000?

 

[funboy6942]

Not the older ones. I owned several 78 and 79 Toyota Supras with the stright 6 5 speeds and were speed demons. Cherp the tirs all the way till 4th and if you knew how to drive it and kepep the revs up would out run alot of cars. The newer ones (Had a 84) that was gutless and weighed a ton with the non turbo straight 6. I pushed Cadalics that weighed less then that thing did.

Very fun FAST car and handled like a wet dream was my 77 Nissan/Datsun 280Z straight 6, removed the injection and installed 3 2bl Weber carbs, split axle rear end. I miss that car sooooooo much out of all I have ever owned and was an idiot for ever trading that one in on a hyundai

77 280Z

 

[Kilgor]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Kilgor
People that drive Corollas might be soul less, but most of the people I see driving Civics are brainless.

You mean the sedan drivers or the coupe drivers? The ones from pre-2000 or post-2000?

Mostly post-2000 coupes but there are some sedans thrown in.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: BD2003

I can most definitely assure you that the latest gen celica is fun to take through twisty roads.

That's exactly what I said

I know, I was agreeing with you.